May 27th, 2009, 03:45 PM | #41 |
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more education would have prevented this... that goes for most issues.
trust your bike, look where you want to go, and make that turn! it'll do way more than you think it will if you can keep your inputs from screwing it up.
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May 27th, 2009, 06:41 PM | #42 |
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Seems that way to me... Plus, at 1:03 he rides right over a steel grate that was plenty avoidable and then some sand at 2:47... Isn't that a cardinal sin (not to mention a decent indicator of things to come)?
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May 27th, 2009, 08:34 PM | #43 |
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I don't mind either of those things. He was going quite slowly over both. In the first case he was on the right side of the lane while his buddy was on the left (in front though, in staggered formation). The grate wasn't a large enough obstacle to warrant a swerve. I saw a small bit of sand at 2:47, but it was minor and the corner speed was so slow that it shouldn't upset anything, and it didn't. Sand and gravel don't mean instant crashing, but sometimes an overreaction to them (swerving and/or braking) can put people on the ground unnecessarily. If lean angles aren't too great and speeds aren't too high, just rolling over them with everything relaxed is almost always a non-event. Now oil or black ice are a whole different story, and need to be treated with a whole different level of care.
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May 27th, 2009, 09:03 PM | #44 | |
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May 30th, 2009, 07:55 AM | #45 | |
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He couldve executed that turn.. well the ninjette couldve. I cant get over all of that seat sliding while Vblogging. He was focused more on making a video than operating a motor vehicle yet hes portraying an agressive rider. I hope this concept doesnt make it to the DOT. Next they'll be trying to ban video recording while operating a motor vehicle.
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May 30th, 2009, 09:46 AM | #46 |
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AHAHAHA damn. Idk what to say on this. IMO it's nice to see a little humor as he plays sad music at the end of his vid.
I think they/he should: 1) not record videos and talk to themselves and the camera while they ride 2) learn to look ahead 3) learn how to ride with better lines.. he was on the way outside of the previous turn before he crashed on the next turn.. he had no road to ride the counter turn once it came up 4) wear full gear, all of them in all honestly, this reminds me of when I first crashed, almost similar to mine minus the video taking and talking. you live and learn |
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May 30th, 2009, 10:03 PM | #47 |
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it's weird.....
seeing this video today cuz same thing happened to me today on sunrise hwy/hwy 79 on our last 15 mph twisty tight left turn (my 1st crash and hopefully the last)......here's what I did wrong:
1. Took the turn at 35 mph since I did it in the first 3, 15 mph tight turn and did just fine, except this time, I took my eyes off the double yellow line (which I usually use as my basis when I'm cornering to my left so I stay on course while leaning).....I don't do what the guy in the video do like hanging by butt off the bike....I lean with the bike and my head is pointed towards where I'm going....hanging the butt off the bike is unnecessary for the speed and lean he was doing....I can lean the bike just with me leaning with it.... 2. I got distracted by oncoming cars and I took my eyes off my target... 3. went a little wide and hit some gravel, tried to save it but hit a big sized rock and me and red went wobbling and low-sided... 4. Just wearing a pair of jeans so I have a big road rash on my knee and few bruises and swollen lower left leg....and I even went looking for a pair of leather pants with knee protections yesterday...but the store didn't have my size....what a coincidence this happened to me today....."premonition"? WHAT I DID RIGHT: 1. I had on motorcycle textile jacket with elbow, shoulder, and back protectors. 2. I had on motorcycle over the ankle boots.....my ankle probably wouldve been scraped off too if not for the boots I was wearing.... 3. I was riding my ride and didn't try to keep up with my group and just rode the twisties the way I've been comfortable with.... 4. we stopped at the next store we saw and grabbed some peroxide, band-aide, sports wrap and neosporin...my friends cleaned up my knee and pour some peroxide and covered it up....OUCH.....that was painful.... TARGET FIXATION is really important when cornering....I somehow get distracted a lot when I'm cornering to my left.....Cornering to my right is easy for me cause I always use the white line as a basis going to my right and it never failed me and I can lean red with ease even on a blind right corner.... Well I'm ok...I didn't hit anything from my upper thigh and up...no scratches on my helmet or jacket...my next investment is on some good leather pants with knee and hip protection...... And I need to check myself since I've been riding tight twisties and I get more and more comfortable everytime and leaning lower and going faster cornering even on blind corners.....I'm starting to get complacent and that's a big no-no for a newb like me......we learn from our mistakes... I still rode red for next 2-3 hours after I went down....red needs some body work....ordered new gearshifter..mine was bent over backwards and few riders at the scene put it back in place but it's hard to shift it now... |
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May 31st, 2009, 07:48 AM | #48 |
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Glad to hear your ok Alex. Its good youve gone over it pretty well in ur head. Pat pretty much summed it up "Live and Learn". I bet you were much more focused on turns after you went down Sorry about lil' Red. What kinda jacket were you wearing?
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May 31st, 2009, 08:52 AM | #49 | |
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May 31st, 2009, 08:54 AM | #50 |
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June 1st, 2009, 10:57 AM | #51 |
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Thats a nice pic , I was thinking to hit the 94 but was gloomy and drizzling, looks like it was sunny more inland. You will heal fast and be on red again soon, Ill try and keep up with you on Hiryu
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June 1st, 2009, 01:27 PM | #52 |
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It was actually nice and sunny up in the canyons...I found out exactly where I went down---Cuyamaca.....well, hopefully we all get to ride together once my knee heals....there's another girl on meetup group (Karen) who's new and wants to start riding with 250 riders in SD...she said she doesn't want to do corners yet....which is fine for me...I need a break from twisties after my spill...
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June 2nd, 2009, 05:49 AM | #54 | |
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June 12th, 2009, 05:15 AM | #55 |
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June 12th, 2009, 05:52 AM | #56 |
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June 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM | #57 |
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question on body postioning.
when you lean are you supposed to keep your butt on the bike or off the bike? i've been watching videos on body positioning on youtube and from what I understand you need to slide your butt off the seat, lower your shoulder, elbow and head and look in the direction you're turning. is this right? can someone educate me on this? thanks, tin |
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June 18th, 2009, 07:52 PM | #58 |
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someone on here should make a video on body positioning, cornering and braking so we (newbies) don't make the same mistake.
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June 18th, 2009, 07:56 PM | #59 | |
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July 7th, 2009, 02:45 PM | #60 |
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I'm glad the guy is alright!
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July 7th, 2009, 02:53 PM | #61 |
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July 8th, 2009, 01:08 AM | #62 | |
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July 9th, 2009, 08:11 PM | #64 |
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rather ironic how the first V-log mentioned how much dirt was on the side of the road and how ugly it would be to come off around there~ just minutes before the other guy came off the bike.
and then the dood that fell, as others mentioned already did way too much butt sliding it kinda looked goofy cos they weren't even going that fast, well at least it didn't seem like they were... couldn't have been much over 60~80 Kmh imo. another ironic comment was how he said that it was so hot, and he was impressed that the two guys in front of him were wearing a full suit, it would have saved him that nasty gash on the knee... hope it didn't cause lasting injuries. this is always something i fear when i get into a tight situation, but over here its usually the insane traffic that is the dangerous part, not beautiful winding country roads. i would love to have a road like that to ride on the week ends, etc. oh, and that guy with the GSXR 1000 was probably really glad he didn't swap bikes at the gas station i would be furious if someone trashed my bike, and on the other hand, i would feel terrible if i crashed a friends bike! |
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July 12th, 2009, 06:04 AM | #65 |
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Looks like he didn't even see that left turn comming. Plus. I have no Idea why he was hanging so far of the bike in every turn. Looked like a total noob wishing he were on a track. his bike was mostly upright the entire time. he hardly ever leaned it. Maybe if he had been looking through the turns he could have done better.
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July 29th, 2009, 02:26 AM | #66 |
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Check out "rebelyell91" and "zmagic97" on youtube. They are vloggers who both ride 250s
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August 16th, 2009, 03:11 AM | #67 |
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Referring to the first vid:
It looks like a simple case of ignorance in counter-steering. I don't think he uses counter steering at all. He was shifting his weight not to decrease the lean as per racing, but to facilitate and increase it. Basically, he was using his weight to lean the bike with, not counter-steering, and he could do it only so much. The curve was simply too sharp for that speed without counter-steering. I don't think it was target fixation. He simply could not achieve the lean required to make that curve. And if he could not make that curve with a Ninja 250 weighing 330 lb, it would be worse for a heavier bike. Were he on a 550 lb Harley, using only body-weigh transfer and without counter steering, he would hardly be able to lean the bike at all at any speed higher than a crawl, where the gyro effect would tend to keep the bike upright and going straight. In a group ride on twisties dictating a speed he cannot handle, he is bound to crash at the first half-decent curve. Therefore, I am willing to wager that this was his first ever group ride on any route curvier than a straight road. IMHO, there is no technique in motorcycle riding more important than counter-steering. |
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August 17th, 2009, 08:46 PM | #68 |
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^Thats true, what I think is the most disturbing, is just how many riders are out there that are completely unaware of countersteering.
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August 26th, 2009, 07:27 AM | #70 |
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I know what you mean Buffalony. I didn't know what they were talking about at first either. I pictured the front wheel of the motorcycle moving sideways along its axis or something. They never say that it is just how you "INITIATE" the turn. Anyone who grew who riding a bicycle know that. Who knew it needed a name?
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June 12th, 2012, 07:34 AM | #71 |
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OMG, look how cheap gas is!!!!
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Thread necrrrrrroooooo.
Youtube vlogger itsreload (the guy who crashed in the first video) now rides an R6. |
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June 12th, 2012, 09:59 PM | #73 |
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June 13th, 2012, 03:28 AM | #74 | |
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June 13th, 2012, 09:10 AM | #75 |
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OMG 5:38 looks sooo painful check his knee out start at 5:37
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