Speedometer cable help!

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Oops! I meant the cdi! Not sensor

Ah. Its attached to the undertail between the rider and passenger seats. You need to remove the tail fairings to access it.

FWIW, I just checked and the wiring diagram shows three wires going to the tach, which I assume is positive, negative, and RPM signal. If you connected it to the wrong one (positive or negative) and sent voltage through it directly when it is sensitive enough to detect a pulse without a direct connection, you might have fried it.

I hope it's just that you still need to connect to the right one.

[skilletmo]

okokok slow down there buddy, lol

When i connected which wires? and if i did what do i do? new fuse or am i ****ed? how can i test it, can i just plug in my old speedo and check if it works?

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

okokok slow down there buddy, lol

When i connected which wires?

Post 23. You said you connected it to the RPM/Tach wire there but later on said you hadn't tried that (post 36). I looked at the wiring diagram and there are three wires to the tach: pos, neg, and signal. It needs to connect to the signal one. I just want to make sure you connected the right ones. The fact that it wasn't picking up off the spark plug wire after you directly connected it to whatever you connected it to before is what concerns me.

Originally Posted by skilletmo

and if i did what do i do? new fuse or am i ****ed?

I wouldn't know if your aftermarket gauge has a fuse or something for that. Might need to take it apart to see, but we need to make sure it's connected right before assuming that it is damaged. Let's make sure to find the right wire and connect it.

Originally Posted by skilletmo

how can i test it, can i just plug in my old speedo and check if it works?

That won't tell us if the new gauge's tach/RPM reading function was damaged. I'm sure your original is just fine. It wasn't even connected, right?

[skilletmo]

Ok so the rpm wire on my gauge is Black/Yellow, i connected that one to the wire that is connected to the rpm wire from 9 pin connector attached to the harness (solid black). That is what i meant.

I am thinking that the gauge rpm wire is not connected but i checked in the back and it is to the looks of it... I can open it up and check but i first want to try connecting it directly to the cdi first. I found it and i see that there is a harness connected to it. should i pick the same black wire (rpm) and open it up a little from the middle of the line and connect the wire that i bought from lowes? is that how you do it?

[CZroe]

Hmm. I don't know if the Clymer wiring diagram I have uses the actual colors, but the Black/Yellow is ground and the Black is RPM. They show it as black all the way from the CDI to the gauge, even where it splits off to the ignition coils and where it passes through the connector and connects to the gauge.

Yeah, that's probably how I'd do it except I'd use a tap splice just for cleanliness.

[skilletmo]

well then im **** outta luck, nothing is working...

i think im just going to return it... **** this, i wanna ride and this is stooping me from doing that. I wish there were like professionals who do this stuff in the area

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

well then im **** outta luck, nothing is working...

i think im just going to return it... **** this, i wanna ride and this is stooping me from doing that. I wish there were like professionals who do this stuff in the area

try tapping it into the first cylinder coil like the picture you posted. The black wire going to that coil should be the same black wire coming from the stock tach

[skilletmo]

from the picture i found on the other forum? or which one?

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Like this? i saw this in another forum but im not sure

this one from the other forum. they just tapped into the wire from the coil

[skilletmo]

Ya i tried opening it up but it seems like its sealed up, how would i open the plug up to find that piece?

Im going to go now and try it one more time

[skilletmo]

I drew something to show you, but i have bad painting lol. This will show what i did, even though i feel like that's just doing what i did from the beginning by connecting the black wire from the 9 pin to the gauge... I think i need to get it directly from the plug, which i don't know how to do cause it looks like the plugs are sealed.

Edit: when im tapping into the wire im cutting it very lightly so i don't cut the whole thing and place the new wire on top of it and connecting the other end to the gauge, im sure it doesn't matter how much contact it gets, i mean even if it was a little i think the rpm needle would move a little at least. Just wanted to let yall know

[skilletmo]

Theres a red one under it, should i try that one or is that just the power?

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Theres a red one under it, should i try that one or is that just the power?

think it is the power. i wouldnt do it. If it didnt work with the black idk then. does the rpm needle still move when the key is on?

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by EMSRacer07

think it is the power. i wouldnt do it. If it didnt work with the black idk then. does the rpm needle still move when the key is on?

yes it moves when i start the bike, goes up then down. then stays at 0...

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

yes it moves when i start the bike, goes up then down. then stays at 0...

everything else works? speedo, clock, lights, etc? hmm weird that it isnt working. Did you try contacting the guy from ebay?

[skilletmo]

Everything is working, everything...

I did he usually emails back at night cause hes in china. But he will answer Monday night cause on the weekend they are closed. So i will update this tomorrow night and we'll see what happens. Ill deffenitly let yall know. If he cant give me a straight answer then im going to have to return it... sigh

[CZroe]

Sorry to hear about your problems. I wanted to order one of those gauges too.

For what it's worth, the tach on the gauge is supposed to go all the way up at drop when first powered up as a sort of self-test. It should do it even with no RPM wire connected. Hopefully they have an answer for you.

[skilletmo]

Ya i was just letting yall know that its not the actual gauge, it has to be me connecting it wrong or something. I contacted a local guy on CL who fixes bikes on free time, so he is going to come check it out and see if he knows anything... still will have to pay like 30-40 bucks if it works out :/ but if it does then whatev, i just want to ride again!

But ya ill keep you updated!

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Ya i was just letting yall know that its not the actual gauge, it has to be me connecting it wrong or something. I contacted a local guy on CL who fixes bikes on free time, so he is going to come check it out and see if he knows anything... still will have to pay like 30-40 bucks if it works out :/ but if it does then whatev, i just want to ride again!

But ya ill keep you updated!

Yeah i been wanting to get one for my pregen so hope things work out for you.
Maybe just a mix up with the wires.

Have you got the speedo working correctly? or you havent had the bike going since the install? Curious on how you would have to calibrate it.

[skilletmo]

Its already calibrated when you tell them the wheel size, its all digital, he set it up for me. the speedo works fine i tested it by gooing around 10 mph since nothing was mounted. Just the rpm, Been talking to the CL mechanic and he sounds like he knows what hes doing so we'll see tomorrow hopefully!

[EMSRacer07]

any updates?

[skilletmo]

I went out and bought a voltage tester for like 5 bucks and i tested the gauge itself and the rpm port works perfectly, therefor it is not the gauge thats bad. I also tested if power was going through to the wire that i connected from the ecu to the harness and power was going through there too. So what im thinking is that i might possibly be needing to find the right signal wire to connect to? It should be solid black right? for the rpm?

[EMSRacer07]

guy ever get back to you about where to actually put it or help on the situation? And yeah pretty sure its the black wire. hmm maybe its the wire your using. You said you got a wire from lowels or someplace. Maybe its the wrong type of wire?

[skilletmo]

I am emailing him tonight, he was on "vacation" he said. But he told me he should be back today so tonight he will answer hopefully. Hopefully its just the wrong wire that he is telling me for the rpm or something. By the way literally everything is perfectly working except the rpm, so i can ride it but the rpm wont show so i only ride it to close locations until i get the rpms figures out. Other then that the speed is pretty accurate and everything works.

[alex.s]

how to fix speedometer cable issues: buy ninja 300.

[skilletmo]

what? lol

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

what? lol

he is just being silly. How are you confirming the accurate speedo? gps?

and yeah it has to be the wrong wire for the tach

[skilletmo]

No although i could easily do that if i wanted to since i have one, but i made my gf go in the car and drive 40 beside me in an empty road and i was about 2 mph off nothing big. Its more accurate then the stock gauges lol

[skilletmo]

And i didn't make her, im not an control freak. lol just fyi hhaha

[skilletmo]

OK this is what he said, the seller from china:

"hi,friend
There are two cables with magneto, one cable is for signal activing, another cable is for work start signal. You can connect it to make the RPM to move.
Best wishes!
Ron"

Can anyone translate broke English? lol If anyone knows what he is talking about let me know!

thanks

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

OK this is what he said, the seller from china:

"hi,friend
There are two cables with magneto, one cable is for signal activing, another cable is for work start signal. You can connect it to make the RPM to move.
Best wishes!
Ron"

Can anyone translate broke English? lol If anyone knows what he is talking about let me know!

thanks

I think he's saying that there is a different connection on your gauge, one for picking up the signal without a direct connection (wrapping the wire) and one for directly tapping/connecting to it.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by CZroe

I think he's saying that there is a different connection on your gauge, one for picking up the signal without a direct connection (wrapping the wire) and one for directly tapping/connecting to it.

Ok so how do i do this, im not udnerstanding very well. I wrap a wire around the plug like how i did earlier then tap that wire to the Rpm signal wire (black) then connect the black wire to the gauge?

Drew a picture lol, although i think i already tried that.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Ok so how do i do this, im not udnerstanding very well. I wrap a wire around the plug like how i did earlier then tap that wire to the Rpm signal wire (black) then connect the black wire to the gauge?

Drew a picture lol, although i think i already tried that.

No, you use one or the other. Unlike the Koso gauge, I think he's saying that there is a different connection on the gauge to use depending on which method you choose to use. Your diagram shows them connecting to the gauge through the same connection.

[CZroe]

Alternatively, he may be saying that the gauge needs to know that the engine is on with a different connection ("work start signal").

I'm lost too, but that's what it sounds like he's saying.

[skilletmo]

I wish he knew english so I would get this over with, im going to ask him what he means but I have to wait till tonight....

So what can I try in the meantime? There are supposed to be 2 diffrent wires im plugging into the gauge for rpms? One that is wrapped around the plug and the black signal wire are supposed to connect to the gauge seperatly?

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

I wish he knew english so I would get this over with, im going to ask him what he means but I have to wait till tonight....

So what can I try in the meantime? There are supposed to be 2 diffrent wires im plugging into the gauge for rpms? One that is wrapped around the plug and the black signal wire are supposed to connect to the gauge seperatly?

No. If that's what he's saying then you pick one or the other and only use the connection you pick for the method you pick.

On the Koso gauge, it didn't matter which method you picked: you connected them to the same connection on the gauge. In this kit, it sounds like he might be saying that there are two connections on the gauge and that you connect to one or the other depending on the method you chose. The other connection would remain unused.

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

I wish he knew english so I would get this over with, im going to ask him what he means but I have to wait till tonight....

So what can I try in the meantime? There are supposed to be 2 diffrent wires im plugging into the gauge for rpms? One that is wrapped around the plug and the black signal wire are supposed to connect to the gauge seperatly?

Maybe for the newgen the black wire isnt the signal wire? Did you wrapping or taping in the other wire on the coil?

If anything i would ask him to draw a picture. Might help or if he has pics of an install

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by EMSRacer07

Maybe for the newgen the black wire isnt the signal wire? Did you wrapping or taping in the other wire on the coil?

If anything i would ask him to draw a picture. Might help or if he has pics of an install

It looks black in my Clymer manual's wiring diagram for the J-series newgen.

[EMSRacer07]

Again ill say this, might be irrelevant, do you know if that wire you got from lowes is the right stuff? Idk i always hear to be very specific on automotive wires for things like this. Especially dont want to get different thickness of wires or different type of wires.

[EMSRacer07]

Originally Posted by CZroe

It looks black in my Clymer manual's wiring diagram for the J-series newgen.

Yeah it looks black to me too...... even the pregen signal wire is black. Hmm