Trackday Cancelled.... - Page 2

KazMan · June 7th, 2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Thinking............................

anyone else smell burning clutch smell

rojoracing53 · June 7th, 2013, 03:32 PM

So here are the numbers from turn 5

I'm recording from my braking marker on the 250 which is the #1 marker, to the red painted apex marker, to the start of the blue paint on the exiting rumble strip.

first the 250
Brake Point: 3:57:06
Apex Point: 3:59:46
Exit Point: 4:02:83

So first Half is 2.40
Second Half is 3.37
Total is 5.77

Now the 636
Brake Point: 9:55:75
Apex Point: 9:58:08
Exit Point: 10:01:16

So first Half is 2.33
Second Half is 3.08
Total is 5.41

Result is the 636 is 0.36sec faster "THROUGH" turn 5 and I'm still 9 seconds a lap slower then what I normally could do on a 600. Also of those 9 seconds at least 60% would be in the turns so 60% of 9 is 5.4seconds then you divide 5.4 by the # of actual turns 10 so that's .54 seconds per turn. Now you add the 0.54 to the original difference of 0.36 and you get 0.9seconds.

Now I'm not being entirely fair since I'm comparing my full blow racing R6 times to my totally street 250. I think in race trim I could shave off another 2-3 seconds but that only brings the difference between the two bike down to 0.6 seconds per turn.

So a 600SS is 0.25 seconds better on the brakes to the apex and 0.35 seconds faster through the turn.

Now go take a break away from your computer because I think your brain may be over heating

CC Cowboy · June 7th, 2013, 04:08 PM

I'm totally bummed out. I now hear the 250 isn't the fastest in the corners. My ego is deflated, my self esteem wiped out, my enthusiasm squashed beyond repair. How could this be?

At least now when I go to the track on a 1000 I don't have to fear the 250. Not even in corners. I will press on, I will out brake and pass those little 1/4 liters in the corners and power out of turns like the big boys.

abhijitz · June 7th, 2013, 04:44 PM

So your actual question is if you are ready to do NRS ?

i asked the same question before doing my NRS. You would really have to ride amongst some good 250 riders & instructors to gauge where you are at. Passing a slow 600 or parker litre bike in a corner, will give you the satisfaction but down the line you are not achieving anything.

Passing NRS is easy. Doesnt matter which group you ride in, A or B. The instructor looks for consistency in your lines, abilities to pass slower riders and turn-in. The classroom session are boring yet a good learning. End of the day test is very simple. The only other requirement is "You should not crash the entire day or performing starts"

Over a year i learnt racing is not just going fast. You can be fast yet crash out in the last lap. I did that, lost 2 1st positions. A lot of environment scan is going on and veterans and skilled racers learn others moves and take actions based on that.

IMO, you should get more tracktime before attempting NRS. 2:17 at Sonoma is bit slow. If you are riding with Z2 get hold of Eric or Mark who are the top 250 racers & instructors.

Racing is fun, yet expensive & risky. In all order you need to ensure you are getting the most benifit out of it.

KazMan · June 8th, 2013, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhijitz

If you are riding with Z2 get hold of Eric or Mark who are the top 250 racers & instructors.

Racing is fun, yet expensive & risky. In all order you need to ensure you are getting the most benifit out of it.

We (Z2 Trackdays) also have Kirk Korenko on staff as an instructor as well as Lisa Kinberger.

So we are very 250 friendly

abhijitz · June 9th, 2013, 11:50 AM

Kirk with Z2 team? Wow !! ... I think i need to re-think of my season pass decisions

Quote:

Originally Posted by KazMan

We (Z2 Trackdays) also have Kirk Korenko on staff as an instructor as well as Lisa Kinberger.

So we are very 250 friendly

KazMan · June 9th, 2013, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhijitz

Kirk with Z2 team? Wow !! ... I think i need to re-think of my season pass decisions

Yes, you absolutely do. 3 of the top 4 in class as instructors.....

WesleySnipes · June 11th, 2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

So I got a call yesterday from Pacific Track Time that they were cancelling the Tuesday trackday. Super ****ing lame. They said they would give me a credit +$20 towards a future trackday instead of reimbursing my credit card. I was about to go put a dispute through paypal to get my money back but then decided to look at their schedule. One of the days I'd be able to go is to NRS for AFM

Is the NRS difficult to pass? It would be ****ing badass to get a race license and I'd likely sign up for a couple races next year when I'm a little faster (the goal would be to not come in last

) The NRS class would be 1 week after my 2 day track school at Laguna Seca with Keigwins so hopefully I'd have quite a bit of improvement in my riding.

Should I go for it or sign up for a boring old regular trackday later in the year?

If it is the same one that is on 7/24 I will be there getting my NRS! GO DO IT! IT WILL BE AWESOME!

Jiggles · June 11th, 2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WesleySnipes

If it is the same one that is on 7/24 I will be there getting my NRS! GO DO IT! IT WILL BE AWESOME!

Nope, August 14th or something, you should reschedule!

Trailerboy531 · June 11th, 2013, 10:22 PM

When you do pass the class don't pay for your license until you plan on using it. It only lasts a year so you might as well get the most out of your membership fee. You're eligible for a year I think after you pass the NRS.

WesleySnipes · June 11th, 2013, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Nope, August 14th or something, you should reschedule!

I would man but I'm shooting for August 3rd and 4th as my first race

if I slack and end up not being able to sign up for 7/24 I will totally sign up for AUGUST!

Trailerboy531 · June 11th, 2013, 10:59 PM

Wesley get some experience in at AFM and come to Chuckwalla in October for CVMA. We're looking at a 30+ bike grid. Good times.

WesleySnipes · June 11th, 2013, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trailerboy531

Wesley get some experience in at AFM and come to Chuckwalla in October for CVMA. We're looking at a 30+ bike grid. Good times.

Hotdam I will be there no question I was also looking at signing up for Sept race too! My first race might be at Streets of Willow doing MotorWest GP in there "bring what ya got" class haha. Should be some good experience plus I am guessing a lot of riders will be on big bikes!

contact148 · June 12th, 2013, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

you pass NRS if you finish the mock race without crashing.

well there are no camry's on the track are there?????

June 7th, 2013, 03:32 PM	#42
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	So here are the numbers from turn 5 I'm recording from my braking marker on the 250 which is the #1 marker, to the red painted apex marker, to the start of the blue paint on the exiting rumble strip. first the 250 Brake Point: 3:57:06 Apex Point: 3:59:46 Exit Point: 4:02:83 So first Half is 2.40 Second Half is 3.37 Total is 5.77 Now the 636 Brake Point: 9:55:75 Apex Point: 9:58:08 Exit Point: 10:01:16 So first Half is 2.33 Second Half is 3.08 Total is 5.41 Result is the 636 is 0.36sec faster "THROUGH" turn 5 and I'm still 9 seconds a lap slower then what I normally could do on a 600. Also of those 9 seconds at least 60% would be in the turns so 60% of 9 is 5.4seconds then you divide 5.4 by the # of actual turns 10 so that's .54 seconds per turn. Now you add the 0.54 to the original difference of 0.36 and you get 0.9seconds. Now I'm not being entirely fair since I'm comparing my full blow racing R6 times to my totally street 250. I think in race trim I could shave off another 2-3 seconds but that only brings the difference between the two bike down to 0.6 seconds per turn. So a 600SS is 0.25 seconds better on the brakes to the apex and 0.35 seconds faster through the turn. Now go take a break away from your computer because I think your brain may be over heating
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June 7th, 2013, 04:08 PM	#43
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	I'm totally bummed out. I now hear the 250 isn't the fastest in the corners. My ego is deflated, my self esteem wiped out, my enthusiasm squashed beyond repair. How could this be? At least now when I go to the track on a 1000 I don't have to fear the 250. Not even in corners. I will press on, I will out brake and pass those little 1/4 liters in the corners and power out of turns like the big boys. __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

June 7th, 2013, 04:44 PM	#44
abhijitz ninjette.org sage Name: Abhijit Location: San Francisco Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): Many Two Wheels .. Posts: 611	So your actual question is if you are ready to do NRS ? i asked the same question before doing my NRS. You would really have to ride amongst some good 250 riders & instructors to gauge where you are at. Passing a slow 600 or parker litre bike in a corner, will give you the satisfaction but down the line you are not achieving anything. Passing NRS is easy. Doesnt matter which group you ride in, A or B. The instructor looks for consistency in your lines, abilities to pass slower riders and turn-in. The classroom session are boring yet a good learning. End of the day test is very simple. The only other requirement is "You should not crash the entire day or performing starts" Over a year i learnt racing is not just going fast. You can be fast yet crash out in the last lap. I did that, lost 2 1st positions. A lot of environment scan is going on and veterans and skilled racers learn others moves and take actions based on that. IMO, you should get more tracktime before attempting NRS. 2:17 at Sonoma is bit slow. If you are riding with Z2 get hold of Eric or Mark who are the top 250 racers & instructors. Racing is fun, yet expensive & risky. In all order you need to ensure you are getting the most benifit out of it. __________________________________________________ [ex-AFM #828 \| SMUSA #828 \| Sponsors : MotionPro \| LeoVince \| Insurrection Racing Gloves \| QstarZ Laptimers + OEM Parts @ 30-40% OFF : Harry @ 1-877-437-1631,17 harry@hondaeasttoledo.com

June 11th, 2013, 10:22 PM	#50
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	When you do pass the class don't pay for your license until you plan on using it. It only lasts a year so you might as well get the most out of your membership fee. You're eligible for a year I think after you pass the NRS. __________________________________________________ CVMA #531

June 11th, 2013, 10:59 PM	#52
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	Wesley get some experience in at AFM and come to Chuckwalla in October for CVMA. We're looking at a 30+ bike grid. Good times. __________________________________________________ CVMA #531

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