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November 10th, 2011, 09:17 PM | #42 |
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November 10th, 2011, 09:24 PM | #43 |
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I like the climate here better than the west coast. More beautiful here too nothing special about deserts, besides the fact that you have a year round riding season
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November 10th, 2011, 09:40 PM | #45 |
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To be fair I love NY. Seasons are amazing. California isnt horrible but I get annoyed that the weather doesnt make up its mind. It's warm enough to use a mesh jacket when the sun's out but I need a heated liner at night. That's just ridiculous. Either be cold all day all month or just stay warm!
Plus... the fact that there is snow isnt going to stop me from riding... knobby tires + full heated gear = |
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November 11th, 2011, 05:21 AM | #47 | |
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I didn't skid... I can catch a skid n not fall. I've done that at least 3 times on my motorcycle and hundreds of times on a bike. If u want to say it was a "noobie mistake.".. fine. I'm not gunna argue. But that doesn't explain anything for me. |
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November 11th, 2011, 05:37 AM | #48 |
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dammit... I'm such a noob. I doubled posted.
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FYI, skidding isnt ok. Another one of those dont do or avoid categories. The MSF recommendation still stands. If neither you or your sister has taken it, you should. I'm not saying that your brother taught you incorrectly, I'm just saying you'll probably still benefit from the class so there is no reason not to take it just to be safe. |
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November 11th, 2011, 10:43 AM | #51 | |
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I don't skid on purpose. (those damn metal bridges are scary!) I'm just saying I handle them better than I expected when things come popping out in front of me. We're talking about cars that run stop signs and red lights, parked cars that decides to pull out without looking just as I'm passing by, car that changes lanes without looking just as I'm passing by (this one I couldn't do anything but braked and lean left. I accepted my fate and closed my eyes when his car was already half way on my lane. he saw me last sec and swerved away. eyes were closed for a good 3 secs.) friggin Jersey City MSF is expensive. both cris n my sis took it I think, but they did the motorcycle course thing to get their license, and during Hurricane Irene... so I think the instructors just skipped through it. I'll be ok (I'm an organ donor. so my death will be put to good use) |
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November 11th, 2011, 10:55 AM | #53 |
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what if there was some bad gas in it and it stuttered for a second. if the rider really is new to riding that could easily begin to drop their turn... and not the best of experience might finish the job which could easily send the rider off to the front with the bike spinning clockwise on its right side
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November 11th, 2011, 10:59 AM | #54 | |
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November 11th, 2011, 11:09 AM | #55 |
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look dude no offense at all. i hate when people have to say this sort of thing but it sounds like you may have just been going faster than you thought and lost your rear in a turn because you didn't have any gas on to push the rear tire down. these things happen to a lot of people when they are learning how to ride, don't feel bad. (well you might want to feel bad about it being someone elses bike) a lot of people go through some denial after their first crash... intentionally forgetting one or two tiny little details that tie the entire story together. without those tiny details, instead of it being the riders fault, the rider can blame something else... the bike... some unseen condition... that beautiful girl that caught your eye... whatever it is it isn't your fault. i hit a big rock in the middle of a road with plenty of space on either side for my first crash. just accept what you've done and make it right. take motorcycling classes. read books. practice with your own bike.
also, riding a pedal bike is really nothing like riding a motorcycle... sliding to the side on a pedal bike is absolutely nothing like sliding to the side on a motorcycle
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November 11th, 2011, 11:20 AM | #56 | |
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you want to hate the fact that I'm denying whatever you say I'm denying... fine. I dont really care. I know what I did. I know how slow I was going. I know I didn't twist the throttle. I know I held the clutch the entire time until I flew off. I know I didn't slide. I know everything was smooth, with no stutter. I've done a lot of crazy stuff on a bike, and fell off many times. On my friend's motorcycle... a motorcycle that's not mine... I took extra care not to do anything special or crazy. I didn't even want to take a turn while leaning so I took it slow and maintained an erect position. your response may as well said "stfu. you were speeding through the turn and jumped off the bike cuz you got scared and now you have a fake story" you said to not take offense but you're calling me a liar. how do I not take offense? how about I say "no offense" and start talking about your mother. I'm done. I won't be replying anymore. |
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noone is trying to be mean.
what you say you "know" conflicts with reality. thats all we are saying
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If you find yourself skidding, less rear brake and more front brake. Practice panic stops with the front brake until you get the hang of it without skidding. Skidding is one of those things that can turn bad REAL quick so practicing to avoid that is very important. If you cant take the MSF, I highly recommend reading some motorcycling books. I forget the name but there are a few titles floating around that have a whole wealth of information that the MSF probably didnt even go over. You'll be able to help your brother and sister with their skills as well. Plus, it's cheap! Statistically, intersections are #1 on the list of accidents occurring. Always scan the area for moving obstructions and when in doubt, slow down but keep the clutch engaged so you can give throttle in a split second. Lane position is also very important, be sure to keep yourself in a location that allows for the most room to swerve and avoid things. Never brake in a swerve... swerve first then brake or brake then swerve w/ throttle. If you have any other questions, do a search and if nothing comes up go ahead and make a post. A forum is full of people, some helpful, some not so much, dont let that discourage you from posting because more than likely, you'll still learn something and that's all riding is about. Ride safe, ride happy, ride more! Alex.s means well. He's just not a sugar coater type of responder. |
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November 11th, 2011, 11:40 AM | #59 |
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you both have the same bike? Exchange fairing, mirrors, blinkers, what ever.
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November 11th, 2011, 01:41 PM | #61 |
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None of us can say it's your fault as we weren't there. It does seem like rider error to me, but I can't say that conclusively. From looking down the posts, I can see why you're getting defensive. It looks a bit like 10 vs 1. We all love ya really though! How could we not love a Ninjette rider!
Based on the info you've given us, I don't think we can really provide many constructive comments. I guess it's for you and your friend to settle this now. That's a useful skill! |
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Learning to brake with the front is VERY important to being a safe rider. The front has majority of the braking power. Some say 60% some say 80% blah blah blah... but the concensus is the front brake is what you need for hard braking. If you keep braking hard with the rear and skid... you're increasing your chances of fishtailing out of control by a HUGE amount, not to mention the probability that you wont be able to stop before hitting something. All of this is talked about in the MSF course and in the books on riding. Here are a few books that you should look into reading and owning. http://www.amazon.com/Proficient-Mot...1045225&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Ba...ref=pd_sim_b_6 Also if your sister and/or brother took the msf course, read through their workbook and be very familiar with it. |
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I can't advise on this, because I am guilty of it myself... I won't even ride someone else's bike, just because the whole time worrying about crashing, would probably end up making me crash. |
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wow did I miss a lot or what lol. I blame it all on mw3 lol. anyway..
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November 11th, 2011, 03:45 PM | #68 |
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I'm back with new info!
that was only a 10 min ride, and 3 cars ran a redlight, one nearly took me out. that b1tch swerved to the right and went to the street parking area to avoid hitting me. the other two fumb ducks will being getting their tickets in the mail. the traffic cam def. caught both of them. so I went back and did practiced counter steering. The response was much faster but I'm not gaining much horizontal movement. I'm moving maybe only 1 or 1.5 feet to the right or left only. If I drop my hips like I said... I can easily move 3 feet to the right or left instantly. should I practice more? and the turning and accelerating... wtf? I'm not getting it. I'm entering the turn at the perfect speed. If I lean... I turn exactly where I want to go. If I need more speed, I simply accelerate. I did what you guys said.... I enter the turn... accelerate VERY little through the entire turn... I'm crossing the double solid lines now since I'm obviously going to fast. I need this reexplained. So here is what happened and why I fell. I stood there for a good 5 mins staring at the road... Trying to analyze it. Then I tilt my head a little and noticed there was a mirage effect going on. If you look at it from the top down, it looks like a perfectly normal road. If you lower yourself, you can see that after years of use, the road is depressed from the wheels of millions of cars driving over it daily. I would say that was it was depressed on both sides by a maximum of 1 inch. As I turned about 15 degrees, the front wheel probably followed the depression, causing the wheel to twist at a 45 degree angle, bike stopped, I flew, bike fell. of course.. I did what I did on Cris's bike twice today on my bike... and nothing happened... but I do have brand spanking new tires... |
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Ok, so brand spanking new tires... that's not a good thing!! Brand new tires are not grippy. It takes a while for them to become grippy. I suspect this guy didn't know about the nature of new tires:
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It's like riding over a branch or 2x4, too slow and no throttle you just enough force to stop the bike and throw you over but with some acceleration/throttle, the front wheel is lighter and will just lift right over. |
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I'm saying all those combined things caused the accident (nervous+slow speed+clutch dis-engaged (meaning pulled in) and not applying gas (throttle off)=crash. I didn't say or insinuate in any way shape or form that you let the clutch out You seem to be taking people's replies defensively When I crashed mine pre-gen, in 3rd gear and high sided, the thing was running on it's side. It took me a good 30 secs to get up and hit the kills switch, about 10mins later it seemed to run fine, minus the broke shift lever. So sounds pretty normal to me. |
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November 11th, 2011, 04:22 PM | #72 | |
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Everybody kept saying I made a noobie mistake.. today would be the third time I drove over it and I didn't see a single thing until looked closely while I was off the bike. This was unavoidable in my book. I was simply at the wrong angle at the wrong speed. I'm not sure if accelerating through the turn would have made it worse or not. |
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November 11th, 2011, 04:28 PM | #73 | |
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2. I didn't reply defensively to you. I did to other ppl so my tone must have transferred over. I repeated back what you wrote because I was sure I didn't understand what you said. now I know dis-engaged = pulled in 3. hmmm so that is normal... why is that? I'm assuming that since the wheel is off the ground, there's nothing pushing back... so it's like riding the clutch...? |
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Yup! For those skeptical... ride over a 2x4 around 10-15mph and try 1) coasting with clutch disengaged, 2) clutch engaged no throttle, and 3) a jolt of throttle right before the 2x4. You'll see that weight distribution makes a huge difference.
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2. If I'm accelerating through the turn and my front wheel goes into the sink hole and curve hard right AS IM TURNING... you really think the light front will just go over and not go with the turn? yes more experienced riders... chime in. 3. side question: I'm riding really fast and I didn't see the 50 potholes in front of me that is UNAVOIDABLE to dodge. Switching lanes is not an option atm. I'm going 65mph. What I do is squeeze the clutch, stand up to let my legs absorb the boucing motion... and hold the steering wheel tight to not let it turn too far, but let it turn as needed. anything wrong with this? my brother said he accelerated out of this before and was fine. he told me I shouldn't do that but ride it through... I rode it through and got a FAT dent on my rim. ugh. A-hole driver to my left wouldn't let me switch lane. I went to the left and he accelerated up to block me. slowing down and going behind him was too tricky since it was dark and I'm sure I would have just went into the car behind him if I tried. |
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But yes: if I saw a pot hole and didn't have time to avoid it then I personally would accelerate through it to keep the rear wheel loaded. By "accelerate", I don't mean pin the throttle wide open. Just smoothly apply a small amount of acceleration: just enough that if someone was watching my bike, they'd see the rear shock compress and the front shock expand. Quote:
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I hardly post and I'm still very new myself but in my MSF, and in the reading I have done, everything recommends standing on the pegs when going over obstacles, obviously this doesn't mean standing straight up with knees locked. This allows your legs to act as shock absorbers for your body mass which means your body mass is having less of an affect on the handling of the bike.
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