The Ninja 300 is a Terrible Beginner Bike - Page 2

CycleCam303 · May 20th, 2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

I bought my 2011 for 4k 9 months ago.

But mine was completely stock and therefore worth it

Ding ding ding.

Against all normal advice I wanted a very clean and stock ninja 250. I wasn't planning on dropping it in a parking lot or having those "inevitable" crashes while "learning." Did I over pay? Yes. Does my bike look awesome and I got exactly what I payed for? Yes.

@massacremasses I don't think I even knew how to shift a motorcycle 2 years ago. Haha.

RedPepper64 · May 20th, 2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Byakkotai

There are a couple on C-list...mostly owners trying to recoup however much they lost at the dealer though

I keep watching and same thing here. The private sellers are right there with the dealers. If I wanted to spend that much I'd get a no-owner bike. Patience is a virtue I hear, so I'm saving ducats and waiting for CL alerts to hit.

Jiggles · May 20th, 2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Ding ding ding.

Against all normal advice I wanted a very clean and stock ninja 250. I wasn't planning on dropping it in a parking lot or having those "inevitable" crashes while "learning." Did I over pay? Yes. Does my bike look awesome and I got exactly what I payed for? Yes.

@massacremasses I don't think I even knew how to shift a motorcycle 2 years ago. Haha.

Except for those half working turn signals right?

CycleCam303 · May 20th, 2013, 10:19 PM

Lol I'm still rolling around without blinkers. I'm losing motivation to get the things working hahaha

Daks · May 20th, 2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iceknyght

This is what I have been waiting for, but haven't seen many used ones up for sale yet...

There was one in SFMoto with like 32 miles on it. They'd want more than a private seller, likely, but it's a great deal for someone who wants to finance.

iceknyght · May 20th, 2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Daks

There was one in SFMoto with like 32 miles on it. They'd want more than a private seller, likely, but it's a great deal for someone who wants to finance.

Thanks, but I am willing to wait for a good deal... And have no plans of financing...

I have my 250 for now, which I enjoy and runs great, so I am not in a *need* to get a new bike right now...

tar wheels · May 21st, 2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Yes but people must be paying those ridiculous prices. I'm no better I paid 4 grand for an 09... 8 months ago...

Just bought an 08 for 2500. Good deal right? Then I blew 1250 on OEM fairings...

This Girl Rides · July 7th, 2013, 03:16 PM

I have a 300, not one single issue.

Should also add I have my idle turned down.

Jiggles · July 7th, 2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by This Girl Rides

I have a 300, not one single issue.

Should also add I have my idle turned down.

Yours has been retuned

MNDruggist · July 7th, 2013, 07:56 PM

Jiggles, Let me know which dealer you take it to. I'll send them a link to your 300 break-in video and see what they have to say.

Jiggles · July 7th, 2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MNDruggist

Jiggles, Let me know which dealer you take it to. I'll send them a link to your 300 break-in video and see what they have to say.

That would be GP motorsports in California, here's the website http://www.gpsportsonline.com/default.asp?mobile=N The one on el camino real. Ask for Tom, he's the one that sold it to me. Then ask them if they have any ****s to give because I sure don't.

dwright0723 · July 7th, 2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

That would be GP motorsports in California, here's the website http://www.gpsportsonline.com/default.asp?mobile=N The one on el camino real. Ask for Tom, he's the one that sold it to me. Then ask them if they have any ****s to give because I sure don't.

psych0hans · July 7th, 2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

That would be GP motorsports in California, here's the website http://www.gpsportsonline.com/default.asp?mobile=N The one on el camino real. Ask for Tom, he's the one that sold it to me. Then ask them if they have any ****s to give because I sure don't.

This Girl Rides · July 8th, 2013, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Yours has been retuned

Doesn't change the fact that I rode it for 7 months before it was tuned.

Jiggles · July 8th, 2013, 06:35 AM

Hmm, you must have gotten one of the broken ones

This Girl Rides · July 8th, 2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Hmm, you must have gotten one of the broken ones

Ba ha ha, jealous?

btw; like your "faster than This Girl Ride's" addition. lmfao.

You could TRY to keep up

tfkrocks · July 8th, 2013, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by This Girl Rides

Ba ha ha, jealous?

btw; like your "faster than This Girl Ride's" addition. lmfao.

You could TRY to keep up

That's a tag that inserts the username of whoever is reading it

This Girl Rides · July 8th, 2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tfkrocks

That's a tag that inserts the username of whoever is reading it

That is awesome as hell, even better

choneofakind · July 8th, 2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MNDruggist

I'll send them a link to your 300 break-in video and see what they have to say.

Except that you're actually better to ride it hard-ish right away and get lots of engine braking in. Rings need to seal asap.

Plus, it won't void a warranty unless they can prove that his break-in caused the stalling issue. Judging by how many others are also having this issue, the real problem isn't his break-in method.

I bet the whole stalling problem can be fixed by a small software update for the ECU. No biggie.

lgk · July 8th, 2013, 05:18 PM

The 4k rpm rule is more to prevent people from crashing than to break in the engine.

MNDruggist · July 8th, 2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Except that you're actually better to ride it hard-ish right away and get lots of engine braking in. Rings need to seal asap.

Plus, it won't void a warranty unless they can prove that his break-in caused the stalling issue. Judging by how many others are also having this issue, the real problem isn't his break-in method.

I bet the whole stalling problem can be fixed by a small software update for the ECU. No biggie.

I agree, and I broke mine in hard. Actually when you live on a highway it's almost impossible not ride over 4k. I admit my break-in wasn't the same as jiggles, but I wasn't afraid to run it. I just changed the rpms continuously for the first 500 miles.

I'm just curious if the dealers will use the Data recorder to as an excuse to NOT fix a warrantee issue, because it wasn't broken in by the book. I know it's common in the marine industry to not warrantee outboard motors that were beat to crap during the break-in period.

choneofakind · July 8th, 2013, 06:51 PM

mark, bueno! So many people are afraid to go over 4k. I just don't get it.

I don't think they're allowed to do that. Again, they have to be able to definitively prove that your break-in method caused the issue in question. I don't think they have any grounds to go on there. But I may be wrong. Who knows?

Jiggles · July 8th, 2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by This Girl Rides

Ba ha ha, jealous?

btw; like your "faster than This Girl Ride's" addition. lmfao.

You could TRY to keep up

I'll try to keep from falling asleep waiting for you at the finish line.

KawiKid860 · July 8th, 2013, 11:38 PM

I don't think cold revving an engine counts as a "hard break in." Cold revving is horrible for the engine. Free revving isn't exactly great for it either. Going WOT and building a ton of cylinder pressure without letting the bike warm up properly is even worse. Just saying

Dark · July 9th, 2013, 12:58 AM

With the pod filter I can bring the idle down to roughly ~600rpm without it stalling...it's awful to blip but I couldn't get the bike to hold an idle below ~900rpm in stock form without stalling.

When I pulled out the oem air filter (at 450ish miles) it has lots of oil deposits already, nearly covering 30% of the filter.

Besides the horrible ringing in my ears from the pod filter and exhaust, the bike is a gem to ride for what it is and undoubtedly an easy bike to ride.

choneofakind · July 9th, 2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KawiKid860

I don't think cold revving an engine counts as a "hard break in." Cold revving is horrible for the engine. Free revving isn't exactly great for it either. Going WOT and building a ton of cylinder pressure without letting the bike warm up properly is even worse. Just saying

Where did we mention cold revving or free revving? I missed that.

Read all of this:
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

The idea is to get pressure on the rings to force them to seal to the cylinders quickly. Therefore, pressure right away is necessary, and it can only be accomplished by controlled loading and engine braking.

That article mentions to not rev the engine without load. It suggests loading the engine by accelerating the bike and letting it engine brake. It also mentions to warm it up before doing pulls and engine braking.

KawiKid860 · July 11th, 2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Where did we mention cold revving or free revving? I missed that.

I got that from seeing videos of jiggles cold revving his 300 and 650.

choneofakind · July 11th, 2013, 06:28 PM

Oh gotcha. My bad, just wasn't on the same page with you.

Jiggles · July 12th, 2013, 04:58 AM

I don't think I ever cold revved them

mataleo · April 12th, 2014, 09:44 PM

Mine never stalls
I got 2014

U might have faulty ecu

As there was some they release with fault

Ducati999 · April 13th, 2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mataleo

Mine never stalls
I got 2014

U might have faulty ecu

As there was some they release with fault

I do not have any experience with the 300s fuel injection but I do have a few fi bikes. This issue with the low rpm stalling sounds just like a badly set throttle position sensor. Also the issue with it being rough/jerking at low speed and part throttle is a classic symptom. Since the bike is new I would recommend a return trip to the dealer. There are a few "do it at home" TPS reset procedures but I don't know if they will work on the 300. Good luck getting it sorted (I don't believe it is something you will just have to get used to) and keep us posted as to what the cure turns out to be!

Jiggles · April 13th, 2014, 05:38 PM

The solution was I made it a track bike, so the throttle is either 100% or 0%.

allanoue · April 13th, 2014, 06:39 PM

or get the 2013 ecu replacement recall done, one or the other or both

justinocean · April 13th, 2014, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KawiKid860

I don't think cold revving an engine counts as a "hard break in." Cold revving is horrible for the engine. Free revving isn't exactly great for it either. Going WOT and building a ton of cylinder pressure without letting the bike warm up properly is even worse. Just saying

If you do some cold-reving use rotella for your oil...it bonds the best in a cold engine

Jiggles · April 14th, 2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by allanoue

or get the 2013 ecu replacement recall done, one or the other or both

mgentz · April 14th, 2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by justinocean

If you do some cold-reving use rotella for your oil...it bonds the best in a cold engine

oh don't you start.

July 7th, 2013, 03:16 PM	#48
This Girl Rides Girly Gearhead <3 Name: Brittany Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 300 Posts: 129	I have a 300, not one single issue. Should also add I have my idle turned down. __________________________________________________ ". . .No, it's not his. Care to demonstrate your ignorance again?"

July 7th, 2013, 07:56 PM	#50
MNDruggist ninjette.org member Name: Mark Location: Central MN Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Ebony Posts: 39	Jiggles, Let me know which dealer you take it to. I'll send them a link to your 300 break-in video and see what they have to say. __________________________________________________ Unregistered's village called.......Their idiot is missing.

July 8th, 2013, 06:35 AM	#55
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Hmm, you must have gotten one of the broken ones __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

July 8th, 2013, 05:18 PM	#60
lgk ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.	The 4k rpm rule is more to prevent people from crashing than to break in the engine. __________________________________________________ Ethioknight Memorial Fund- Sticker sale http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111700

July 9th, 2013, 12:58 AM	#65
Dark Simple kind of man Name: Ryan Location: Stuttgart, Germany Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 133	With the pod filter I can bring the idle down to roughly ~600rpm without it stalling...it's awful to blip but I couldn't get the bike to hold an idle below ~900rpm in stock form without stalling. When I pulled out the oem air filter (at 450ish miles) it has lots of oil deposits already, nearly covering 30% of the filter. Besides the horrible ringing in my ears from the pod filter and exhaust, the bike is a gem to ride for what it is and undoubtedly an easy bike to ride. __________________________________________________

May 20th, 2013, 10:19 PM	#44
CycleCam303 King Hamfist Name: Cameron Location: NorCal East Bay Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Crf 150R, 2011 Hypermotard 796 Posts: 940	Lol I'm still rolling around without blinkers. I'm losing motivation to get the things working hahaha

July 8th, 2013, 06:51 PM	#62
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	mark, bueno! So many people are afraid to go over 4k. I just don't get it. I don't think they're allowed to do that. Again, they have to be able to definitively prove that your break-in method caused the issue in question. I don't think they have any grounds to go on there. But I may be wrong. Who knows?

July 8th, 2013, 11:38 PM	#64
KawiKid860 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Murphey Location: Eastern Washington Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Honda 919, 2004 Ninja 500R NAKED Posts: A lot.	I don't think cold revving an engine counts as a "hard break in." Cold revving is horrible for the engine. Free revving isn't exactly great for it either. Going WOT and building a ton of cylinder pressure without letting the bike warm up properly is even worse. Just saying

July 11th, 2013, 06:28 PM	#68
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Oh gotcha. My bad, just wasn't on the same page with you.

July 12th, 2013, 04:58 AM	#69
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I don't think I ever cold revved them __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

April 12th, 2014, 09:44 PM	#70
mataleo ninjette.org member Name: Krystian Location: Pattaya Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 SE Posts: 27	Mine never stalls I got 2014 U might have faulty ecu As there was some they release with fault __________________________________________________ http://www.fuelly.com/driver/mataleo/ninja-300-1

April 13th, 2014, 05:38 PM	#72
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	The solution was I made it a track bike, so the throttle is either 100% or 0%. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

April 13th, 2014, 06:39 PM	#73
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	or get the 2013 ecu replacement recall done, one or the other or both

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