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It is a fine line with clutch, throttle and brake. I use the friction zone only on some hills (no brake) to stay on top (1 foot down to hold back). In most cases it is a combo of clutch and front brake with some throttle as I start to go. It takes time, they will teach you ib the course how to use the friction zone.
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On hills i use front brake until rear-tyre has enough drive torque to at least overcome gravity. When you feel back wheel starting to pick up bike and lift front end, let go of front brake, add gas, release rest of clutch and go.
Using back brake doesn't let engine torque spin wheel and you go nowhere. In fact, you can be at full-throttle and rear brake will keep rear wheel from spinning at all! |
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I usually use the front brake with a finger or two while applying throttle too, but it's not hard to start on an uphill using the rear brake, you just have to feather it off as you feather the clutch on. The trouble with it that I don't like is that your right foot is committed to that purpose, so you have to be sure not to get leaning to the right!
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I think only time i use rear brake is when rolling off trailer. Front brake tends to slide going backwards.
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June 24th, 2018, 02:33 PM | #88 |
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It seems like I found my issue thanks to you guys, lol. Note to self - use front brake next sunday
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June 24th, 2018, 03:31 PM | #90 |
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Glad to see your still determined to work at it, but jkv45's advice to wait till you take the course might be worth listening too. It's only a few weeks away.
Otherwise try earlier in the morning before the jerks are out and about! My favorite rides are Saturday morning at sunrise. Low traffic and cool temps. |
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Yeah sunrise! I love seeing sunrise as I cross Bay Bridge into San Francisco!
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edit to add - and the brc is just going to have me in a flat parking lot. that's not going to give me any help in getting off a hill. you guys are giving me sound advice on that issue. that was the main issue of the morning. from what i've read on reddit with some people that have recently taken the msf, its so watered down these days that they barely spend any time on the friction zone at all. they talk about it, show you how to do it real quick, and move on. won't know if ohio's class is the same way until i get there. Quote:
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June 24th, 2018, 04:04 PM | #93 |
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The instructors at the basic course my daughter took made no secret that they prefer to work with students who have not practiced riding at all. I guess they want to get a clean slate with no bad habits.
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June 24th, 2018, 04:16 PM | #94 |
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I can understand that, but at the same time if that's how the coaches feel then they need to change the curriculum a bit. from what I've been reading/hearing lately, it's all about just pumping out the classes as fast as they can, not really spending much time on any one thing, just move it along and if you can't do it you can't do it. too bad so sad. the reason i wanted to have at least some feel for my bike before I went is because i get real bad anxiety doing things in front of groups. i wanted to know that i can do this, i can get the hang of this, without that weighing on me.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, just that if you don't get to practice much, it may not hurt your performance at the course.
I helped my daughter get a lot of practice before she took the course. I had no idea the instructors felt the way they do, but in any case, I can't see how basic practice with handling the motorcycle can hurt, unless you're somehow doing it very wrong. |
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You'll be fine at the course as you are now.
I literally got my temps on a thursday, walked into an open spot in the course on a friday for the classroom part, did the weekend (where I piloted a motorbike for the first time ever) and passed it. I finally got to the BMV by wed/thursday of that next week. Went from a hope and a dream to fully licensed rider in a week. Easy peasy. You'll do fine. |
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June 24th, 2018, 05:07 PM | #99 |
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My first time out, I started out covering them. I quickly stopped doing that after accidentally revving the throttle a couple times. Once I got used to the throttle and brake I just never went back to covering it because every squirrelly situation I had, my hand was on the brake/clutch in the blink of an eye. I didn't even think, I just reacted.
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June 24th, 2018, 05:50 PM | #100 |
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I never operated a bike before the class, too. They will teach you to use both brakes. I don't know where you are reading they just pump out the classes, I had great instructors. They don't have time in a class of 15 to work with each person one on one the whole time, it is a class and done as a class.
The front brake is something you either learn from experience or the track. But, when you are short you need to do somethings differently...like stopping on hills. The samething will apply if you stop on a street that slopes to the left, you won't be able to put your left foot down or use the rear brake. Another option before the track is the MSF course, they changed the program to help with faster turns and techniques.
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either way, it's to get my endorsement and I look forward to hopefully learning skills that will help me out.
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June 24th, 2018, 06:58 PM | #104 |
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The one by me is MSF, you cannot get a waver from the program in Ohio (BRC)https://training.msf-usa.org/res/str...cKY55jRg%3d%3d
Ours has a dirt course and a road course...it is at Honda What you are taking is the BRS from the state.
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Yes - you will be around cars eventually, but you need to be prepared. That means you know how to operate the cycle without thinking - especially under stress. You need to be able to react quickly and correctly to unexpected events. It's not muscle memory - it's proper techniques and training - then practice. There are some basic things that you are not doing correctly at this point that are bringing you too close to dangerous situations. I'm trying to help you stay safe and learn correctly, but I don't think you aren't interested in my opinion - so I'll quit. |
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What do you mean you can't sign up for it in Ohio? Google "MSF Ohio" and the first link that comes up is what you need to sign up. They even have a breakdown by county.
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Starting on a hill is a skill for sure. Sometimes I'll put the pegs in front of my boots, and kind of rest the weight on my boots. Sometimes I let the bike roll back that little bit while I get going. Sometimes I use the back brake to keep me in place to get the clutch out that little bit then release it and go.
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June 25th, 2018, 02:06 PM | #109 |
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I sense a lot of determination here. good for you! sounds like you are doing everything you can to be safe in your area. I can understand wanting a little practice before taking the course.
You can simulate the harder launch of uphill in regards to clutch/throttle use on flat ground by leaving the bike in second or third gear when coming to a stop and taking off again. Then all you have to do when on uphill start is add proper timing and modulation of your brake release to the uphill starts. I hold front brake when stopped and starting on uphills. on sharp turns and U turns, I have found it best for me to be in second gear, and drag rear brake a little to adjust speed. Then if a little throttle is needed it is not overly responsive. |
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Try practicing using the friction zone with the front brake (flat ground first, then hills).
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Back when I started riding in the late 70s it wasn't as intense on the roads as it is now. I started riding at 13 on dirt bikes, was racing MX at 15, started street riding at 16, and road racing at 17. I learned most of my skills on the dirt (the hard way), but it has paid off on the street many times. When I was younger I wasn't quite as safety conscious, and came very close to disaster many times. That's where the dirt riding comes in. Learning to bring a cycle back from the edge of out of control is very beneficial, and I still ride on the dirt (and snow) in order to keep my skills sharp. You never know when you will need it. I would like to see you take the course, but also get some time on the dirt to really learn what a cycle does when it's on the edge. My 2 boys (18 and 21) had been riding on the dirt since they were about 4, but I still made them drive a car for a year and take a riding course before getting their cycle license. I know it's hard to do (especially with a new cycle), but go slow and be patient when learning. The consequences are just too high to jump into it unprepared. We all want you to have a long, safe, and enjoyably riding career. |
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@jkv45 while I would absolutely love to learn how to ride a dirt bike, I only know one person who has them that could show me the ropes (i think it's going on three months now that he hasn't talked to me, still pissed? who knows), and only know of one place to ride them (no clue how far away it is, pretty sure you have to be a member).
I'm just going to wait until my class, it's only 2 weeks.
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Lol, Jay. I used to live where she's currently at. There really is almost no place to ride a dirt bike publicly without a 2-3 hour drive first.
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