The 'American Dream'?

[shiroganeshinobi]

Originally Posted by almost40

Which statement are we talking about??

I used to be a doom and gloomer when it came to the economy. The recession hit and like everyone else I was pissed. I wanted to know who was the blame and why we didnt see thing coming etc et al. Also there was something sensationalistic about the "coming of the end of the world". I would read economic blogs like Mish and accepted their viewpoints with confirmation bias. I read what I want to read and listened to what I wanted to hear. One day, I listened to the arguments of the opposite side such as reading this site. Both sites use "facts" to illustrate their points but Bonddad uses objective analysis and facts to talk about what he observes in the economy. They dont impose political opinion much at all compared to Mish.

Reading Bonddad has grounded me. It made me think, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I need to be more objective of considering what is really going on. Everyone loves to hear they're right, shouldnt we also listen to why we're wrong and examine it? Shouldn't we keep a more open mind?

The real problem with California is Proposition 13. If you think otherwise, you havent done the research.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by shiroganeshinobi

The real problem with California is Proposition 13. If you think otherwise, you havent done the research.

I dont live there, and could care less.
sorry.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by drsketch

Because I don't see how anyone would have the time to type that amount of economical bullsh!t on a motorcycle site.

BS is it?? Only my post is BS?? Nothing on any other post?? I wasnt taking a side. I was pointing out the facts..... LOOK IT UP.
Tell me Im wrong if you please. Believe what you would like.

Thats human nature, yours and mine.

You say....................
Your wrong, so Ill call what you say BS. Then offen no meaningful commentary. Is that how it works in your world?
Ok..... according to you Im full of BS....... Fine with me.


There are others have an opinion on the subject......As you can plainly see.
They voice them, and we have a discussion.



BTW..... You didnt say weather you have a job. Seems your at home posting here as well.

[drowe531]

Originally Posted by almost40

BTW..... You didnt say weather you have a job. Seems your at home posting here as well.

I'm staying out of this argument, but regards to above.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77079

You've been here longer than I have and have had to seen, even in passing by, the numerous times he has mentioned his job.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Nice!

Dont get the wrong Idea here. Im not wealthy. Just comfortable. I worked hard in my youth. Ive built and soldd a couple homes when things they were a booming. I have no house payment. Own all my vehicles and can live well on $900 a month.

LUCKY ME.
Well, it isnt luck...........I worked my rear off to get here. 12 hours a day for years and years.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by drowe531

I'm staying out of this argument, but regards to above.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77079

You've been here longer than I have and have had to seen, even in passing by, the numerous times he has mentioned his job.

Sorry, I dont pay attention to who does, and doesnt have a job. I dont even know if Kkim or Alex works. Why is that my buisness?

They never asked me if I had a job, so I never asked them.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by Alex

You realize that it's been internet rules for 15 years that when anyone uses "wake up people!" in any political rant, they automatically lose and have to buy drinks for the rest of the board.

Ok, sorry...Drinks on me tonight a 7PM at the Lariat Club we can chat about this thread while I eat my steak.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by drowe531

I'm staying out of this argument, but regards to above.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77079

You've been here longer than I have and have had to seen, even in passing by, the numerous times he has mentioned his job.

Whos arguing?? He said its BS, I said ok fine with me. Hes entitled to his opinion. A little commentary to the contrary would make an argument.

[almost40]

Originally Posted by drsketch

In my world I learn how to spell on the internetz, then argue foolishly.

Thats all ya got?? No opinion other than that. IGGY ya go.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by bdavison

Did it ever occur you you that the reason our economy is shifting away from manufacturing has little to do with education, and more to do with corporations being forced to go overseas because of high corporate taxes.
You underestimate the American. We have been, and can be a world leader in manufacturing again...IF we stop abusing the corporations that would provide this opportunity to us.

In a litany of mistatements, incorrect interpretations, and a fundamental misunderstanding of how a national economy actually works, the quote above stands head and shoulders above the rest.

Originally Posted by bdavison

I dont know if you were even alive during Reagan...but this simply is a LIE thats been passed around. Including from Obama.

Spending went up, budgets went up, and deficits went up. This isn't a lie, and capitalizing your statements to make a point certainly doesn't come across like an elder statesman, it sound like a teenager trying to scream his point louder so people stop ignoring him.

And yes, I was alive during Reagan.

Originally Posted by bdavison

Deficit...thats funny coming from a Obama supporter. Hows that working out for you? Let me count the 14 trillion ways.

The funny part is that I'm not an Obama supporter. I just like mocking the ignorant. The most straightforward binary argument to make this entertaining is that anyone who didn't vote for:



voted for:



In the world of political rants, academic arguments about ideology, optimal economic strategies, it really comes down to that. And that's what will continue to remain funny, as far as one could possibly predict.

[CynicalC]

I <3 this thread

[almost40]

Originally Posted by Alex

In a litany of mistatements, incorrect interpretations, and a fundamental misunderstanding of how a national economy actually works, the quote above stands head and shoulders above the rest. .

Well, he was right 20-30 years ago. Maybe he meant manufacturing technology

Originally Posted by Alex

[Spending went up, budgets went up, and deficits went up. This isn't a lie, and capitalizing your statements to make a point certainly doesn't come across like an elder statesman, it sound like a teenager trying to scream his point louder so people stop ignoring him. .

Spending, Budgets, Deficits . All true. A first time in over 40 years to boot.

[almost40]

Sorry Alex but she is WAYYYYYYY hotter to me.

Palin is old news.

[taikahn]

Small Business is ****ed because the banks and visa are crooks and consumers no longer have money, jobs or credit. Assuming the government had anything to do with it would infer they still have some control of the economy and we all know that's not true. The only control of the economy they have anymore is where they spend our money (and the money the federal reserve prints for them). Someone made sure the US was 10T in the hole before someone else even had a shot at trying to deal with it.

["A"]

Money is the root of all evil.. Resource Based Economy hopefully is the future..

Link to original page on YouTube.

[highpsiguy]

Its really simple what is wrong. The bankers have bought the politicians. The people are getting screwed. Our politicians no longer represent us the people.

[Liber]

Originally Posted by "A"

Money is the root of all evil.. Resource Based Economy hopefully is the future..

Link to original page on YouTube.

The premises that the author of this video bases his arguments on are flawed from the start. I will admit I didn't watch more than 2 minutes, but the foundations of his argument are made out of quicksand. Honestly, any argument against our "current enslavement to 'the system'(which is usually a socialist's closet word for capitalism)" sounds like the beginning of another argument in favor of Socialism/Fascism with a different name.

EDIT: Ok, I watched it all the way through. I like his quote at the end about how this economic model would be "cataclysmically better" than the current system. I was right, this guy is proposing a slight variance of international socialism.

In the end, he is just another left wing radical(yes he claimed radical change was needed) that has almost zero understanding of economics. Marx, who actually somewhat understood the foundations of classical economics, would be very disappointed to know that so many of his followers don't even understand the foundations of his arguments.

Originally Posted by rockNroll

This thread has moved beyond my skill level

You aren't missing out on much.

[bdavison]

We can be a manufacturing country again. We still have some of the brightest people on the planet, we still have material resources, and we still have individuals with the drive and entreprenur attitude that can do this. The only limiting factor is COST. Property taxes, corporate taxes, epa strangling....the government has utterly destroyed the american dream with this stuff.


When you have a administration that has created an economic environment that causes people not to be willing to dream big, and go big...youve effectively destroyed the american dream.


You can try to chasize reagan all you want, but the simple fact is that while he was in office, we saw the biggest increase in economic explosion since beforee the depression. Companies like apple, microsoft, etc. all started during reagans administration, and primarily because he created an economic environment that not only encouraged the american people to dream big, but to go big......and they did.

Now we have an administration that would like to destroy those companies because they say its not fair for them to be wealthy. You all sound like a bunch of whiney spoiled brats.

Go earn your own piece of the pie, and quit trying to steal it from everyone else

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[Alex]

Originally Posted by bdavison

When you have a administration that has created an economic environment that causes people not to be willing to dream big, and go big...youve effectively destroyed the american dream.

No, when people get confused with the unending entertainment focused "news", and disappointed in their own economic lot, they get downright silly.

Originally Posted by bdavison

You can try to chasize reagan all you want, but the simple fact is that while he was in office, we saw the biggest increase in economic explosion since beforee the depression. Companies like apple, microsoft, etc. all started during reagans administration, and primarily because he created an economic environment that not only encouraged the american people to dream big, but to go big......and they did.

No-one's chastizing Reagan, they're chastizing you. (for clarity, Microsoft and Apple were founded during Ford & Carter, respectively, and grew most quickly in the 90's).

Originally Posted by bdavison

Now we have an administration that would like to destroy those companies because they say its not fair for them to be wealthy.

And yet you still can't point to a single piece of legislation, vote, decision, or anything else specific that shows this administration to by any more anti-business than the prior. You bring up these "facts" as if a group will agree with you on faith.

Originally Posted by bdavison

You all sound like a bunch of whiney spoiled brats.

And you sound like an uneducated, ill-informed long-time listener of the panderers to the ignorant. Find somewhere else to share your "insights".

This thread is going nowhere.

/closed