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September 27th, 2010, 04:52 PM | #82 |
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This is why Im always asking if the Sprocket HUB will undergo surgery
Anyways, I will check on the Bearings model/part/code number so that I can buy a bearing with 650R od and 250r id. Thanks for sharing again. |
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September 29th, 2010, 12:13 PM | #83 |
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in reference to the hub sleeve. I have that part. I see your logic in the "sinking" in of the hub. I guess mine didn't sink in at all? regardless, alignment is good now. Any luck with your bike?
As far as the hugger, its made of fiberglass so it almost went on as is. In order to make it fit correctly I used a razor blade to cut two slits near the front of the hugger (where it fits close to the shock) then I put it on the bike. After that I used a fiberglass repair kit to fix the slits I created and it was finished. Hugger is durable and will flex without any breakage Basically I just made the slits to give me about another .5 inches of play with the hugger, then fixed it up. you can see pictures of it.....just hop over to my thread in the farkles section..... |
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September 29th, 2010, 12:18 PM | #84 |
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as far as milling of the hub sleeve, that is a tricky area that I guess no one has covered and I'm glad it has been brought up.....you would need to see how bad alignment is, then measure the appropriate distance it would take to align everything correctly. Then mill that distance off of the sleeve? I have no idea here just guessing.......can you take a picture of the rear of the bike so we can look at the alignment? i picture is worth 1000 words....in my thread I was able to look at one of the pictures I posted and was able to diagnose a problem I had with the brake caliper very easy just by looks alone.
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September 29th, 2010, 12:28 PM | #85 | |
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I'll try to get some pictures up here. I'm waiting on my caliper mount to come back then I can do something. Some of your hub side and rotor side may be helpful too.
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September 29th, 2010, 01:14 PM | #86 |
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ahhhh thats right! yea I looked back at one of the earlier pics I posted of the caliper and disc and saw what the problem was so it helped ( needed bleeding ). After that was taken care of...as well as a tiny alignment issue (caused thanks to my "welder") was fixed, the bike is now running great and everything is in order. I think the reason that the process is coming along different for the both of us is do to the fact of the widened swingarm. Because of this i did no caliper milling etc etc.......... looking forward to pics.
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October 4th, 2010, 06:44 AM | #87 |
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Ok guys... I'm tired of my bike being in pieces. Its been nearly a month now. I've decided to put her back togther using all stock parts. Maybe I'll try this mod again in the future. Anyone interested in buying out my parts. Most everything is completed I think. Still need to get the rear tire balanced and some more mod'n to the caliper mount to make it all work. Just want to get back what I got in it but I'm willing to take offers.
Parts are for sale here: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...849#post220849
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October 4th, 2010, 04:52 PM | #88 |
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Put the NEW rear tire on the stock wheel!!!!!!!!!
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October 4th, 2010, 10:18 PM | #89 |
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wow...you're 95% done already..just machine down the rear caliber holder and have it all installed..
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October 5th, 2010, 08:06 AM | #90 |
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I had my bike in pieces for about 3 months while I was doing this, my koso install and protons and stuff. It sucked not riding but the final outcome was awesome! hang in there. It took me awhile to do this as well (about 6 weeks total) and I'm really happy. Your pioneering this for those not wanting to widen the swingarm so its going to be hard and there isn't going to be alot of info. That was one scary thing when I started doing this mod.
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October 5th, 2010, 03:57 PM | #92 |
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you name the angles and you got it.....the chain is off right now....found out the chain I got from ebay was part of a defective batch from a company (thats why it was so cheap) so I'm buying a new EK chrome O-ring chain (pricey but nice).....so let me know the angles and I'll get some pics. The bike is in the truck right now too but it shouldn't be a problem.
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Looking for a couple from the left and a couple from the right. Also from straight behind the bike. Pics should be from high and low of the right, left, and behind.
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October 5th, 2010, 04:16 PM | #94 |
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Btw. I figured out that the newninja setup will not work without milling the Cush hub. I think I'm gonna try to figure this out. Just take some more time. I'll prolly be fab'n this time on my wife's bike.
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October 5th, 2010, 04:44 PM | #95 |
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so your just going to mill down the inside of the sprocket hub? that will make it sink in for sure....question is....how much milling is needed?
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October 5th, 2010, 04:49 PM | #96 |
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as for the pics....I'm going to have to remove the swingarm cover to get pics of everything lined up.....the cover does a good job of hiding the rear sprocket and you can't really see the front sprocket from the rear with the cover on (nor the swingarm) so i'll remove it soon and get some pics then.
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October 5th, 2010, 04:53 PM | #97 |
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Actually I was thinking the milling will need to be done on the sprocket side. Inside really can't change I don't think.
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October 5th, 2010, 06:25 PM | #98 |
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can't mill the brake bracket like the other guy did?
wheel $$$ > bracket (if you screw up). |
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I say again..... milling the caliper mount only will not work. The Cush hub will need to modified also.
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October 6th, 2010, 10:14 AM | #100 |
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yes exactly. The sprocket must come in closer to the wheel to help alignment with the front sprocket.
So i'm still confused....your going to mill what exactly? where the sprocket sits in to the hub? or on the back where the four metal knobs are that fit into the cush drive? |
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October 6th, 2010, 10:15 AM | #101 |
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the reason he did the milling on the caliper mount was because he wanted to make sure there was enough room for the wheel to fit in the unmodified swingarm.....the way it was before probably wouldn't have left much room for him to work with.
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The chain alignment is fine. The rear sprocket is lined up with the front. The problem is the wheel needs to move to the left. Milling will have to be done where the sprocket fits to the hub. On the dust seal side of the hub. This will allow the sprocket to stay the same but the wheel and tire will move left. Hope this helps. Look up the Bigfoot thread on here and read it carefully. He mentions having alignment issues with the newninja design and also mentions that his kit would come with a new hub which he modified from a stock one. If only there was mention of what mod's he made to it.
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Summary: Newninja (Eric) technique will NOT work Blackrod's technique will in fact work, just a matter of figuring out how he did it
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October 6th, 2010, 01:09 PM | #104 |
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ooooooohhhhhh i see.....so your worried about the front and rear tire being lined up correctly?
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Yep! Very important to me!
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October 6th, 2010, 01:39 PM | #106 |
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ok......haha this entire time i thought you were talking about chain alignment.....thats why i brought up removing the nipples from the cush drive.....this problem is a little more interesting......and hard to figure out.
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Ok these are for reference while we try to figure the hub milling thing out. The first 4 pics are showing what the differences are in a 150 being mounted to the stock wheel compared to the 650R wheel. More pics to follow.
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More pics...
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Here's the last for tonight. I'll start disassembly next.
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So did you end up getting this to align correctly.
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February 3rd, 2011, 12:50 AM | #111 |
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this would be awesome if it worked. skinny rear sucks..got passed by a trailer today..hate feeling the bike slide across the lane
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I have totally dropped the ball on this project. Last thing I determined was the sprocket hub would have to be machined to to center the wheel. This will require doing away with the bearing dust cover which I think is ok since our wheel bearings are sealed. I'll hopefully get back to this shortly.
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Having a wider rear tire will not have any effect on how much your very light bike gets moved around by the wind of passing vehicles. That is a product of having a very light bike.
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you're right...I'm also doing 650r wheel conversion,I've milled everything what can be milled and still didn't manage to achieve perfect center of rim and sprockets...tommorow I'll pick up rim from milling workshop and measure if this time everything is centered...if everything is fine,I'll be happy to share every informacion I can with you guys.
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That would be awesome!!!!
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I thought it would annoy me not using my bike while I tried to get the rim aligned etc I thought if I get the swingarm with chain guard and maybe the brake setup. It becomes like a jig then. |
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February 5th, 2011, 09:53 AM | #119 |
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measured today and still doesn't fit...it's so frustating...i need about 3mm more on left side to have rim centered...I'm not sure where to cut next to get those mm.
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Can you explain what you have done so far? Also, what method are you using to determine if the wheel is centered?
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