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Educated words, kind phrases, or logical arguments are more effective than petty name-calling and ego-trips. It's a new day. Learn from the mistakes of yesterday. Good post as always, Chris.
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March 1st, 2014, 06:05 AM | #82 | |
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I even gave him advice on how to get more experience crashing safely. You resort to name calling BS, I was channeling the Jerky Boys, and had the similie there to note the kidding in my comments. You said you crash a lot, how many years riding/racing do you have in experience? You seem to believe you know it all, I gave advice for a specific crash tactic in specific circumstances answering a question with no detail at all. You know my actual age like you know me, not at all. |
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March 1st, 2014, 06:09 AM | #83 | |
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Yes, I have always admired your talent to communicate in this forum, as well as the quality of your essays (next of which is already past due). I believe that that is natural in some of the members here, like Misty, Akima, Nevadawolf and you. I would say that such talent is extremely rare, as I see more and more people incapable of effectively communicate with others in a constructive way, even when they have rich and abundant experiences. Having a moderate ego, like yours, helps enormously; if you take yourself and your opinions too seriously, you cannot see the true that others may be showing to you as you are too busy jumping into your trench to defend your self-inflated identity and mental security from that terrible "threat". As of today, it is estimated that there are 7.147 billions of different points of view and "important identities" walking on this Earth. That number humbles me a lot !!! You can get busy "correcting" those billions or learning the good things that they have to offer, while calmly showing your "truth" for whoever find it useful. About motorcycles and communication, I have learned much more from your posts, Chris, than what you have written on those !!! Yes, good and loving fathers that have walked life always say really wise words to their children. The little problem is that we hear those words at a moment in life when we know it all and we are bigger than life. Later on, when life finally shows you who is boss and kicks you around enough to the point of crying, some of those wise words finally make sense and we have that humbling moment: Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, ...........this is what he was trying to tell me !!!
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March 1st, 2014, 07:27 AM | #84 |
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Oh, ok.
No I didn't. No I don't. An inference made from your user name and some quotes like you've been crashing longer than I have been alive. Logical conclusion? Relax. All of life (on and off the bike) is better when relaxed.
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March 1st, 2014, 07:33 AM | #85 | |
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Being older does not make one old. My user name has nothing to do with my age. You skimmed right to judgment and know me but from a few words typed on a forum. Quite the drama queen it would seem. I'm quite relaxed, sipping coffee by the wood stove with a Gordon Lightfoot album playing. Try not to assume as much as you do, it might serve you well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eumk7RXSbqc |
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March 1st, 2014, 09:28 AM | #86 | |
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March 1st, 2014, 10:31 AM | #87 |
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We can always find a reason to get offended, but we shouldn't.
After that bad feeling of offense, a violent or upset reaction follows. We have too many ugly words and too much violence going on everywhere, gross or subtle. I would never become upset or violent for no reason, and I believe that nobody should. If we do that on little things like this forum, we will end up killing each other in real life pretty soon. Any form of violence must stop for reason to be. Copied from our portal page: Welcome to ninjette.org, the friendliest Kawasaki Ninja 300/250R site on the net. This website was created so ninjette owners (and potential ninjette owners) can show off their bikes, ask and answer questions about their bikes, and write up the adventures they're having with their bikes....... Before we have to change the title of this perfectly good thread to "How to crash a thread?", I would like giving it a second chance. What is the less damaging way of crashing a bike? That is a question that I have made myself many times. Before reading Misti's link and different posts in this thread, I have learned that I have been wrong regarding relaxing. I always believed that adopting a fetal position would be better in a street crash. Once, I probably suffered a highside fall when my rear wheel locked up at around 35 mph. Soon after I found out that the output shaft sheared off and jammed the chain. I never knew what was going on, my first thought was that I had hit a dog, as that was the squealing noise that the rear tire was making while the bike was fishtailing violently. While I was trying to understand what was happening and how to escape that situation, I heard my helmet hitting the road violently and uncontrollably. There must have been 200 decibels inside that helmet !!! I could never remember the flight from the seat onto the pavement. I never knew or cared what my limbs did during those scary seconds, but I have scars that prove that they were all over the road. As I am not sure that I will have enough mental control to relax and let go next time, I will do all I know and can for avoiding a next time.
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March 3rd, 2014, 01:11 AM | #88 |
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Relax and just let it happen, the more you struggle the more it will hurt...
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March 3rd, 2014, 01:14 AM | #89 |
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i like it but it kinda sounds like something a rapist would say
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March 3rd, 2014, 01:36 AM | #90 | ||
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That's a bold assumption, you may put your hands out to brace yourself, but I usually tuck my shoulder to to land on my side/back where there is more muscle mass to absorb impact. Quote:
May you should take a step back and stop forcing your ideas and assumptions on everyone here. When I saw the question it was more of: hey if you ever crash what do you do so u don't get hurt, question. Many of us have crashed and probably will crash again, why do pros like Pedrosa, Rossi, Lorenzo and Marquez crash? They push the limits. |
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March 3rd, 2014, 01:37 AM | #91 |
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Yeah, I kind of intended to ad some humor to crashing.
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March 3rd, 2014, 08:28 PM | #93 |
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same...
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March 3rd, 2014, 10:11 PM | #94 | |
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oh, right, or rape.
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March 4th, 2014, 07:16 AM | #95 |
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March 4th, 2014, 12:53 PM | #96 |
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March 4th, 2014, 03:20 PM | #97 |
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I'm a wuss about pushing the bike: I am much more comfortable stradling the bike and padding it around in close quarters. I put it on the centerstand while stradling it.
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March 4th, 2014, 08:50 PM | #98 |
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I've gotten decent at pushing my bike out of necessity lol.
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March 30th, 2014, 11:18 AM | #99 |
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Me too, never seemed like a difficult skill to learn lol
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March 30th, 2014, 11:25 AM | #100 |
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Tldr tldr da da da boom de yay...
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May 1st, 2014, 05:06 PM | #101 |
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When i was younger, around 17 I had a nasty crash.
I came around a bend to fast on a friends bike. So I did what I thought was right, I leaned in more and slowed down. Well turned out that I was wrong. I pegged out and low sided. Now if that was it it would be OK. But I refused to give up The bike and held on thinking I could muscle the thing back up right. It dragged me into the ditch and pitched me off into the woods where I landed in a barbed wire fence with the post inches from my face. I survived with a lot of road rash, a broken rib and I five mile stare for a few days. So from then on when I feel that things have gotten to the point where I'm going down I push off from the bike. Idk if it is the right thing to do but I also know that sliding down the road at 40 Is bad enough without a pissed off motorcycle bouncing right next to you. |
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May 1st, 2014, 07:53 PM | #102 |
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My experience is that it's over and done with before you have much of a chance to think about it.
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May 1st, 2014, 11:36 PM | #103 |
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To answer the OP: Doing about 35 when I chickened out and landed in a 6 foot ditch. I kinda just plopped.
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Have you crashed so many times that you know for 100% sure how the bike will react? You speak of a specific situation where your technique will be some advantage while crashing. Look at the crash Mark Marquez had that broke his arm and nearly ended his career. I would wager both of my Ducatis that MM has crashed more than you and has the most experienced and knowlegable coaches on the planet advising him. He lets go of the 380lb missile and lets the safety gear do its job. With the best riders in the world disagreeing with you, your position requires more evidence that there is an actual technique there or just lucky in your experiences. When you are riding (street or track) your brain is busy working the controls and avoiding hazzards. Once things go suddenly sideways as they say, you think that riders have time to perfectly assess that this is the "right" type of crash to apply your technique or would it just be safer 99% of the time to part company with the bike and protect the asset that does not get repaired by bolting new pieces on? Again, not looking to fight just need to know how you teach a rider the analyze the crash in 1000th of a second and determine what is better? I cant find a single expert that recommends staying with the bike/holding on during a crash and everyone I have read/talked to, says get away from the bike. I realize that I may not be understanding your position but I have read and reread the above posts and you dont seem to have explained it any better even after CSmith's post requesting you use another analogy to describe the exact position you are defending. Please let me know exactly when I would use your technique and how to properly identify the exact type of crash I would apply this knowledge to as I want to improve but only verifiable and repeatable results merit further investigation |
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I also think that there are things that can really help with how well you manage during a crash- things like your personal physical fitness and flexibility. The more fit and flexible you are the better, as well as your level of body awareness. I was in gymnastics when I was a kid, an athlete all my life, and a martial artist with a pretty decent awareness of where I am in the air. I know almost instinctively where I am in rotation in the air and so I can make decisions to tuck my head, tuck an arm, turtle, splay etc....Anyway, rambling a bit but I do think that in general, you want to be more relaxed than rigid and more fluid than not. Hard to make those split-second decisions though! MIsti
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December 23rd, 2021, 04:15 AM | #107 |
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Yah it's an old thread but it would be good to hear other comments on this one
..... I crashed HARD on the pavement once , lightly about 3 or 4 times... by that I mean speed related crashing Hard means you have alot of speed crashing lightly means below 20 mph ! .... crashing lightly YAH keep trying to save it till it stops ! LOL because I actually dumped it farting around and got it back up while still moving at a good clip ! yah the handle bars hit the ground ! on a dirt bump and i got it back upright in mid air..... but I've not been that lucky again ! my hard crash was at 50mph on a twisty country paved road i leaned into the corner and the bike just fell over and slid away.... I started tumbling and my fingers were striking the pavement extremely hard and the pain definitely woke me up up to that point i was relaxed I pulled in my arms and crossed them across my chest and straightened my legs and put them together and stiffened every mussel in my body I did several more spins on my side and then did a few end over ends and then slid into the ditch.... no broken bones but I had very sore hands for a week ! .... which is better? relaxed or stiff ? I'd say relaxed... as a thousand times I've dumped it in the dirt and just tried to go with the flow and catch myself the best I could.... that time dumping it on the pavement was the exception as I was caught by surprise and my hands were screaming STOP THIS ! the only thing I could think of was stiffen up so I did.... from that point on I was like a tinker toy tumbling through the air.... I hit hard but not hard enough to break any bones... I had big bruises everywhere but other than that I walked away from it. a stiff body may well prevent injury.... or I suppose it could make it worse .... it's like this, if I was falling off a cliff and going to land on rocks you can bet every mussel in my body would be at maximum tightness. ! your not going to "Relax" when you see the ground coming at you ! even if you were drunk beyond reason.... that just isn't going to happen !.... so what DO you do ???? go with the flow! if your hands hurt pull them in but other wise just slide I stiffened up so much I became a projectile and left the ground completely NOT GOOD... if i had just pulled in my arms I would have just tumbled to a stop possibly damaging my knees in the process because at 50 MPH you spin really fast on your side !!!!! the best answer to this problem is DON"T CRASH ! .... Bob.......
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