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This is so great!
So, you still think no one should have to show i.d? |
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If you look at the below map, there is a surprising correlation to political affiliation if you think about it. Also more Fox shenanigans. |
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If you don't think voter fraud is widespread wait until you see the difference when it is actually allowed to be enforced. It is being opposed so vehemently because it would actually make it harder for non-citizens, dead people and non-existent people to continue stuff ballot boxes for the democrats. Just like enforcing our borders and immigration laws it makes too much sense. Before you call me a racist or a redneck , this is the opinion of a Mexican-American.
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You have to wonder why no one is claiming discrimination about having to show an I.D. for so many other things. |
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If you can't see the difference between a constitutionally protected right that cannot be infringed upon, and checking age restrictions while buying liquor or security requirements when boarding a plane, how could you expect anyone to bother to engage you on this either?
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It amazes me how you on the left can rationalize this. No I take it back it is the M.O.A. |
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I have to show my passport or driver's licence to vote, along with the card sent out to my address & have my name crossed off a list before I'm handed my polling card. No government issued photo id on the day = no vote No voter card = no vote The idea that vested interests are able to register thousands of people who do not exist and have them cast votes without their identity being checked seems like madness. You have the right to vote, the state has the responsibility to make sure only people with the right to vote actually vote |
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The link refutes the arguments presented such as "Oh well you need an ID to do this...." but I guess reading can be hard for most people because it's boring and long. If you dont like that link, here's another source which has a same link to the one I posted last year regarding the Brennan Center study. Of course, if I cant appeal to your rationale then let me appeal to your emotion. Portage County veteran, 86, doesn't vote after VA identification card rejected at polls |
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I seriously believe that some people might really wish for the days of the poll tax, and that is sad. But I don't think everyone who believes in having to show ID to vote has bad intentions. And while I have seen several studies that show that a very small number of people have been caught in voter fraud, the issue remains, "How many more get away with it?" I absolutely believe that voter fraud happens, but I simply haven't seen anything that really has a clue to the true scope, large or small, of the matter. Truthfully, I believe so few citizens have even have a clue about any issues, much less one single issue, that I think it may be time to look into the state legislatures choose the President again. Though our entire political system is pretty corrupt. You've got a few people in there with genuine integrity and the rest are simply out to better their own lives. I don't have time at the moment, but I will look at your link later on.
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This is the left once again trying to manipulate the system, Anyone who can remember Florida in 2000 can tell you just how precious a few votes can be or Minnesota in 2008.
No real reason one would be against voting after having to show your free i.d. |
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Discrimination is singling out one person or a group of people on the grounds of race, background, gender ect... If a policy is applied across the board it is not discriminatory. The only people that requiring an ID to vote discriminates against are people who have something to hide and are not who they say they are. How much more do you think it costs to have the person who hands out polling cards check a driver's licence before handing you your polling card? (Assuming that they don't just have a stack of polling cards for you to take one on the honour system... ) Please pardon my ignorance, but how in the green states on the map is a photo ID required "within a few days after" applied? |
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Good question, I'd be interested to know that as well.
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If the implementation of the voter ID laws was as clear as you've stated, and there were no additional inherent impediments to certain classes of legal voters, this would be a much less significant issue. But it's not.
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Read your link Alex. It was a long one. More or less what I thought it would be. No discrimination of voters since it is a constitutionally protected right to me is a no-brainer.
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Also in order to receive said free ID, you must provide a valid form of ID accepted by the state . So in this case, passport, veteran IDs, college IDs, and various other forms of photo ID may not be accepted. So if you lost your SS card or birth certificate, you are paying to get one, and in this case paying to vote. Hence the argument of the poll tax. So you're asking who does this affect/discriminate against? The hints have been dropped in the links I provided but again for the lazy people, I'll drop this dot. It's the base who usually doesn't vote republican. That's what my inference with the map was about. For those asking about what does that green state mean Quote:
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Whats is the worst that can happen if we give free i.d's and you have to show them to vote? Whats the worst that could happen if there is no checks to see if the voter is valid?
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Alex, I was just referencing the 15th Amendment and it allowing all citizens, regardless of race, creed, national origin, religion, etc., being allowed to vote should be a no-brainer. The 15th Amendment was drafted specifically to allow black males, who up to that point were slaves, the right to vote. Of course, the Democrats used any number of tricks, like the poll tax, to make sure that didn't happen. Hence the no discrimination sentence, which looking at it now, does look sloppy and incoherent. I hope this is more clear.
Anyone who has a basic understanding of U.S. history should know this, but then again, I give people more credit than I probably should. So, if one wants to implement a "Show ID to Vote" in one's state, then it should be obvious that people below a certain threshold should be given the ID free of charge. I don't have a problem with my tax dollars being used that way, as they should have an ID anyway.
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Wait wait wait...... you actually believe a report from a "multi-year investigation" into voter fraud done by the Bush administration? The joke is most certainly on you then.
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Hmmmmm
Georgia actually had record turnout after voter I.D. laws. |
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The clear analogy to point out why this is wrongheaded was the privacy vs. surveillance issue. Just because one values privacy doesn't mean one is committing a crime.
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i dont see how this is a privacy issue. However when it comes down to it is it worth extra tax payer dollars? idk... probably not if they had to issue new IDs to everyone...
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Just as a side point we appear to be looking at the right to vote from opposite sides too, I don't see it as a right that can't be taken away, I see it as an obligation to the state. (even if it's a case of voting one group of traitors out & another group of traitors in) |
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Looks like some on here would love to be able to manipulate the system and cheat to win at any cost. To rationalize against having to have a i.d. to vote shows a lot.
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It's not rationalizing against having an ID, no matter how much you try to appeal to the simple-minded (or simply are simple-minded). It's combating a cynical and transparent effort to change the outcomes of elections with anti-constitutional mandates.
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I still see some people falling into the "you must show ID argument" when I demonstrated sometimes it isn't enough. There is also the issue of people not understanding that false voter registration isn't the same as voter fraud. |
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I wonder if voter ID laws would have prevented Charlie White's voter fraud? He was the Indiana Sec. of State convicted of various felonies including voter fraud and theft. http://www.wbez.org/story/indiana%E2...ntencing-96638
Secretary of state is top election official, no telling how deep the corruption runs as he claims innocence even still, says Governor Mitch Daniels has committed same fraudulent acts. Irony is both are conservativees, and more importantly, both swore oaths to uphold their Constitutions, both state and federal. Votor ID is specifically targeted at those who tend to vote Democrat, the poor, elderly, and marginal in our society. All evidence and facts support this, and support the fact that it is an expensive solution looking for a non-existent problem. The kindest word I can come up with to describe those folks who believe otherwise is "hallucinatory". |
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God what a bunch of socialists we have here!
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