August 3rd, 2012, 09:53 PM | #81 |
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The creator of this thread is really saying, " im an insecure childish f**k tard that has to compensate for a little penis with a 1000cc bike, but like to talk smack to everyone else because I was picked on by everyone in middle school."
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:02 PM | #82 | |
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:05 PM | #83 |
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:12 PM | #84 |
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:14 PM | #85 | |
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August 4th, 2012, 08:24 AM | #86 |
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So... you coming here and calling someone else a name isn't childish either?
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August 4th, 2012, 08:34 AM | #87 |
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August 4th, 2012, 08:50 AM | #88 |
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@Jiggles
That's great jiggles Also, I do completely agree about the new 250. I don't like how it looks (looks like a squooshed zx10r) and I feel like you won't be as involved. Price is a lot higher too. Also, what color is yours? You have my favorite year.
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August 4th, 2012, 08:54 AM | #89 |
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If I had a quarter for the number of times Jiggles has pulled me out of a fire, I'd be in debt.
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August 4th, 2012, 09:05 AM | #90 |
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You'll get used to it. Try not to get too worked up over internet stuff. Jiggles makes a lot of posts per day. Most likely out of boredom. Just don't read his posts if you don't want to. He's also not the only one to make silly posts in order to garner attention. This particular post wasn't all that bad though. At least he hasn't started to refer to himself in the 3rd person.... yet.
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August 4th, 2012, 09:12 AM | #91 |
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Yeah...nickjpass refers to himself in the third person point of view occasionally.
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August 4th, 2012, 10:44 AM | #92 |
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The good and the bad:
* fairings - i prefer how my ninjette looks. The new ninjette looks a bit angry and angsty... like it has confidence issues so it has to * seat cowl - THAT looks awesome! * digital gauge - I prefer my analogue gauge * integrated turn signals - I love them!... but not enough to make me want to get a new ninjette. the after market ones you can get for my bike all look a bit crude IMO * rubber washers around the engine to reduce vibration - seriously? so little has changed that one of your selling points are rubber washers! also - I like the vibrations from my ninjette! * different wheel style - like Jiggles said: it looks rubbish! * IRC TYRES AGAIN!!! - Imagine how much nicer the stock ninjette would be if it simply had a pair of DRII tyres on instead! * FI - that's not a new feature for me. I'm glad to have it. I'm not interested in playing around with carbs * "Exhaust is gay" - not how I would put it, but I agree with Jiggles sentiment. * heavier - boooo! * ABS - Yey! I'd absolutely love to have that on my ninjette. If it's possible I might try and buy the 2013 ninjette ABS parts and get them installed on my 2011 ninjette. * ergonomically designed tank - if it really does make it easier to hold your weight off the tank, then that's a good decision * I'm not certain, but looking at the photos it looks like the kickstand mount might be removable. I've heard about frequent track-riders in here sawing their stand-mount off to stop it hitting the ground on tight corners. If Kawi have made it unscrewable, then that makes it much more convenient to run a dual-use ninjette (track and road). * stock rear hugger - Great that they added it, but it's hardly a selling point. They're only like £30 to buy for the 2008+ ninjette. Comparing the 2013 ninjette with my 2011, the only green item listed of any substance is the ABS. Everything else seems quite superficial. 2013_ninjette.png |
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August 4th, 2012, 12:25 PM | #93 | |
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I'm also gna need a +1 to my ignore list counter @akima I think kawi did very well with the new 250 (aside from the wheels and exhaust). Their intent is to sell as many motorcycles as possible and I think this new model will succeed very well. Adding EFI and ABS to the bike will now make it utterly retarded to buy a cbr250 over the ninja 250. They also made it look like the larger CC bikes thus ensuring the safety of many men's penis size. They also might have killed all those extra sales with the increased price, we'll just have to wait and see. And while I greatly prefer the newgen over the supergen in many aspects I think they will hit their mark of increased sales.
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August 4th, 2012, 08:33 PM | #94 |
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So how much will the previous generations drop in price because of the new one? Will it be cheaper too buy one?
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August 4th, 2012, 08:41 PM | #95 |
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I'm not really impressed with the new one so far. I'm on the fence about the looks and I don't really think EFI is needed for a bike like this. The only thing I really would have liked to see was more HP. I'm guessing the engine is still the same, just with EFI? I would take that gauge cluster though, but the bike looks like every other Kawi now. I'm sure they'll sell a lot of them since most people buying these bikes are new riders and have no mechanical skills. I personally like having to work on my bike and I don't mind pulling out carbs and changing jets. The 08+ are great vehicles for people to start learning basic mechanics. Plenty of easy stuff to learn to do to it in a nice tiny package unlike starting with a car.
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August 4th, 2012, 08:51 PM | #96 | |
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August 4th, 2012, 09:49 PM | #97 |
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I would love to get the previous gen for a cheaper price.
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August 4th, 2012, 09:53 PM | #98 |
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August 4th, 2012, 10:10 PM | #99 | |
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August 4th, 2012, 10:34 PM | #100 | |
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August 5th, 2012, 07:42 AM | #101 | |
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August 5th, 2012, 09:22 PM | #102 | |
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The liquid-cooled, dohc, eight-valve, 249cc parallel-Twin will almost certainly be fuel-injected, despite the disclaimer that EFI will not be available in all markets. (If competing against the rival Honda is the Ninja’s intent, injection would seem to be mandatory: In back-to-back testing for our comparison, the carbureted 2011 Kawasaki was not able to fuel as crisply as the injected Honda.) In an effort to endow the new Ninja with more-precise fueling, give it better throttle response, improve what is already excellent fuel economy and reduce emissions, the engineers have fitted it with dual-butterfly throttle bodies. Other engine changes include new cases with a larger oil sump, die-cast aluminum sleeveless cylinders treated with an anti-friction coating, anodized crankshaft journals also for reduced friction, new pistons and increased engine-cooling performance. All of it adds up to a power plant that should be more efficient and that Kawasaki claims has more bottom-end and mid-range power. |
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August 5th, 2012, 09:29 PM | #103 |
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I just realized something. The 250 will most likely completely destroy the cbr...
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August 5th, 2012, 09:37 PM | #104 |
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Oh it will.. do you know how long you have to wait here after you order the ninjette from dealer? Friggin 3 months! And people are still willing to wait eagerly! Sales of ninja 250 vs cbr 250 this Q1: 2100 / month vs 900 / month.
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Imagine what a well tuned efi system will do.... In order to upstage the new ninja, honda will have to either upgrade to 2cyl 250cc motor or make a 350-400 cc beginner bike. |
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August 5th, 2012, 09:49 PM | #106 | |
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Don't expect the stock efi system to be "well tuned" I imagine it will be only slightly better than stock carbs and will need a power commander in order to get the real benefit of EFI
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August 6th, 2012, 04:39 AM | #107 | |
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August 6th, 2012, 08:46 AM | #108 |
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The only plus for me is the FI.
The styling is definitely angry-supersport, whereas the existing (new and oldgen) Ninjettes can be an everyman's bike. Ditto on the geometry. Looks like the default position will be more forward. Again, if you're into the supersport/racing position, great; the neutral riding position looks like a thing of the past. All the people who like flushmount lights will like the bodywork; I like people to SEE my lights, so I don't. ABS is good but it is an extra cost. Lastly, the FI of course won't retrofit to our bikes, so we'll still be stuck with 10 less mpg and fussing with carbs. Sorry, Jiggles, tuning and cleaning are not part of my motorcycle enjoyment; every moment spent on that stuff is one moment not riding. So ... I guess with the new model, the CBR and Ninjette will no longer be really competing for the same people. |
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August 6th, 2012, 02:05 PM | #110 | |
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I must disagree with you here. I commuted on my 250 almost every day when I had it: hot or cold, rain or shine, it made no difference to me. The ONLY thing I hated about the '09 I had was the choice to use carburetion in the U.S. market as opposed to EFI. Dealing with having to let the bike up for as long as ten minutes before it was rideable was a pain in the ass.
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Honda didn't spend money on R&D to make a world bike that had to be redesigned as soon as the competition came out with something to challenge them. That CBR isn't all out of tricks already. The fact that Kawasaki has already redesigned the Ninjette after a very long period of barely changed minor revisions shows that they are aware that Honda does have a presence in the segment, regardless of what sales numbers show, especially when those sales numbers are just U.S. sales.
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August 6th, 2012, 02:13 PM | #111 | |
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August 6th, 2012, 02:30 PM | #112 |
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Sean you must have missed the part of my statement about riding hot or COLD.
Yes, sometimes in 25-40 degree weather the bike required ten minutes before it was safe to operate. It would often require a solid minute or two on the choke before I could open it and the bike not stall. Even once the bike could idle, it would often stall under all but the most minute of throttle application. Several times after I believed the bike was ready to roll, I hopped on, made it down the driveway, and started to pull out on to the road. Five minutes or so have passed by this time and I still had a problem with applying enough throttle to get the bike to do more than crawl without stalling. A few times I pulled out on to the road believing the bike ready to go and it started to stall. It became a safety issue on an occasion or two as I thought the bike ready to roll and I pull out onto the road only to have it stutter and buck hesitantly. It scared the crap out of me knowing that a car could be blazing around the blind corner with no way of knowing I was there. It generally started faster above 40 degrees, but it required a choke up to about 65 or so degrees most of the time.
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August 6th, 2012, 02:33 PM | #113 |
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I can't speak for temps that low, the coldest I've started up is around 36 degrees in the morning in the winter. Even so I would only idle the bike for about a minute. I ride with the choke on, do you not? It sounds like you need to rejet or something
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August 6th, 2012, 02:49 PM | #114 |
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No, I never touched the jets. I thought about it at one point but I ended up spending the money on a paved driveway. Besides, I shouldn't have to fix a problem from the factory, which is why I much prefer fuel injection. Maybe it isn't tuned perfectly from the factory for maximum performance or for maximum economy, but it works well enough that an owner doesn't need to mess with it. Not true of the carbs that the 250 comes with. I was going to do the washer trick but I just couldn't be bothered to waste my time with it.
I ended up getting to the point where I had to ride with the choke on if I was running late and it was still stalling, but I realized quickly it was going to be a problem so I jsut ran outside and fired the bike up and let it warm up while I put my gear on. It wasn't terribly hard to work around for me, but I won't purcahse a new bike without FI, and any used bikes I may pick up that use carbs are going to be bargains. I really enjoyed being able to take my ex-wife's TU on the really cold days. It stared with no problem and was rideable immediately. What can I say, I just don't like carbs. I don't have the bike anymore so I can't say it's a problem now.
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But to Jiggles' question, why wouldn't you ride with the choke on for the first few minutes? That's how it should be used in cold conditions. Start it on the choke, and if the bike won't idle without the choke on, leave it on while you roll away. Start dialing the choke back after a minute or two, and all is well.
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August 6th, 2012, 03:18 PM | #117 |
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Haha c'mon it's not ugly, it just doesn't say "250"
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'86-'07 the "Pre-Gen"
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August 6th, 2012, 03:35 PM | #119 | |
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'08-'12 the "New-Gen" '13-?? the "Super-Gen" Cuz it looks like a damn supersport
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people that aren't limited to 33hp and limited to less than $8k will find the 2cyl easier to work power out of. honda may not be out of tricks, but they have a real hard battle ahead of them. |
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