Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[Surferboy120]

I just put my deposit down yesterday on a non abs version with no price issues at all. Sure I am being charged to have a front tire put on and delivery but the price is $4799 non abs and $5499 with abs. I don't have the exact total in front of me but there is NO increase of MSRP at least from my dealer.

Also...
I should receive mine as early as next month or end of Nov....

[Heed]

Originally Posted by Surferboy120

I just put my deposit down yesterday on a non abs version with no price issues at all. Sure I am being charged to have a front tire put on and delivery but the price is $4799 non abs and $5499 with abs. I don't have the exact total in front of me but there is NO increase of MSRP at least from my dealer.

Also...
I should receive mine as early as next month or end of Nov....

keep us updated. I wanna know the grand total

[dino74]

Did they put the kick stand mount in a better location? Having to grind off the kick stand mount for track riding blows!

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by Heed

1. How much do you think it'll cost to get a Ninja 300 out the door?

I think a lot of people are being fooled by seeing that the MSRP is only ~$600 or so more expensive than that of a 2012 Ninja 250R...But I think dealers are going to want an arm and a leg added to that.

2. Is the 300 even worth a beginner's trouble? I'm still searching for my first motorcycle. There's just a few things that shy me away from the Ninja 300:

-price
-the probability that I'll drop a brand new bike
-and maybe weight. I'm a small 135 Lb guy.


I wonder if
A). these things will be around in the winter?
B). will they be cheaper by then?

You being a small guy won't matter because I'm only 5'3" and 140 pounds and the weight isn't a factor to me. My short legs are a hindrance but not the weight of the bike. The new 300 is very nice looking compared to the 250, but if you do drop a brand new bike you will definitely be pissed at yourself. You will have to ask yourself if you can live with a (insert days here) old bike that is already "damaged". I bought my 250 used and it was already scratched on one side which I presumed the previous owner dropped while learning to ride. The scratches didn't bother me because I figured I would end up adding more as I'm learning; it turns out I have been lucky to not drop it after 18 months of riding. Seeing as how it is a brand new model I personally don't think it will drop in price much until the hype has dropped so you might not find it for too cheap. On the other hand, the 250 will probably drop in price which means if you want a brand new bike, you can walk into a dealer after the 300 comes out and haggle for a very cheap 250.

[Jatan]

Originally Posted by Surferboy120

I just put my deposit down yesterday on a non abs version with no price issues at all. Sure I am being charged to have a front tire put on and delivery but the price is $4799 non abs and $5499 with abs. I don't have the exact total in front of me but there is NO increase of MSRP at least from my dealer.

Also...
I should receive mine as early as next month or end of Nov....

I think the MSRP stays the same but you just have to watch out for dealer fees that they add to your total price which may vary dealer to dealer

If you guys are calling dealers to price it out then ask for the price of the bike and also ask for your total OTD price to see what it actually is

Not all dealers will try to rip people off but some will so its better to shop around -- if you are putting down a deposit then get the total price quote in writing so theres no misunderstandings later on when you go pick up the bike

[Surferboy120]

Originally Posted by Jatan

I think the MSRP stays the same but you just have to watch out for dealer fees that they add to your total price which may vary dealer to dealer

If you guys are calling dealers to price it out then ask for the price of the bike and also ask for your total OTD price to see what it actually is

Not all dealers will try to rip people off but some will so its better to shop around -- if you are putting down a deposit then get the total price quote in writing so theres no misunderstandings later on when you go pick up the bike

I completely agree and that's what I did to make sure I had no surprises later.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by dirty nasty

Looks to me like the clip-ons and rearsets are identical to those that fit the newgen 250.

I'm wondering what the numbers with that exhaust look like though

[msebastian]

I asked this in another thread but I will try here since I did not get a response. Does the SE green/ebony cost extra for the non abs version. I saw that that is the standard color for the abs version. Also which version of the new 300 are you interested in or getting, and is abs really worth the extra $900.

[Jiggles]

yes, no

[Heed]

only solid colors are white and black? :/ could've swore there was a red unless i'm mistaking it for the '13 250r

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Alex

I thought chone's 0-60 thread put to bed the belief that the pregens were monsters while the newgens were neutered mice.

monsters?



They were about the same speed to 60 n4wmd. I've topped out at 102 on the track, about the same as a newgen.

[msebastian]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

yes, no

So, yes it will cost extra for the SE non abs and no abs is not worth the extra $900. That is fine because I really like the stardust pearl white.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by kbryant

$5499 msrp

Kerry,

Is there a new exhaust system in the plans?

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Kerry,

Is there a new exhaust system in the plans?

Perhaps by some form of fairy magic the current Area P pipe will fit on the new one perfectly

[Surferboy120]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Perhaps by some form of fairy magic the current Area P pipe will fit on the new one perfectly

If a full system it will need a bung for O2 for the ECU and probably a programmable ECU. Slip on ...hmmmm...

[Jiggles]

Who needs crappy stock O2s that don't do anything. AP and POWER COMMANDER!!!

Although wouldn't it be cool if @ecotrons could make just the ECU for the new 300 and you just pop that sucker in and let it self tune!

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Surferboy120

If a full system it will need a bung for O2 for the ECU and probably a programmable ECU. Slip on ...hmmmm...

The indonesian one seems to have a programmable ecu from what I've been reading on this site. A bung in the exhaust is no biggie.

They already make power commanders for the european 250's. Same idea here.

Slip-on = fart cannon. Nothing more.

[Surferboy120]

I agree with you both. I like having an O2 sensor for tuning as long as the ECU management will let you lock it into closed loop for tuning to get the maps dialed in.

[choneofakind]

You'll be fine putting a bung on an aftermarket exhaust in the same spot as it's in on the stock system. Yoshi does this for the European 250's. There's an oxygen sensor bung in the mid-pipe.

So you'll be good to run an aftermarket full system and keep your oxygen sensor. no fart cannon needed

[Jatan]

Originally Posted by msebastian

I asked this in another thread but I will try here since I did not get a response. Does the SE green/ebony cost extra for the non abs version. I saw that that is the standard color for the abs version. Also which version of the new 300 are you interested in or getting, and is abs really worth the extra $900.

Looking at Kawi's website, for the 2012 250 they showed a range of $4199-$4449 MSRP, but for the 300 it only shows $4799 and 300 ABS only shows $5499

250: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Pro...?scid=6&id=553
300: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/pro...?scid=6&id=717
300 ABS: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/pro...?scid=6&id=718

Some websites have been saying $4999 for the green non-ABS:
http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/...ja-300-preview
http://www.studentnews.ie/kawasaki-t...0-to-u-s-7419/

Either Kawi is still updating the website so check every few days for MSRP updates or they may just sell all 3 colors at $4799

[Heed]

if they're all the same price (which I doubt), sign me up for the ebony/green.

[MNDruggist]

I stopped by my local dealer today. Best price I could get was $100 off the non-ABS MSRP down to $4700. After MN sales tax and license, my out the door price is $5467.68

I was a tough call because they have 2 red 2012 models in the showroom with a sticker price of $3850.00 They bought them from another dealer that went out of business, and that is why they were priced so low.

I was told it was about a 2 month wait unitil my 300 would be in stock. The dealer also said orders could be sent on friday, and most likely anything after the initial order would be backordered for over 6 months.

[Jiggles]

Haha backordered for 6 mo. yea, sure

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

Then look at the references. [5] links to the 1988 service manual supplement, which does have that 38 ps rating. [11] links to a comparison done in 2008 between the 2007 & 2008 models:

For a peak power difference of 1 hp between the models by that point.

I don't know why this keeps coming up over and over again, I thought chone's 0-60 thread put to bed the belief that the pregens were monsters while the newgens were neutered mice.

For the point of my post, I was referring to peak HP at the crank and not power curves at the wheel. The older manual lists a higher HP than the newer manuals (38 vs 36), but its the same exact engine. I don't know why there is a discrepancy.

While the 0-60 thread was interesting, it was far from scientific. Comparing jetted newgens with area-p exhausts against stock pregens with 15 tooth sprockets wasn't exactly fair. There was also a lot of variance with rider weight and skill which can have a huge effect on times.

[Jatan]

Its good that you got at least $100 off and no crazy dealer fees were added on

No way it'll be b/o for 6 months -- demand will be high in the beginning so they may not be able to keep bikes on the showroom floor, but there will be bikes to sell

Kawi will be building these bikes at max capacity for a while (unless theres a natural disaster)

[Lil_Green_Demon]

Originally Posted by MNDruggist

I stopped by my local dealer today. Best price I could get was $100 off the non-ABS MSRP down to $4700. After MN sales tax and license, my out the door price is $5467.68

I was a tough call because they have 2 red 2012 models in the showroom with a sticker price of $3850.00 They bought them from another dealer that went out of business, and that is why they were priced so low.

I was told it was about a 2 month wait unitil my 300 would be in stock. The dealer also said orders could be sent on friday, and most likely anything after the initial order would be backordered for over 6 months.

That was probably their way of saying, "Hey, we want your money today."

[Alex]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

For the point of my post, I was referring to peak HP at the crank and not power curves at the wheel.

Sure, but your post was misleading, and didn't support the point your were trying to make. "The 300 just gets us back to where the pregens were anyway"

Originally Posted by n4mwd

The older manual lists a higher HP than the newer manuals (38 vs 36), but its the same exact engine. I don't know why there is a discrepancy.

This has also been posted on this site, in threads that you have been involved with, over and over again. The timing was cut back several times, the rev limiter was cut back several times, and the emissions controls changed over the years. Also - there wasn't an updated service manual supplement for many years, so even that 36 ps number is suspect as applied to the latest pregens.

Originally Posted by n4mwd

While the 0-60 thread was interesting, it was far from scientific. Comparing jetted newgens with area-p exhausts against stock pregens with 15 tooth sprockets wasn't exactly fair. There was also a lot of variance with rider weight and skill which can have a huge effect on times.

Sure, but not a single pre-gen got anywhere close to the mythical 5.7 seconds that was oft-quoted as demonstrating why the pregens were significantly more powerful.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Alex

Sure, but not a single pre-gen got anywhere close to the mythical 5.7 seconds that was oft-quoted as demonstrating why the pregens were significantly more powerful.

My stock ninja also didn't do as well as the 7 second 0-60s stated for the newgens, but I guess my starts were poop

[kingkang204]

If Costco offers the program for the 300, I might just have to pick one up.

[msebastian]

Originally Posted by Jatan

Looking at Kawi's website, for the 2012 250 they showed a range of $4199-$4449 MSRP, but for the 300 it only shows $4799 and 300 ABS only shows $5499

250: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Pro...?scid=6&id=553
300: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/pro...?scid=6&id=717
300 ABS: http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/pro...?scid=6&id=718

Some websites have been saying $4999 for the green non-ABS:
http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/...ja-300-preview
http://www.studentnews.ie/kawasaki-t...0-to-u-s-7419/

Either Kawi is still updating the website so check every few days for MSRP updates or they may just sell all 3 colors at $4799

Talked to my local Kawi dealer and the SE green/ebony is $4,999 for the non abs version. That is the only color for the abs version. Your other pricing is correct. $4,799 for non abs, $4,999 SE non abs, and $5,499 for abs.

[Heed]

Originally Posted by MNDruggist

I stopped by my local dealer today. Best price I could get was $100 off the non-ABS MSRP down to $4700. After MN sales tax and license, my out the door price is $5467.68

I was a tough call because they have 2 red 2012 models in the showroom with a sticker price of $3850.00 They bought them from another dealer that went out of business, and that is why they were priced so low.

I was told it was about a 2 month wait unitil my 300 would be in stock. The dealer also said orders could be sent on friday, and most likely anything after the initial order would be backordered for over 6 months.

That OTD price sounds reasonable I think. Where I live it would be $5280 for msrp and tax. IDK how much license and title should cost.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Alex

Sure, but not a single pre-gen got anywhere close to the mythical 5.7 seconds that was oft-quoted as demonstrating why the pregens were significantly more powerful.

True dat. Jiggles and I both got to low 6's. I still didn't post that video... I gotta find that sometime. I owe Jono some footage.

Anyhow, I'm a string bean. My was jetted with a full exhaust. I likely could have launched better, but if I didn't get it, I doubt it's easily done. I would just be thrilled to see a 6-flat time to 60.

[Jiggles]

I'm on a mission to break 6 seconds

[choneofakind]

It's all in the launch. I did a nice hard launch last time I was home to beat someone off the light and get to an entrance ramp. Dumb, but that launch was really something Just a hint of a wheelie (like just enough to get a wiggly front end) and I got all the clutch engaged asap. It rocketed to 35 from 0.

I think I might be able to get down to 6.15 or so. 6 is going to be hard, especially now that I'm running 15/45 gearing

[Jiggles]

Go even bigger in the gearing so second hits 60

[choneofakind]

Theoretically, if I tap the limiter in 2nd at 14,500 rpm, 2nd gear will get me going 60.9 mph.

So it might still work. I need to get my top end figured out


Sorry for going so OT here. Jiggles and I are scheming.

[Jiggles]

Ah, well do that then!

I am having problem shifting at wot on my 250. I've lowered the shifter so its easy to hit yet it seems like I'm never fully clicking it into gear, and it only happens when I'm doing a WOT run. Then it will either fall into neutral/pseudo neutral or when I go to shift it fully shifts into the gear I was just in. Its super annoying

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Alex

Sure, but your post was misleading, and didn't support the point your were trying to make. "The 300 just gets us back to where the pregens were anyway"

Actually the point I was trying to make is that the Ninja 300 is only rated just slightly above the 1988 Pregen. This is Kawasaki's own numbers. It would seem that we should be getting a lot more than 2 HP for the extra 50 cc's.

In any case, Kawasaki sport bikes have consistently come in a little better than HP=cc/10 at the rear wheel. I didn't see any independent dyno runs out there, but I'm sure they will pop up soon enough. It will be interesting to see if the 300 can measure up to the expected 30-32 HP at the rear wheel.

One other thing is that I haven't seen anything about the MPG or Top Speed of the Ninja 300 yet. There have been references that the 300 does better than the newgen in terms of MPG, but I haven't found anything to confirm that yet.

[Racer x]

With out any information I would guess the pre gen bike made its peak hores power above 10000 rpm. And I will guess the new 300 makes its power from 6500 on up.And have a nice wide power band.

[wayanlam]

this is lame, i was hopiong that we would also get the 300 here

instead they give us a castrated 250cc version of your 300!

although i wonder if it is possible to mod the new 250 into a 300 by changing a couple parts with the US/Australian models, to get the longer stroke, since the bore is the same size!

sorta really want this new model bike... lol