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I guess it comes from me being a critical thinking and an electronic technician used to having to troubleshoot stuff that causes me to pick up on details others might miss. I'm glad we could figure out how this started between you two, now I hope we can all come to some form of understanding and not let heated emotions get in the way of friendship on a very nice community forum? |
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July 26th, 2011, 09:41 AM | #122 | |
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You could say it's too much to ask... but it isn't: he clearly saw the cages, they did not fall from the sky, nor they jumped from the brush into the road. Thus, he was aware of them - from awareness should come anticipation, and preparedness - by always leaving yourself a way out, and being spring-loaded to execute the avoidance maneuver at any moment. |
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July 26th, 2011, 10:11 AM | #123 | |
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turn lane. both making a left hand turn. we both go at the same time, but i went a little slower than they did (not to mention the fact they had the inside line so a shorter distance to travel). the guy slammed on his brakes directly after the turn, i was just barely picking up to go straight when the chick cut over and hit me. i tried my best to pick it up as much as i could to the right while braking... unfortunately there wasn't enough room with the curb and wall, and she hit my front wheel/front head area of the bike with her rear bumper/quarter panel, stopped ahead after and looked, then fled. was there any indication he was going to slam his brakes? no. was there any indication she was going to cut over because he slammed his brakes? not if there wasn't an indication he was going to randomly slam his brakes for no reason. (there was no obstruction, nothing... i think maybe he realized he was going the wrong way or something? maybe he wanted to stop and chat with the people waiting in the opposing red light? really not sure why he slammed his brakes at all... there was no reason for it that i can come to... maybe hes just a dick) the reasons for why someone does something unpredictable are pointless. the fact is, it was unpredictable. people don't normally slam on their brakes for no reason. people don't normally have their tires blow out and flip their car into oncoming traffic. but guess what, these things happen. if you want to risk your skin or potentially your life because you believe random occurances don't happen and you're smart enough to know everything in advanced, by all means, don't wear gear. if anyone feels this way, let me know when you get hit by a car while not wearing gear... if you can still type. i'd like to hear how you feel about your statements then.
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July 26th, 2011, 10:15 AM | #124 | |
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What would of been the avoidance maneuver? Maybe he should have been in the right third of his lane so he had more space to maneuver or should he have sped up and been ahead of the cars instead of somewhere between them? Maybe he should have just pulled as far to the right wall as he could? I'm asking cause I'm not experienced myself and I'd like to know what more experienced riders would do to prevent being in this situation. I have an intersection around where I live where cars are notorious for hopping lanes at the last possible second without turn signals so they can either make it to the freeway on ramp or get out of the way of the freeway on ramp. I hate that intersection and I always drive through it more carefully than others because I'm expecting an idiot to change langes instantly without any signals. |
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July 26th, 2011, 10:25 AM | #125 | |
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but i would like to know the "proper" avoidance maneuver. aside from maybe get better at braking
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If a person cut into my lane or suddenly turn in front of me without signal nor pre-warning, I'd hit them square on, if there is a wall on the other side of me. Walls don't move, don't follow traffic laws, . Put the fault at the inconsiderate driver, not my own action that cause me to go down. If the driver happens to drive a Lexus or Mercedes, I'd like to be set for life and not have to work for a living. Come to think of it, I easily out corner most if not all cars from a stoplight, especially with my Ninja 250 because it is lightweight. Never would I have been waiting for cars to turn ahead of me from a stoplight. I'd pass on the outside even before the first car had a chance to slow down. In Alex.S words: Quote:
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Debate did not start between the two of us, I was merely observing and wondering about some of the same questions that Alex.S seems to be avoiding from "A" in regard to the accident. Riding cautiously, getting yourself out of trouble to avoiding accidents all together is more important than any gear you can put on yourself to protect you from injuries. Fully geared-up rider doesn't necessarily project responsible rider to most people.. most of the time I consider them riders who think themselves as know-it-alls and want ride more aggressively than really need to. |
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July 26th, 2011, 10:28 AM | #127 | |
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So you first claim that alex.s is riding too timidly (not taking off fast enough, not paying attention) then you do a 180 and say that you view those in ATGATT as overly aggressive drivers? So which is it? Wear your gear and be an aggressive driver or not wear you gear and be a squid? Are you saying that you are a better rider because you DON'T wear ATGATT? You aren't making much sense here. |
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July 26th, 2011, 12:02 PM | #129 | |
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July 26th, 2011, 12:12 PM | #130 |
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July 26th, 2011, 12:38 PM | #131 |
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Hey guys, how about taking the "debate" to private messages instead of cluttering up the topic for the OP, I mean, it would be horrible to have a 2 page argument right in the middle of his topic.
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July 26th, 2011, 12:47 PM | #132 | |
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Without a police report that clearly provide the details such as where the impact occur in the intersection, where the impact occur on both vehicle (i.e. passenger side door vs clutch side handlebar), when the impact occur in relation to the traffic signals, etc.. all I can do is to use critical thinking as you mentioned, assume the possibilities what occurred prior to impact. Yes, motorcyclists should have precognition if they want to survive on public streets with crazy drivers. If they don't, they better have lot of exposure to crazy drivers to be able to predict the outcomes of their own actions when crazy things occur..* if not, they are likely to end up as statistics. Quote:
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Where are you getting your statistics from? can you provide a source? is that global stats or just local where you live? I think everyone should be allowed to decide what gear they want to wear when they ride. If they don't survive, statistics they become.. not a big deal. Maybe I am suicidal, I know when some Lexus or Mercedes cut into my lane, I'm aiming to hit a payday. Quote:
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The point of the debate started with people arguing the idea of ATGATT on every ride. Some come across as having the attitude of "Well I'm such a good, responsible rider, and it's just a short trip, I won't need my gear this time cause I can avoid an accident because of how skilled I am." This attitude is dangerous for we never know what might happen. I know this personally having had a lady hit me a few weeks ago. Nothing could have predicted her actions and nothing I could have done to avoid it other than just not being there at that time and place. Since you have no control over other people's actions, and you own proper safety gear, why would you even take the chance of greater injury to yourself by choosing to not wear your gear every time you ride. That's like choosing to not wear your seat-belt and turn off the airbags because you feel you are in complete control and won't get into an accident on this drive. Quote:
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With this sort of attitude you make it sound as if you and your "superior" skills might have also avoided my accident a few weeks back. You should never assume you could do better in any accident case. You don't know what can happen, how you will react, how your bike will react, or how those around you will react in any given situation. All you can do is hope that your training and experience are enough for your instincts to pull from in order to escape accidents as they suddenly appear. |
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all i was saying is that i do not believe what you observed is accurate; not saying that you didn't witness what you did, but saying that its as easily to get killed or hurt riding a scooter as it is to ride a motorbike. again, you dont need to be going 100mph to kill yourself. in some cases you dont even need to be moving at all to die or get hurt on a bike (or a bicycle/on foot, in that case, lol) if someone wipes you out. ive seen accidents where the person was only doing 10~20 MPH, but because his daughter in the back seat was not wearing a helmet, and slammed her head on the road when she came off, she had a seizure and was out right there on the spot....... dont know what happened to her in the end, but its not a nice memory. (besides the point, but still along the same lines); i would love to see some people who think they are extremely experienced drivers come to a country like Indonesia, or even worse, Laos or Vietnam, and hop on a bike. i can guarantee that you will need quite some time to adjust to the driving habits of the general population here. you need to learn to go with the flow basically. there are no real road regulations, people buy their drivers licenses, they don't do any exams, kids at the age of 10 (without licenses) hop on their parents scooters and bum around on the main roads. it all adds up to a general chaos, where anything can happen. this factor of random unpredictable occurrences, which can and will always happen anywhere in the world (but more so here, lol) can easily take out even the most experienced riders. sometimes there is just no way out. So, i believe that what is being said here (repetitively it seems) is that BY wearing gear, if you get into a predicament where EVEN if you are an extremely good/confident/experienced rider, that would cause you to have an accident, your chances of making it through alive, or less hurt, is greatly improved. i really dont think that there is a correlation between riding skill and wearing gear... i mean a obviously a newbee rider should definitely wear gear, since they are more likely to make a mistake that could lead to an accident, but even when you are a biker God... anything can still happen, which is when you are really grateful that you had the gear on, or regret that you didn't, which probably happens more often . to tell others that you would not have had an accident had you been in their shoes, or had they been better riders, is rather arrogant. there are so many factors, predictable or not, in each accident, that its impossible to predict the outcome with any changes. people could always say "had he/she/I left the house 10 seconds later/earlier, then i would not have been hit by the car", but thats not the case, we left when we did, we drove the speed that we did, and had the accident the way it happened. obviously if you drive like a lunatic, and take unnecessary risks (wheelies, stoppies, burnouts, knee dragging, etc etc.) like oh so many entertaining but painful youtube videos. well obviously its (almost) all down to the driver, and their skill level that predicts the outcome whether or not they pull off a sick bike stunt, or if they eat s#!t. in that case, people can brag and boast all they want, and say that they can do it better, since it really is down to the skill. in which case; take the camcorder to the nearest empty parking lot, showoff, and upload it onto Youtube but road accidents involving multiple people/factors/road conditions, etc. you cant realistically predict the outcome had you been in their place. unless it was something stupid like "uh... forgot how to turn!" this debate has been quite entertaining to read, but it seems like ppl are getting carried away, and not accepting the fact that accidents can happen because they are in fact "accidents". but whatever, we all have the right to believe in what we want to, i personally try to be humble. i have been in so many accidents (both predictable, and unpredictable) that i have learnt from them in my own way.
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I were I to be able to slow down significantly since I'm not turning my handlebar and loose control prior to impact,would that made a difference? I know my capabilities when controlling my vehicles, do you? Quote:
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I've survives three wars, 32 months of combat overseas, lost 16 brothers, taken 18 bullets throughout my body for this country. Do you consider me arrogant or just well trained and experienced? If you don't mind, edit your post and take out the 'arrogant' assumptions about me. If you want to discuss further, PM me about your miserable mishaps on motorcycles and I will use my critical thinking and let you know what you can learn from them. |
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July 27th, 2011, 05:44 AM | #139 |
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July 27th, 2011, 06:35 AM | #140 |
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Not gonna do the multiple quote thing again.
N Ja, you are the king of assumptions, so trying to use that argument against others is just stupid and wrong. You ASSUME he lost control of his bike when he never said he did. You ASSUME you could have avoided it due to your superior skill (an extremely arrogant statement btw). You ASSUME that your tactic of taking off rapidly from the start is better (that's how you make your statements sound regardless of how you mean them). You stated you would hit them square on, and are now back peddling saying you could slow down faster? Make sense here and stop changing your story. I do consider you arrogant and will not edit my posts to appease you. Military training does not mean you are better motorcycle rider, I too have military training and experience but I also know there are MANY motorcyclists that are light years better than me. Why is that? Because they have more experience and training in riding motorcycles, something that isn't taught in the military. Sure the military helps you become better with your reaction timing and the ability to spot trouble. That does not mean you are an expert motorcyclist. http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75713 Please enlighten me on what you think I could learn from this other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. |
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Why not, it clearly shows what another person typed before.
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You could have avoided the impact if you were scanning behind and watching for traffic moving up towards you. How long were you stopped at the light? 3-4 seconds or more? Never occurred to you that you should look in the mirror once in a while? Did you allow safe distance with the car in front of you to maneuver around if you needed to? Isn't that the reason MSF course teach riders to leave the bike in gear for quick launch if someone is approaching you from behind at a traffic light? |
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King of assumptions? that's someone who uses lots of critical thinking, right?
I don't think N Ja is changing his story, more like seeing other possibilities of different outcomes when someone reacts differently to an accident.. a good lawyer can talk his way out of any conviction, right? BTW, going down on a bike is loosing control of it.. |
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I guarantee you would have been hit the same as me. You can speculate all you want and think so highly of your skills, but in the end it was the other driver not paying attention. I don't know how many cars behind me because I wasn't sitting there trying to count them. Apparently you can't read. We were all STOPPED, I knew she was there, I knew she was stopped only a couple feet behind me. I can't control how close she is, only how close I am to the car in front of me. I was towards the right and had room to move around the car in front me. This is why my bike hit the ground instead of hitting another car when I got hit from behind. In order to have seen her just suddenly jump I would had to have been watching her like a hawk every second WAITING for her to do it. Instead I was observing my entire surroundings. It took her 1 second to go from safely stopped to hitting my bike. Think you can react to what you don't know is coming? If that's the case then how come you got shot? If you're so good at avoidance shouldn't you have seen it coming and not been there? You truly are an arrogant person aren't you? You think you can avoid anything don't you? You just can't accept the idea that you are not in total control at every second? Learn to accept the idea that there are things that are out of your control and that accidents can and will happen even if you do everything right. I'm out, no point continuing to argue with one who is "always right" and in control of everything around him. And FYI: losing control = you go down or cause the accident on your own merit with no one else to blame but you getting hit by an idiot cager is not the same as losing control Last futzed with by sombo; July 27th, 2011 at 01:28 PM. |
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lol damn.. how did this thread end up like this?
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July 28th, 2011, 08:00 AM | #152 |
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What do posts these contribute to the discussion?
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Maybe...She is merely posting those as her way of saying, get your own f*cking thread stop hijacking the OP's thread!! This whole 3 pages is complete BS, people are quoting entire paragraphs of text then picking out 1 whole ****in word from that to criticize and get some hollier than thou attitudes. Stating you should've done this that and I would've done this and that, therefore I'm better than you.... That is entirely all I/we see from this bullshit, and I know I DON'T GIVE A FLYIN F*CK!!!!! .... I for sure am not taking any helpful advice for your 3 pages of WHINE!!! Would you please STFU now????? |
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we're getting off point. and i think after this i'm giving up on trying to tell others what this point is... i'll try to make it as clear as possible though: there is always a chance that a freak, uncontrollable accident will happen that is out of your control. you may be able to do many many things to reduce those chances and avoid them for a long time, but there is always a chance you don't catch everything. maybe this wasn't the perfect example. i'm not saying noone could have avoided my accident. what i am saying is that if there is a chance you might be involved in an accident (which is anytime you're riding on the street with other cars, in your own flow of traffic, or an opposing flow), why not try to prevent some potential injuries by wearing a damn helmet? answer me this question: have you ever ridden on an open highway (no center-divide) where there is an opposing flow of traffic? have you ever ridden through a blind intersection? if you've ridden much at all the answer most likely is yes. if the answer is yes, what would you do if for example a drunk ran through that blind intersection at 85mph? nothing. because at that speed there isn't enough time to humanly react. what would you do if a car driving opposite blew out a tire, or was simply being a dick, and swerved, flipping his car, taking up the road with a moving block. "swerve away"? what if there's a wall on the right and more traffic on the left? i'm sure you'll come up with some clever scenario to escape, completely avoiding my point so i'll ask it directly: why would you put yourself at risk of more serious injury by not wearing gear? even if you never use it, why would you risk more potential injury by not wearing gear? is it that you think it'll never happen to you? is it because freak accidents don't happen "to you"? i'm truly sorry you've never seen a freak accident caused by something simple like a blowout or a drunk running a blind red light. it's unfortunate that it happens, but it does. to deny that is, well, denial.
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Alex.s there is no point arguing with a forum troll who I am starting to doubt rides a bike or was ever in the military. He is just too cocky and stupid to listen to anyone other than his own greatness. Just put him on ignore and let him think he is god. I will not be responding to his BS that he made up about my accident. I know for a fact there was nothing one could do to avoid it other than just not being the next person in front of her. If not me and my bike it would have been whatever car was there.
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What OP posted was that he wasn't wearing enough gear and riding beyond his capability, combination of both got him into an accident. Incidents with Alex.S and Smobo maybe be more or less fortunate, but what can we learn from all of them? I can agree with N Ja that riding cautiously and being aware of your surroundings would definitely improve the chance of not getting into accidents, but ATGATT may not be as effective if you're not paying attention to your surroundings. |
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This. I keep checking back to see if we've gotten back on OP's original topic. You have a point, however. Unlike most who love to fuel fires and keep arguments going, I can bypass annoying threads that have very little or no helpful information to do with the original topic. Thanks for the reminder.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:37 AM | #159 |
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Location: Murvill, TN
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The other day I was riding my Ninja whilst wearing full protective gear. In addition, I didn't lowside, highside or otherwise come in contact with any other object that is destructive to my bike or myself.
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