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View Poll Results: How often do you clutchless upshift? | |||
Never | 76 | 32.20% | |
Rarely | 60 | 25.42% | |
Sometimes | 56 | 23.73% | |
Most of the time | 26 | 11.02% | |
Always | 18 | 7.63% | |
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November 22nd, 2011, 06:11 PM | #121 |
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November 22nd, 2011, 06:23 PM | #123 |
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Don't just disagree. Disagree and explain to me why.
It could possibly be because in Australia everything is upside down. But I'm not so sure. |
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November 23rd, 2011, 05:38 AM | #124 | |
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Never heard anyone else state your opinion as fact including very experienced and professional riders. Keith Code and David Hough come to mind as two who teach clutchless upshifting. I have never heard of them teaching clutchless downshifting. Take your own advice here. Don't just disagree with my statement. Please explain why clutchless downshifting is easier than an upshift. That is quite an original statement, so I'd like to hear your reasoning.
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November 23rd, 2011, 06:19 PM | #125 | |
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Easiest way to start off is to find a big hill and build some speed up going down it. You want to do the same as an upshift but in reverse. So, with some speed back off the throttle and let the engine braking take over (no throttle). Now apply the same pre-pressure to the shifter like you would with an upshift but this time pushing down obviously. Blip the throttle (this step is simply said but the amount of blip depends on speed, rate of deceleration, gear you're in etc.). Just like that you're a gear lower. It takes all those words to describe what in essence is just 'pressure shifter, blip' and you're done. |
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November 23rd, 2011, 06:57 PM | #126 |
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gordo, we know how to do it. the point is, what useful purpose does it serve?
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November 23rd, 2011, 07:14 PM | #127 |
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You're just joking around with me, right? This thread is full of reasons why. Exactly the same as all the reasons for a clutchless upshift. They all apply to the down shift as well.
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November 23rd, 2011, 09:32 PM | #128 |
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No, I don't think they apply in the same way. The benefits you get from clutchless upshifting aren't there on a clutchless downshift.
Post #77 from right in this thread.
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November 23rd, 2011, 09:45 PM | #129 |
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I understand what you're saying in theory in regards to having the rear brake traction. In practice though I have not had any problems. This is both in daily commuting and also at the track.
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November 24th, 2011, 04:41 AM | #131 | ||
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No, this thread is not full of reasons why. Read through it again and you'll see most people do not clutchless downshift, even if they upshift clutchess all the time. As I've stated, doing so when downshifting is riddled with potential problems.
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December 15th, 2011, 08:38 PM | #132 |
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I clutchless downshift when I'm lazy and rest my foot on the shifter then let off the throttle to slow down lol! Learned not to do that real quick, although shifting between 4 and 5 clutchless is easy on my bike and makes it easy to not have to grab the clutch if I don't want to when I'm city cruising
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December 21st, 2011, 02:47 PM | #133 |
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i use clutchless shifting so i can "flip the bird" to incoherent cagers, and scooters of course.
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December 21st, 2011, 02:54 PM | #134 |
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^^ The scooters are the best!
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December 21st, 2011, 02:59 PM | #136 |
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December 21st, 2011, 03:15 PM | #137 |
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i was told by a very fast and very fancy ama racer not to use the clutch. then again he told me to drop 5 gears with one pull and let the slipper figure it out... dont think i can do that without a slipper clutch on my 600
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December 21st, 2011, 03:22 PM | #138 |
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Who the **** told you that? Lol. I guess depending on what rpm and speed your at you can drop 5...
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December 21st, 2011, 03:33 PM | #139 |
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Todd says thats what they do coming into CW turn 1 at BW. pulls the clutch, drops 5 gears, and dumps the clutch and lets the slipper do it
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December 21st, 2011, 03:38 PM | #140 |
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Then I believe him lol
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January 3rd, 2012, 11:28 AM | #142 |
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This month's issue of Motorcyclist has the clutchless/shifting debate handled by Keith Code in his monthly "Code Break" article.
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January 3rd, 2012, 02:32 PM | #143 |
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if you watch 1:24:10, clearly determine about downshifting without the clutch............ the rest is your decision
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January 3rd, 2012, 02:36 PM | #144 | |
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January 3rd, 2012, 02:43 PM | #145 |
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i think wandyhee might be talking about the part of the TOTW movie where keith code talks about how clutchless downshifting results in back tire traction loss, clutch-only downshifting results in to much engine braking and also leads to rear tire traction loss, and that the "fast guys" only do clutch+blip/revmatch downshifts. maybe?
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January 3rd, 2012, 07:22 PM | #146 |
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errr, the one i'm talking about is in T0TW II video . what the guy did is brake first, then clutchless downshifting (repeatedly until he get the slower speed he want for cornering). I've tried it but I'm not really smooth on it.
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January 4th, 2012, 07:37 PM | #147 |
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Clutchless down shifting is hard to do, and hard on the transmission since you have to match the RPM so the dog's will engage. I don't know why you would want to anyway. If you use the clutch you can control wheel hop, and corner entry speed on corner entry, like a poor mans slipper clutch. As for clutchless upshift, it is easy on the transmission, and the faster way around a track. Also if anyone is interested I have been using MPLS racings quickshifter kit on my Ninja and on my old Ducati 996 race bike for years they work great and are easy to install, and only $149.00!!!!! So you can get full throttle upshifts, and we all know we can't afford to loose any momentum on our 250's!!!!!...Oh and I do not work for MPLS just passing along an afordable tool.
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January 4th, 2012, 08:26 PM | #148 |
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good sharing duckracer. I also found it's hard to do braking & clutchless downshifting as in TOTW II video.. for now I prefer downshifting using clutch, which is also first option in those video
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January 4th, 2012, 10:30 PM | #149 |
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No problem, just trying to share some helpful info.
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January 5th, 2012, 07:03 AM | #150 |
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If it's hard to clutch less downshift, or at least properly, I am left confused by what I've personally done, albeit accidentally.
On at least 2 occasions, I KNOW I have downshifted just by having my foot rest on the shifter (out of laziness). As stated, it was accidental, but it felt like a seemless downshift, bike didn't get upset at all or make any loud slamming into gear sounds. I don't recall if I left off the throttle during these times, but did I do something right?? However, I always heard it's bad for the tranny, so I haven't tried to make clutch less anything a practice... I figure they put the clutch in for a reason and I am not a track rider, so why bother. |
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June 16th, 2012, 02:52 PM | #151 |
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Clutchless upshifting is the way to go!
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June 16th, 2012, 08:04 PM | #152 |
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it's habit now, up or down shift except from neutral to 1st gear
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