Car tech? Does it also help riders? - Page 4

Alex · May 19th, 2014, 08:04 PM

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Alex · May 19th, 2014, 08:07 PM

On our new Honda, it has a system that works pretty well. It's just a camera sitting in the right rear-view mirror, that turns on when you engage the right turn signal, showing a large picture of it on the dash screen. It pretty much eliminates the blind spot, and provides a wide-angle view of everything that is to the right of the car, along with some guide markers that allow you to judge distance of any vehicles that are behind and to the right. No radar or beeping involved for that tech, and it generally works as expected.

Lane departure warning works pretty well too. Non-intrusive, doesn't steer for you, but can provide an alert if you are crossing lanes without signaling.

link to details here.

This is our first car with adaptive cruise, and it also works quite well. You just set your speed to whatever you want to travel at, and when it comes up to a slower car (identified with radar), it just matches that car's speed until it moves out of the way. If someone cuts in between, it drops back quickly. The safety margin is wider than I'd probably keep when controlling speed directly, but that's not the worst thing in the world. It makes it incredibly low stress to zip along in medium traffic.

NevadaWolf · February 26th, 2015, 10:10 AM

Zombie bump (hope this isn't a repeat, I scanned through this thread)

Reading up more on the NC700X and came upon this article - only related as this was the bike they installed the system on.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/583/14...mmunicate.aspx

And copying the first paragraph:

Quote:

A big grievance with motorcyclists is the fact that cars often don’t see them until it’s too late. This statement is backed by a European motorcycle accident study called ‘MAIDS’ that states “the majority of accidents involving motorcyclists are caused by the other vehicle not properly seeing the oncoming vehicle.” What if an electronic beacon notified car drivers of an approaching motorcycle before they were even in view? Honda’s Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) does just that, allowing cars and motorcycles to communicate between each other in addition to receiving information from roadside ITS stations.

This is what I am looking forward to, vehicles talking to each other and then notifying the driver of what's around them.

agentbad · February 26th, 2015, 10:55 AM

I'd rather have an ejection seat because a distracted driver is still gonna run that intersection. What I'd like to see more is cars with automatic breaking systems or make it mandatory for crappy drivers.

Ducati999 · March 2nd, 2015, 05:56 AM

I have just reread this entire discussion and there are a few points I would like to highlight.
#1 The original (so many merged threads) question: "Does car technology help Bikers?" Yes. There are many new safety features that seem to recognize bikes and pedrestrians also, and assist the driver in seeing and avoiding them.
#2 Is the new technology reliable. Yes*. The technology is reliable enough for many major manufacturers to put thier reputation, not to mention their wallets on the line. There will always be room for improvements and upgrades to these systems and everything fails/brakes eventually. *I have been unable to find any significant information on failure but I am sure it happens*
#3 Atonomous vehicles are operating on our streets in our factories and in our skies. They will be a part of the future we will just have to wait and see to what degree and what laws come from/for them
#4 Motorcycles will change in the next 10 years. Bikes will be quite different in the 2020s. More electronics, dual clutch transmissions and even electric motors. Will we like all of the changes? Some thought more than 3 gears on a bike was crazy, others said "who needs electric start on a Motorcycle?" Today there are very few bikes without electric start and 6 speeds.
#5 we can never under estimate how poorly skilled other drivers are. Some driver have no other reaction than to hit the brake. That is the extent of their skill. If I cannot use the gas I use the brake. They have extremely poor reaction times (even when they are not distracted) and they take lots more time to process what they see (watch when people hit their brakes approaching a cop stopped on the side of the highway) and react to it properly. We as Motorcyclist have to have better reactions and be more aware of what is happening arround us to stay alive and this stays with you when you jump into your cage and drive. Most people drive around like they are half asleep and it is only your vigalance that can keep you from being involved in an accident. No driver assist can make up for your lack of attention just like no helmet/leather suit can, they can just try to keep the damage to a minimum. Keep your head on a swivel, check over your shoulder, slow before the intersection and dont go into blind turns faster than you can react. These are the only safety systems that can really help motorcyclists!

May 19th, 2014, 08:04 PM	#121
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May 19th, 2014, 08:07 PM	#122
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	On our new Honda, it has a system that works pretty well. It's just a camera sitting in the right rear-view mirror, that turns on when you engage the right turn signal, showing a large picture of it on the dash screen. It pretty much eliminates the blind spot, and provides a wide-angle view of everything that is to the right of the car, along with some guide markers that allow you to judge distance of any vehicles that are behind and to the right. No radar or beeping involved for that tech, and it generally works as expected. Lane departure warning works pretty well too. Non-intrusive, doesn't steer for you, but can provide an alert if you are crossing lanes without signaling. link to details here. This is our first car with adaptive cruise, and it also works quite well. You just set your speed to whatever you want to travel at, and when it comes up to a slower car (identified with radar), it just matches that car's speed until it moves out of the way. If someone cuts in between, it drops back quickly. The safety margin is wider than I'd probably keep when controlling speed directly, but that's not the worst thing in the world. It makes it incredibly low stress to zip along in medium traffic. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
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February 26th, 2015, 10:55 AM	#124
agentbad ninjette.org sage Name: bob Location: Earf Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250, 2006 SV650N Posts: 642	I'd rather have an ejection seat because a distracted driver is still gonna run that intersection. What I'd like to see more is cars with automatic breaking systems or make it mandatory for crappy drivers.

March 2nd, 2015, 05:56 AM	#125
Ducati999 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ant Location: Wooster Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ducati 999 2012 Ninja 250r Ducati748 Yellow finally running 2003 SV650 S (SOLD) Posts: A lot.	I have just reread this entire discussion and there are a few points I would like to highlight. #1 The original (so many merged threads) question: "Does car technology help Bikers?" Yes. There are many new safety features that seem to recognize bikes and pedrestrians also, and assist the driver in seeing and avoiding them. #2 Is the new technology reliable. Yes. The technology is reliable enough for many major manufacturers to put thier reputation, not to mention their wallets on the line. There will always be room for improvements and upgrades to these systems and everything fails/brakes eventually. I have been unable to find any significant information on failure but I am sure it happens* #3 Atonomous vehicles are operating on our streets in our factories and in our skies. They will be a part of the future we will just have to wait and see to what degree and what laws come from/for them #4 Motorcycles will change in the next 10 years. Bikes will be quite different in the 2020s. More electronics, dual clutch transmissions and even electric motors. Will we like all of the changes? Some thought more than 3 gears on a bike was crazy, others said "who needs electric start on a Motorcycle?" Today there are very few bikes without electric start and 6 speeds. #5 we can never under estimate how poorly skilled other drivers are. Some driver have no other reaction than to hit the brake. That is the extent of their skill. If I cannot use the gas I use the brake. They have extremely poor reaction times (even when they are not distracted) and they take lots more time to process what they see (watch when people hit their brakes approaching a cop stopped on the side of the highway) and react to it properly. We as Motorcyclist have to have better reactions and be more aware of what is happening arround us to stay alive and this stays with you when you jump into your cage and drive. Most people drive around like they are half asleep and it is only your vigalance that can keep you from being involved in an accident. No driver assist can make up for your lack of attention just like no helmet/leather suit can, they can just try to keep the damage to a minimum. Keep your head on a swivel, check over your shoulder, slow before the intersection and dont go into blind turns faster than you can react. These are the only safety systems that can really help motorcyclists!