August 6th, 2012, 06:33 PM | #121 | |
ninjette.org sage
Name: T
Location: U.S.
Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: '11 ZX-6R; Previous: '09 Ninjette; '08 ZX-6R (Ex-Wife '09 TU250X) Posts: 981
|
Quote:
As I already also mentioned, I had not one single problem firing up that TU250 on the days I decided to ride it, regardless of the temperature. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, carbs are a dead technology that has far exceeded its useful application, at least where on-road vehicles are concerned. The fact that the 2013 has FI makes me seriously reconsider a Ninjette for a future purchase as a commuter.
__________________________________________________
R.I.P EthioKnight (Alex) |
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 06:43 PM | #122 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Eric
Location: Iowa City
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 54
MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16
|
If you change the pilot jet to one number richer you will find the cold weather behavior much better.
I had an 85 gs with a Race Beat 13B engine. On a wet morning ice would freeze the manifold. It would stall the engine out if I did not shut it off and let it warm up some. This is a little different. The factory jets these engines way lean. I would like to see a fifty hp 250cc four stroke. Not measured at the crank but 50 rear wheel hp. The only one I have seen is an mv Augusta with a supercharged I4. |
|
August 6th, 2012, 07:07 PM | #123 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
I personally think stock carbs on a 250 makes more sense than stock EFI. And the reason is that so many people love to mod these bikes. You can't mess with the intake or exhaust on stock EFI because it has preset maps that it uses. So instead of paying $80 to rejet you're now paying $500 to mess with the ECU.
I think someone said that the 250s ECU will be adjustable, which if it is that is a MAJOR plus to going EFI on the 250 but if it's not adjustable I think more people will be hindered by the EFI over carbs.
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
August 6th, 2012, 08:34 PM | #124 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Michael
Location: MI
Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Honda Elite 110 (deceased), Green 2012 Ninja 250 (sold on Pi day); Grey/Green 2019 Ninja 400 ABS Posts: 238
|
Quote:
Also, you live in San Jose, CA, not Duluth, MN. You'd sing a different tune if you were fighting to get the #@%^@ engine to stay fired up in February, winter riding gloves on, trying to get to work on time. I've grown up in S.B, CA and live in MI now, so I know whereof I speak. My EFI Honda was easy in winter; 5 or 95F, push the button, it starts, go. I love my Ninjette but I am not looking forward to the way carbs behave in sub-freezing weather. |
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 09:43 PM | #125 |
wat
Name: wat
Location: tustin/long beach
Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14
|
maybe i'm delusional but if the efi computer is programmable and/or automatic, tuning efi is easier and gives you a better result. if its a stock non-programmable efi unit, you can't do anything.
__________________________________________________
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 10:00 PM | #126 | |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Quote:
Some people like to ride their bikes like they drive their car. Never bringing a wrench near it and taking it to a dealer to get the oil changed. I'm not one of those people and going to EFI pushes people in that direction which is lame. If my 250 had come with stock EFI I'd have never stripped it down and learned a whole bunch about my bike going into the carbs. The most in depth thing I'd have ever done is change the oil if even that. I'd never have bought an Area P pipe since it wouldn't be possible to tune the bike. The point is working on your bike is part of riding and part of owning a bike. Part of what's awesome about the ninja 250 is that its possible to learn about working on the bike and simultaneously increase its power. And that's why I like carbs, I've never had an issue with them and they allow you to make your bike go faster. They are customizable. And no I don't drive in sub freezing temperatures but in the winter in the morning when I would go to work the temp would be between 34-40 degrees. I never had any issues but was forced to install heated grips Starting in the cold consists of pull choke, press start, drive away. What a hassle
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 10:15 PM | #127 |
wat
Name: wat
Location: tustin/long beach
Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14
|
efi doesnt mean anything different except: more expensive, more accurate, easier to tune. you still turn a wrench. you might have to buy a power commander boo hoo. your bike doesnt come with alternate jets
__________________________________________________
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 10:33 PM | #128 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jono
Location: Memphis, TN
Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.
|
^^
What he said. Get with the times Jiggles. We live in a digital world now. We should be tuning our bikes with computers. Not trial and error wasting hours trying to get our carbs running perfect. And even then they aren't going to be perfect. |
|
August 6th, 2012, 11:31 PM | #129 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Uh huh, what's a power commander cost? As much as an exhaust?
Yes I'd like to tune with a computer (yay ecotrons!) but let's be honest, how many people are going to buy a power commander for their 250? Tuning carbs is cheap, tuning EFI is not, so suck on that!
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
August 6th, 2012, 11:41 PM | #130 | |
RIP Alex
Name: Cuong
Location: Houston, TX
Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '09 265r Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 2
|
Quote:
Maybe you should convert your 650 to carbs.
__________________________________________________
HalfFast Racing Team Serving Greater Houston Area Riders:WFO Riders MotoHouston HPC CMRA Ride Smart Fastline Lone Star Track Days |
|
|
August 6th, 2012, 11:58 PM | #131 | |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Quote:
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't like EFI but on the ninja 250 I think carbs are better because you can squeeze more hp out of them for cheaper and it's a starter bike. It teaches you the fundamentals of riding as well as working on your bike. And on larger bikes I don't think it makes a difference to squeeze out some more hp since they already have more than you can possibly use. 32hp vs 26hp is a bigger difference compared to 135hp vs 125hp I will let you know though, that I'm going to do a ton more work on my 250 than I ever will on my 1000
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 12:22 AM | #132 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Eric
Location: Iowa City
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 54
MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16
|
There is no way the factory ECU will be programmable . That sort of thing will not pass EPA
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 12:28 AM | #133 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Yea it sounded far fetched to me but I haven't dug through the supergen blogs and posts
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
August 7th, 2012, 03:02 AM | #134 |
is stunning! ;)
Name: Matz
Location: Elgin, Scotland
Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): CBR600 FS2, XT350 Posts: 132
|
You make EFI sound like some form of witchcraft! lol
Most of the system is still mechanical, there's still a throttle body with a cable actuated butterfly valve (just like a carb) and there are other, cheaper versions of power commanders to tune it. As for not being able to programme the ecu, who says you need too? Many efi tuning kits basically add another control box that intercepts the connection between the ecu and the rest of the system. I'm not being biased I own bikes with both carbs and efi, and carbs are deffinitely easier to work on, but if your only wanting a particular system to learn about engines and the like, buy a two-stroke. The efi also adds another advantage as the light on the dash can be used to self diagnose most electrical faults. Although I'm not sure if the carburated ones have a similar system? I've not ridden a carb'd Ninja 250r so I don't know what the difference in throttle response would be but as most of us pretty much ride our Ninjas on their limit, I'd say it probably isn't noticable. |
|
August 7th, 2012, 03:21 AM | #135 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Eric
Location: Iowa City
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 54
MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16
|
It's just something new to learn. I have been working on fuel injection and carbs for decades. Really it will be fine. And one thing no one mentions. The ethanol will not mess up the fuel injection parts. Carbs are made with brass jets. Ethanol attracts water . Water corrodes pilot jets . So sitting over winter is a big problem. Fuel injection has mostly stainless steel parts . So no problem.
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 04:45 AM | #136 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.
|
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 05:18 AM | #138 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.
|
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 05:55 AM | #139 |
Freedom for Germany
Location: This World
Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.
|
Jason do you have a link for a company in Indonesia doing remapping for the Ninjette?
Until now I only know from one company in India, look here: http://www.bikoholic.com/2012/03/ecu...ports-for.html Have a safe ride |
|
August 7th, 2012, 06:23 AM | #140 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Eric
Location: Iowa City
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 54
MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16
|
The aftermarket will take care of everything . Adding larger throttle body's and programmable ECU's . But only if Kawasaki keeps the bike consistent. The aftermarket won't make cool stuff for a two or three year production run.
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 08:11 AM | #141 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
|
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 09:48 AM | #142 | ||||
Nooblet
Name: Akima
Location: England
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '13
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Maybe you'd enjoy a lego set more than a motorcycle Jiggles! That way you could spend all your time messing around taking apart and rebuilding things without ever having to ride. Quote:
|
||||
|
August 7th, 2012, 09:55 AM | #143 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14
|
Quote:
2) I've only used the ecotrons efi at 50+ F. I bet it would do fine colder, I'll just have to play with the values a little. You'll likely have to do the same with the power commander. Get that exhaust already!!! And do some research for us to see if you can successfully remove your airbox and go with a pod filter or not!!!! I'm dying to know since there seems to be a debate about it. Posted via Mobile Device |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 10:03 AM | #145 | |
Nooblet
Name: Akima
Location: England
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 5
MOTM - Oct '13
|
Quote:
|
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 10:13 AM | #148 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
People really like to take half my point and respond to it.
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
August 7th, 2012, 10:18 AM | #149 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14
|
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 10:20 AM | #150 |
ninjette.org dude
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
|
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered) |
|
August 7th, 2012, 10:21 AM | #152 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14
|
Quote:
Posted via Mobile Device |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 12:37 PM | #153 |
Towster ['__'`,-,
Name: Josh
Location: San Diego, CA
Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Green Ninja 250 SE Posts: 379
|
Why wont ABS make it to Cali?
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 12:49 PM | #154 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Everyone is too busy smoking pot
Honestly I have no idea, I'm just going by what has happened on other Kawasaki bikes I mean if the Ninja 1000 can't be equipped with ABS in CA then why would the 650 or 250 be able to? They very well could, I mean idk why they won't allow it on the 1000 so I can't say why they wouldn't allow it on the 650 or 250. CA is just stupid, full of stupid laws and stupid limitations
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
August 7th, 2012, 12:51 PM | #155 |
ninjette.org dude
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
|
Nobody knows for sure if it will or won't. Kawi didn't bring the ABS model in as a cali-compliant bike for the 650 or the 1000. They still sell separate "49-state" bikes and "cali" bikes, and they didn't go through the hassle of certifying the ABS model as a cali bike.
The hope is that they choose to go through that trouble for the 250, or perhaps just call everything a 50-state bike, but we won't know for a few months. EDIT: what jiggly said
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered) |
|
August 7th, 2012, 04:27 PM | #156 |
ninjette.org newbie
Name: Dennis
Location: Canada
Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): None Yet Posts: 1
|
So I was talking to a Kawasaki Canada rep and was told that the 2013 Model shown is strictly an Asian Market, and that to stay tuned for changes that will come out in September.
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 04:29 PM | #157 | |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Quote:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110228
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 04:43 PM | #158 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
the bike started just fine with choke and riding off, but my bike never warmed up... |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 04:59 PM | #159 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jason
Location: Norfolk, VA
Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
i think he'll fit in just fine, around here |
|
|
August 7th, 2012, 06:23 PM | #160 |
ninjette.org sage
Name: T
Location: U.S.
Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: '11 ZX-6R; Previous: '09 Ninjette; '08 ZX-6R (Ex-Wife '09 TU250X) Posts: 981
|
Cool story. I hate carbs. I shouldn't have to do anything to any vehicle to make it function better than the factory. EFI for me on new bikes. Obviously if there are any older bikes out there that I decide I want, I will have to deal with carbs. If and when that time comes, I will deal with carbs again. I can guarantee, however, that the bike(s) in question won't be used as daily commuters in a cold environment.
__________________________________________________
R.I.P EthioKnight (Alex) |
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Well that just sucks... | sLick415 | Videos | 7 | May 23rd, 2013 11:15 AM |
Know why the Ninja 300 sucks? | Jiggles | 2013 - 2017 Ninja 300 General Discussion | 71 | May 6th, 2013 09:12 PM |
Rear Brake Bleeding Problem (2011 Ninja 250) - Caliper Valve Sucks Back Fluid/Air | MovingUp7 | 2008 - 2012 Ninja 250R Tech Talk | 3 | January 28th, 2013 08:46 AM |
It really sucks that..... | Stingray1000 | General Motorcycling Discussion | 7 | June 10th, 2012 04:45 PM |
|
|