September 15th, 2012, 08:40 PM | #121 | |
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Gee, I like see Honda 250CBR's just like at every street corner
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I've seen like 2 250CBR's on the streets of Charlotte. I'm out a lot. The two dealers near me don't seem to have a lot in stock and talking to the floor guys their not selling that many. The Concord location had a USED 250CBR on the floor.... I also note that the 250R is still listed on the product line up... It will be interesting to see how all this plays out... but one thing is definately certain... Kawasaki will still be selling a bunch of small bikes...
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September 15th, 2012, 08:48 PM | #122 | |
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September 15th, 2012, 08:53 PM | #123 |
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Or NINJA rider
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September 15th, 2012, 08:56 PM | #124 | |
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September 15th, 2012, 08:57 PM | #125 | |
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Glad I don't live in India Hey, maybe I ought to black market my bike in India
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September 15th, 2012, 09:01 PM | #126 | |
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September 15th, 2012, 09:06 PM | #127 | |
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September 15th, 2012, 09:10 PM | #128 | |
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and we'll keep the 250r for the price concious and the racers....
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September 15th, 2012, 09:18 PM | #129 |
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September 15th, 2012, 10:33 PM | #130 |
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September 15th, 2012, 11:23 PM | #131 |
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I gotta say i knew of ninjas well before i ever heard of honda bikes well besides dirt bikes and when i went to look for a bike i looke at the honda and it was ugly as haha i wanted the aprillia or ninja and the ninja for the proce got me hooked
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September 17th, 2012, 10:53 AM | #132 |
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September 17th, 2012, 11:08 AM | #133 | |
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The main determining factor for me to consider ninja over cbr was looks, next was revs, i'm a high rev junkie and since the ninja can be made to limit at just over 14k it made me feel happy inside. But seriously money was a factor in my decision and i could not bring myself to ride that ugly CBR250... i'm better than that. I see what you are getting at with price but it really isn't that big of a jump and you get a sweet as bike for the price tag. I heard honda is going to charge and extra $500 just for their Repsol paint job for the 2013's but maybe the paint makes it go faster |
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September 18th, 2012, 12:29 PM | #134 |
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I rode a Ninja 250R for two years and loved it. I sold it last year because I didn't have the free time to really go riding on the weekends, but that will change next spring, so I'm planning to get back into motorcycling then. Of course I was already thinking about which motorcycle I should get. Although I liked the 250R, I'd prefer a bit more power just, so I considered the ER-6n (awesome looking naked bike, I've gotta say!). I read about the Ninja 300 a few days ago and I got really excited. It looks awesome, has a much-needed dashboard upgrade, more power, and the added safety features (ABS and slipper clutch) are nice.
I wish it were a bit lighter, though. If Kawasaki were to aggressively do some weight-loss engineering, they could probably easily get under 150 kg. The KTM Duke 690 weighs 149.5 kg (although without fuel), for comparison. Anyone know why the 250R and the new 300 aren't particularly light-weight? Would it cost so much more to use lighter materials? Anyway, I think the new Ninja 300 will do well. The new features make it the supreme small-capacity motorcycle on the market, but Kawasaki will need to be sensitive with the pricing. |
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September 18th, 2012, 01:28 PM | #135 | |
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September 19th, 2012, 09:48 AM | #136 | |
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September 19th, 2012, 09:55 AM | #137 | |
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September 19th, 2012, 10:12 AM | #138 |
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I still don't get all you people who think the 250cc class disparity is an issue for the 300. The Megelli was never a serious entrant and the class has only included the CBR for the last year where before it may as well have been "the Ninja class." The class is not set in stone and it will just become the 300cc and under class. Simple.
The 600cc class wasn't a problem for the 636 for years until some clubs started getting a little picky and Kawi started to make two models (600 and 636) and eventually only offered 600. The 636 is back, so obviously Kawasaki doesn't mind making two models like in some past years or lobbying them to allow it anyway like in years before that. |
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September 19th, 2012, 10:53 AM | #140 | |
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If it was double the HP it would be a 100% increase...got it.
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September 19th, 2012, 01:05 PM | #143 |
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September 19th, 2012, 01:21 PM | #144 | |
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Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that among people not registered to a Kawasaki forum, Kawasaki has the lowest name recognition and the lowest sales among the "big 4" Japanese manufacturers to the general public. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kawasaki makes the worst bikes out of the 4 and doesn't deserve more sales. I've been on the latest generation ZX6R and it was a phenomenal street bike with exceptional forks, brakes, transmission and engine - couldn't find a fault unlike the GSXR and R6 equivalents (but I still think between the CBR600 vs last generation ZX6R the CBR600 is a better street bike, ZX6R better track bike). If quality actually made a difference I think Kawasaki would have #1 sales, but the fact is they don't sell as much as the other four. That's just reality (http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/...wn-0-9-percent) |
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September 19th, 2012, 01:31 PM | #145 | |
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September 19th, 2012, 01:33 PM | #146 |
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The event was incredibly boring at the same time being corny, poorly paced, and lacked any kind of excitement factor. It really did nothing to build the Kawasaki brand or make a lasting impression in my mind. I only got excited after I looked into the ZX6R afterwords that it seems to be a really great package.
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September 19th, 2012, 01:34 PM | #147 | |
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We'll agree to disagree here. Edit: And about Suzuki making cars, you might want to check with the general public if they even know Suzuku makes cars - look at their car sales numbers in North America |
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September 19th, 2012, 01:43 PM | #148 | |
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Doesn't change the fact that they advertise and most everyone has heard them. MAC trucks and Peterbuilts have a similarly low sales percentage too, but we generally know what they are. The real-world disconnect between sales and recognition only proves my point elsewhere. FWIW, I edited my last post too. |
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September 19th, 2012, 01:48 PM | #149 |
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Ever since I got into motorcycles I nearly forgot Suzuki made cars.
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September 19th, 2012, 02:05 PM | #152 |
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Someone go to a mall Wth a camera and ask people some questions to shut this guy up
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September 19th, 2012, 02:14 PM | #153 |
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This fail thread is a fail. Everyone has an opinion so that's nice to know.
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September 19th, 2012, 02:15 PM | #154 | |
So, where's the reverse?
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September 19th, 2012, 02:17 PM | #155 |
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Xerox maybe.
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September 19th, 2012, 02:20 PM | #156 |
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You really think blackberry has more public mindset in 2012 then either Apple or Android? Maybe 6 years ago, but not today. If you ask people to name a smart phone today blackberry would be a distant third among brands recognized. Blackberry had the business market locked down a while ago but was never at the level Apple or Android is today with the general public.
I'm not sure why you guys are fighting so hard and are so emotionally invested in the idea that Kawasaki has the lead in "public perception". It's not like having public perception implies anything when it comes to product quality or anything. If anything, a company with lower public perception has to try harder to differentiate itself beyond just the brand name recognition, which Kawasaki is doing - it's latest ZX6R is far far more advanced then any of it's rivals at this point. Same with the new 300. |
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September 19th, 2012, 02:54 PM | #157 |
So, where's the reverse?
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Despite losing ground to competitors, BlackBerry is still one of the most recognized global brands. You asked about consumer products that had a huge brand awareness not necessarily who had the most. History is full of examples of brands which enjoyed massive public recognition yet their products failed due to a multitude of factors.
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September 19th, 2012, 03:23 PM | #158 |
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I see you're from Canada so you probably have a skewed view of the blackberry brand. It was never on the same level with customers as Apple or Android is today in customer's minds. Business yes, general public no.
If history is full of them you should be able to name a few. If the best example you can come up with is Blackberry then I say that's an argument in my favor. Besides, I still don't get why you guys care so much, for all the reasons I mentioned before, having a strong brand doesn't mean anything when it comes to actual products, so again, why do you care that Kawasaki is a distant fourth in sales and brand among the big 4? |
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September 19th, 2012, 03:25 PM | #159 |
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Put up or shut up.
Post the numbers, or stop the crap. This website is for fans of kawis and fans of ninjettes. If you're here to bash that, this doesn't make you an informed and articulate consumer. It makes you come off as a bit of a tool who doesn't understand his audience.
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September 19th, 2012, 03:31 PM | #160 |
So, where's the reverse?
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You're jumping to assumptions based on what little demographic info you know of me. I'm an Android user btw.
Blockbuster, Dell, Kodak, GM, Ford, Nokia, Sears, Sony, Nintendo, Yahoo, Toys "R" Us, Best Buy, Microsoft (pretty much any product other than its software in its monopolized market). All hugely recognizable brands that have struggled in the past or currently. |
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