September 30th, 2014, 02:59 PM | #162 |
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seconded, I would rock one of those so much quicker than a 1000cc supercharged bike
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September 30th, 2014, 04:04 PM | #163 | |
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I like it too. It goes really into the exotic look department for looks. Like mentioned above, very fast and powerful new cars have similar pointy strange Carbon Fiber looks.
It looks very futuristic to me. And lots of people in general think sport bikes look silly/ugly - ask some non-riders. Quote:
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September 30th, 2014, 04:44 PM | #164 |
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September 30th, 2014, 05:00 PM | #165 |
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Nice comments from AutoBlog:
Kawasaki will only be offering up to 6 month financing. They don't expect the average rider to last longer than that ... Comes with included carbon fiber casket. Starring in the next installment of Red Asphalt. |
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September 30th, 2014, 05:28 PM | #166 |
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October 1st, 2014, 09:24 AM | #167 |
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The wings are made of carbon fiber, have fun trying to snap them.
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October 1st, 2014, 09:27 AM | #168 |
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Its carbon fiber, not adamantium.
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October 1st, 2014, 09:29 AM | #169 |
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Who says carbon wont crack lol...
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October 1st, 2014, 09:52 AM | #170 |
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I would be very surprised if carbon fiber would crack from a parking lot drop. If you meant "crash" then that's completely different..
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October 1st, 2014, 09:56 AM | #171 |
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I wouldn't.
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October 1st, 2014, 10:02 AM | #172 |
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Carbon fiber is strong for its weight; big caveat. It is not some miracle material that is thousands of times stronger than steel, magnesium, or aluminum (the metals it most typically replaces). In addition, it is brittle and its strength is highly directional, depending on the particular weave of the carbon fibers and how it is molded.
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October 1st, 2014, 10:05 AM | #173 |
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My buddy nicked his carbon hood w a screwdriver and it cracked. It's not magical.
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October 1st, 2014, 10:14 AM | #174 |
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Had similar problems with a CF hood on my old car.
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October 1st, 2014, 10:34 AM | #176 |
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October 1st, 2014, 10:37 AM | #177 | |
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That chart just echoes this:
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October 1st, 2014, 10:38 AM | #178 |
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Congratulations, it's a graph with no vertical axis label. Considering it shows "woods" as being greater than "steels" in some nebulous measurement, I'm going to assume it has no bearing on this conversation (unless, of course, you're suggesting we should have been building motorcycles out of wood this whole time. How misguided we've been!)
*EDIT* Looking at the source of that image, Artie is exactly correct. Evidently this chart shows "specific strength", which is tensile strength divided by density. Whoever made that graph needs to go back to grade school, though; graphs need axes, otherwise they're useless.
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October 1st, 2014, 11:07 AM | #179 |
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I had a carbon fiber slip-on where the hanger was riveted to the top of the can rather than wrapping around the whole thing (Scorpion slip-on if you wanted to look up a picture). When I crashed, the hanger ripped right out at where it was joined. It was the carbon fiber that ripped. Carbon fiber doesn't have magical properties.
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October 1st, 2014, 11:09 AM | #181 |
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Supercharged motorcycle. What's not to like?
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I would be surprised if these fairings would crack like plastic ones in a parking lot drop. I actually would be surprised if they broke at all, aside from scratches and other minor damages
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October 1st, 2014, 11:33 AM | #185 | |
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October 1st, 2014, 12:37 PM | #188 |
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Here's what we'll do. When the H2 comes out we will both buy one together, (cost 50/50) then we will take it and drop it, if the carbon fiber panel cracks, you keep the bike and I'm out 50% of the cost of the bike. If it doesn't crack then I keep the bike.
Sound good?
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October 1st, 2014, 12:41 PM | #189 |
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Danny, you put a lot of faith in things. Not sure I would gamble the questionable 10k on such things.
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October 1st, 2014, 12:45 PM | #190 |
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you're also assuming that the roadgoing version will be carbon fiber as well
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Danny. You're wrong.
Carbon can be very strong. If it's laid such that the strands are in line with the force and therefore keep the strands under tension, is very very strong. If you apply compression, it flops. If you apply bending, it will bend to a point. Then it snaps. It's not very elastic, it's actually quite brittle under non-tensile forces. That's why people who design around carbon need to know exactly what forces they're expecting and how to arange the carbon weave so that there is some amount of material under tension for each encountered force. Wings intended for aero and heat removal will simply NOT support the bike if it tips. They will snap off when they hit the ground. Carbon is worse than plastic in that manner. Plastic is able to deform highly and flex when it hits the ground. Carbon is rigid (because of the layup I mentioned above that keeps tension in the part) and the impact will break those parts. They're just expensive dingleberries waiting to be turned into insurance claims |
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October 1st, 2014, 02:54 PM | #193 |
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Someone on the viffer forum claims to have seen invoice pricing on the H2R and H2 (60 and 30). For 30, surely you can buy a brand new ZX10R and add a sc for less than 18.
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October 1st, 2014, 03:46 PM | #194 |
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October 1st, 2014, 05:56 PM | #195 | |
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$32k for the street version. He didn't list where he found the prices though so take it for what you want
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October 1st, 2014, 09:12 PM | #196 |
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Knowing that this thing is "engineered beyond belief," would it be silly of me to go on thinking that they deliberately designed that front profile to look like a samurai helmet?!
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October 1st, 2014, 09:39 PM | #197 | |
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October 1st, 2014, 09:41 PM | #198 |
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I owned a carbon bike (human powered). Any crash, you better inspect for hairline cracks. With steel, failure comes slowly, it'll start to bend for days/weeks/months before a catastrophic failure. With carbon, it's a different story. Carbon will crack without warning. 20mph crash (bicycle that weighed 17.5lbs). Front carbon fork snapped. There goes $400.
450lbs bike dropped at parking lots speeds. Probably similar force as the bicycle crash. It'll probably crack. |
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I think 28K is to low this is going to be hyper car territory for motorcyles, this thing is litterally comparable to the Ford Cobra Jet and the Ferrari 599XX or the FXX Evo, being limited to track use only, limited production because they can. I would expect a stupid price tag upwards of 40K for several reasons. One the materials are top notch and the engineering is something we haven't really seen yet. This is an exclusive machine and will be collector status so that will drive the price up. And Kawasaki won't want everyone picking this up.
My predictions are 49,990 for the H2R given its status. The street legal one I would put around 24,990 assuming they keep at as 1L bike, if it drops down to a 3 cylinder model like a 636 (or I would like a 666) then 19,990 but hey my
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