December 15th, 2011, 02:03 PM | #201 |
ninjette.org guru
Name: Jason
Location: Houston, TX
Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 (sold), '06 Ninja 650R Posts: 455
|
Great! I really can't wait to get my kit. I wish the GB would go faster!
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 02:08 PM | #202 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
Maybe you should recruit some more people then!
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
December 15th, 2011, 03:09 PM | #203 |
ninjette.org newbie
Name: Ben
Location: Southeast
Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): ninjette Posts: 8
|
so this kit will now do spark also? is the CDI unit and wiring to the coil included?
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 03:53 PM | #204 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
No CDI unit any more. The ECU is all-in-one, controls the stock coils directly. See Forbitel's post.
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 04:00 PM | #205 |
ninjette.org newbie
Name: Ben
Location: Southeast
Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): ninjette Posts: 8
|
so all it needs from the motor is an input from the pickup and a power wire and ground for the most part and it controls, fuel and spark? so none of the factory ignition will be needed any longer?
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 04:18 PM | #206 |
ninjette.org guru
Name: Jason
Location: Houston, TX
Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 (sold), '06 Ninja 650R Posts: 455
|
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 05:25 PM | #207 | |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Brian
Location: Detroit, MI
Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Green Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
http://www.sportisimoto-usa.com/ignition.php Soooo if you think about it... for those of us with CDI issues, EFI is a great idea. I was going to swap out the CDI with an old pregen version but that would have cost anywhere from $80-$100+ and the fact that it required work, this will probably yield a better end result.
__________________________________________________
2009 Ninja 250R SE Green Sport Touring Style: ZG ST; Symtec heated grips; RAM GPS w/ mUSB; DIY reshaped seat; DIY Givi E21 Sidecases; 15T sprocket |
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 05:33 PM | #208 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
And if you add some more performance parts, and you can tune everything if you are handy. |
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 05:56 PM | #209 | |
-
Name: -
Location: -
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
|
|
|
December 15th, 2011, 06:28 PM | #210 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Brian
Location: Detroit, MI
Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Green Posts: A lot.
|
whaaaaaaaa?????
__________________________________________________
2009 Ninja 250R SE Green Sport Touring Style: ZG ST; Symtec heated grips; RAM GPS w/ mUSB; DIY reshaped seat; DIY Givi E21 Sidecases; 15T sprocket |
|
December 16th, 2011, 12:42 AM | #211 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Here are some pictures for the harnesses, both Pre-Gen and later models. You can see that there are no more loose wires. All wires are PNP (all connectors are mated, and error-proof, meaning, you can not plug TPS sensor to MAP harness, for example; except the dual connectors like the 2 for injectors/O2 sensors, and those are labelled.)
|
|
December 16th, 2011, 09:16 AM | #212 |
CVMA #74 WSMC #750
Name: Nemesis
Location: On the track
Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.
|
Anyone in Socal gonna get this so I can test ride your bike?
__________________________________________________
|
|
December 16th, 2011, 08:25 PM | #213 |
The 250r is my wifes bike
Name: Dave
Location: Canyon Country LA
Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Drz440 DS/SM - 2008 250R Ninja (Got it for the wife but i ride it too) Posts: 23
|
Yes
__________________________________________________
My Resto Mods Last futzed with by Daves2JZ; December 17th, 2011 at 01:21 AM. |
|
December 16th, 2011, 08:54 PM | #214 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14
|
Looks like this kit is coming along nicely. Kudos to Ecotrons for that. Looking forward to seeing how the new additions to this kit work out for the GB members.
|
|
December 17th, 2011, 01:21 AM | #215 |
The 250r is my wifes bike
Name: Dave
Location: Canyon Country LA
Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Drz440 DS/SM - 2008 250R Ninja (Got it for the wife but i ride it too) Posts: 23
|
Side note. Rather then plugging the vac port on the number 2 TB I'd suggest using a T in the line to the MAP sencere. The problem with the system as you have it is that the sencere will have a true pulsation effect. Normally the vac signal would be places in the intake plenum (witch we dont have) after the TB giving you a true constent mesument of manifold pressure of the system not just one of the cylinders in the system. The way you have it now only when the one cyclender Is sucking in will it produce vacumed. If T ed into the second cylinder then the pulsation will be minimized since the cylinders intake stroke is offset from each other.
__________________________________________________
My Resto Mods |
|
December 17th, 2011, 01:33 AM | #216 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
This is really a good one, very knowledgeable, even though not applicable to our system. Our system uses the pulsations instead of smoothening it. Why? to accurately measure the vacuum. This is truely the key for small engine controls, only by knowing the characteristics of pulsations can you measure the air charge exactly into the cyliner. True, it only measures the 1st cylinder, but that is better than the average of the whole intake stroke. That is the advantage of our EFI to others like Megasquirt. The vacuum to the 2nd cylinder will be adjusted by O2 feedback. Plus, the pulsations tell us the phase info of the 4-strokes, making our EFI full sequential! no waste sparks, no double fuel injections! For this engine, running at 14000RPM, without the full sequential, good luck! Last futzed with by ecotrons; January 5th, 2012 at 10:10 PM. |
|
|
December 17th, 2011, 01:43 AM | #217 |
The 250r is my wifes bike
Name: Dave
Location: Canyon Country LA
Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Drz440 DS/SM - 2008 250R Ninja (Got it for the wife but i ride it too) Posts: 23
|
Good to know! I come from the car world. Forced induction is my game bean tuning supras and others for years.
__________________________________________________
My Resto Mods |
|
December 17th, 2011, 08:17 AM | #218 | |
-
Name: -
Location: -
Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.
|
Quote:
All I can say is wow, you keep impressing me with your Ecotrons setup. As you know I've spent a lot of time over the last couple of years working on fuel injecting my '05 EX-250 FI as a hobby, so when I say I'm impressed by you using the pulse-trace of a MAP sensor hooked to a single cylinder as a means of "establishing sync" for full sequential injection, I really mean it. Up till right now when I read your response to that last post I believed that to achieve full sequential fuel injection you had to install a Hall sensor on the camshaft, and here you come and do it with the information that the MAP sensor was providing all along. Very elegant solution to an old fuel injection problem, even more impressive because it's simple. And, yes, I see why only one cylinder is used for the MAP signal. If you know the engine's architecture (i.e. the EX-250 is a flat crank, parallel twin) then when you figure out where the cylinder with the MAP on it is in the 4-stroke cycle then you instantly know where the other cylinders will be. Very elegant solution. Matt, would you be willing to help me out with a little information on this? I'd love to build a little stand-alone circuit for my own FI project bike that would use the a MAP signal from a single cylinder to simulate (and be used in place of) the output from a camshaft Hall sensor. Just sitting here thinking about it I've already begun to come up with ideas but could you perhaps give me a quick, basic circuit sketch that I could work from? Greg |
|
|
December 17th, 2011, 06:05 PM | #219 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Rob
Location: So Cal
Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 Posts: 14
|
does anyone know how to run the ecu in open loop mode? as per in the installation directions it states that you should run the ecu in open loop b4 installing the o2 sensors on the header. Is this done via ecu settings or does this automatically happen when there is no o2 sensor plugged in?
|
|
December 17th, 2011, 10:18 PM | #220 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
|
|
|
December 17th, 2011, 10:24 PM | #221 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
But for this PNP kit, you don't have to run open loop first (that's for DIY tuning engines), becausei it's already tuned. You can run close-loop immediately after installations. If you change the intake / exhaust systems significantly, and notice over-lean or rich conditions, then you may run open-loop and tune the base fuel maps. For guys that do track-racing and upgrade the engine with a lot of performance parts, open loop tuning is likely a must. Matt |
|
|
January 24th, 2012, 07:57 PM | #222 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Brahmantio
Location: Jakarta
Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): N250R Posts: 101
|
Quote:
Since you posted the dynosheet yourself, then let me explain, and underlined that WE HAVE TUNED A LOT OF NINJA250R, I Mean A LOT, hundreds! . an 8 HP Difference is A LOT for a 1-2AFR difference, if you think richening the top end to around 13.5-13.2 can make up 8 HP, then please try proving it yourself Please dont forget that We're also a Dynojet Tuner and handled a LOT of EFI bike from 150cc to 1800cc harleys and up to now theres no more update about the throttle body you promised to make. |
|
|
January 25th, 2012, 11:50 AM | #223 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
If you think the bigger size of throttle bodies is better for your application, you can order some customer throttle bodies. There are some companies are good at that. Our EFI can work with any size of throttle bodies suitable. You can tune it with your own throttle body. Hopefully you can handle that since you've tuned so many EFI bikes. Last futzed with by ecotrons; January 25th, 2012 at 05:58 PM. |
|
|
January 25th, 2012, 05:43 PM | #224 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Brahmantio
Location: Jakarta
Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): N250R Posts: 101
|
I cant comment on the oem efi bike since we never tuned one. Its not available yet in our country.
And i already stated that your kit is sufficient for standard day to day appkicatin, but not for fully tunedcrace bike. And you yourself is the one promising to work on a bigger throttle body. Or did you forget? What dissapointing is you're selling these without thorough testing on your side,so the words pnp become plug n pray instead of plug n play. EfI is better than carb, period. If not we're not spending lots of money on a dyno machine. But the dyno also tells us that some components works and others dont. And what it told about your kit i already posted earlier. Theres a huge market here for your kit. If you can make this kit works nicely and stable, people already asking me about it. But for now i cant recommend it to anyone. |
|
January 25th, 2012, 06:28 PM | #225 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
Some customers take those installations, tests, and even some tuning, as fun and exciting experiments. We welcome that. After all, the EFI conversion is suppose to bring knowledge to users. True, bigger throttle bodies have some advantages on racing, because racers pretty much have only 2 conditions: idle or WOT. But fabricating new throttle bodies is expensive. We can do that, only it will become un-affordable for probably most people if volume is not there. |
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 05:57 PM | #226 |
Crash
Name: Wade
Location: Fort Polk
Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2005 SV650S, 2005 Ninja 250R(wife drives this one) Posts: 18
|
BIG QUESTION? will it work on the older model 250s as well ie 2005???
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 06:12 PM | #227 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
For this EFI kit to work on a variant of Ninja 250 "x", 2 things need be identified: 1) stator and pickup signal must be same as 250R (four pulses per rev, firing 180 degree apart). 2) carb spacing and size are same, so the dual throttle body can be installed. The rest can be easily adapted. The IC (ignitor controller) may need to re-pinned. Some tuning is likely needed. The point is that EFI is so flexible for fuel controls that is almost universal for these engines. The challenges usually come from mechanical installations and adaptations, which many users can handle. |
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 06:16 PM | #228 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 06:31 PM | #229 |
Crash
Name: Wade
Location: Fort Polk
Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2005 SV650S, 2005 Ninja 250R(wife drives this one) Posts: 18
|
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 06:44 PM | #230 |
Super Noob
Name: Alex
Location: Mobile, AL
Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, '84 Honda Spree 50cc Posts: A lot.
|
Well, I'll admit I'm ignorant about the kit and EFI systems in general, but as soon as you've perfected the kit to be truly PNP and worked out all the kinks, you will have yourself a customer. I have decided not to buy a slip-on but to save up for your kit. Thanks for your continued efforts and keep up the good work.
|
|
January 26th, 2012, 06:53 PM | #231 | ||
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
For those who have concerns on the max power or performance of this EFI kit, take a look at antoher thread on this forum (page #14):
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...833#post430833 A groups of guys (all "non-professional" tuners) installed the kits. Their initial results may be supprisingly good to some suspicious people. Quote of @Scattcatt : Quote:
Quote:
He has some performance parts already, like CF Yoshi exhaust system and K&N filter pods. He tuned the kit by himself with a laptop on the back. Last futzed with by ecotrons; January 28th, 2012 at 10:15 AM. |
||
|
January 30th, 2012, 08:59 PM | #232 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Tom
Location: Park Ridge
Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R SE (EX250JAFA) Posts: 16
|
What size is the bung that need to be installed on the muffler, 18mm?
what o2 sensor is used in the kit? |
|
February 3rd, 2012, 05:12 PM | #233 |
The 250r is my wifes bike
Name: Dave
Location: Canyon Country LA
Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Drz440 DS/SM - 2008 250R Ninja (Got it for the wife but i ride it too) Posts: 23
|
Take my advice pay the extra money and get the eom FI TB don't even bother with the ones offered with the kit! I returned my kit and went back to carbs because of the cheap TB that come with the kit.
__________________________________________________
My Resto Mods |
|
February 4th, 2012, 11:16 AM | #234 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Matt
Location: MI
Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 169
|
Quote:
It is a generic narrow-band, heated, and film-type oxygen sensor. Bosch calls this tech LSF sensors. It's the same tech as the millions O2 sensors used on today's cars. BTW, it should not to be installed on the "muffler", but should be installed 3-5" downstream of the exhaust port. EDIT: 3-5". Last futzed with by ecotrons; February 4th, 2012 at 04:53 PM. |
|
|
February 4th, 2012, 02:16 PM | #235 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Steve
Location: New Mexico
Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R, 2004 Kawasaki ZRX1200R, 1985 Kawasaki 750 Turbo Posts: 118
|
|
|
February 8th, 2012, 06:34 PM | #236 | |
ninjette.org member
Name: Super Tune
Location: USA
Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 250R Posts: 38
|
Quote:
|
|
|
February 9th, 2012, 04:06 PM | #237 |
ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jay
Location: CT
Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2015 636 ABS - 69 Honda 305 Posts: A lot.
|
if i dont end up buying an aprilia this year ill have to snag this kit
|
|
February 16th, 2012, 11:17 AM | #238 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Bri
Location: SF Bay Area, California
Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Posts: 19
|
Anyone in the SF Bay Area down to install this on my bike? I'll pay you
|
|
February 16th, 2012, 12:06 PM | #239 |
Jigglin' your Jiglets
Name: Sean
Location: San Jose, Ca
Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 1
MOTM - Apr '13
|
o.O How much?
__________________________________________________
If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs |
|
February 16th, 2012, 12:08 PM | #240 |
ninjette.org member
Name: Bri
Location: SF Bay Area, California
Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Posts: 19
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
ECOTRONS EFI Kit Question | patriots21 | 2008 - 2012 Ninja 250R Tech Talk | 20 | October 3rd, 2015 09:19 AM |
My Experience with the EcoTrons EFI kit | lolibater | 1986 - 2007 Ninja 250R Tech Talk | 106 | February 19th, 2015 10:14 AM |
Ecotron's EFI Kit | parox91 | Motorcycle-related | 11 | August 13th, 2013 04:52 AM |
DIY: Installing the Ecotrons EFI Kit on a Pregen | n4mwd | Videos | 174 | May 10th, 2013 08:48 AM |
EFI kit | Racer x | 2008 - 2012 Ninja 250R Tech Talk | 138 | May 15th, 2011 01:47 PM |
|
|