August 11th, 2011, 05:02 PM | #1 |
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Better than Kerosene - A New Chain Cleaner
There have been multiple threads about the best way to clean one's chain before reapplying chain lube. Usually this is in context of why WD-40 works, but isn't completely ideal. General consensus has been to use kerosene. Here is one such lengthy discussion, including some test results on o-ring degradation from various cleaners: Recommended Alternatives to Chain Cleaning. In short, testing showed that prolonged exposure reduced o-ring strength by about 20% if you use WD-40, but only by about 10% if you used kerosene. And all the other cleaners were much, much worse.
So based on limited options, some doubt about WD-40, kerosene it is. But there is a fairly new product which may be the best yet. The genius chemists at Dupont tried to get a good cleaner that didn't degrade o-rings at all, and came up with a chain cleaner that they say is environmentally friendly and better for o-rings than even kerosene. Webbikeworld loves it, and raved about it sufficiently that I've just bought a couple of cans to try out. I'll report in. Here is the link to the webbikeworld review.
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August 11th, 2011, 05:08 PM | #2 |
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I'd like to hear about your experience with it after you use it. I'm skeptical about any heavy duty cleaner "safe for use on x"
I have a parts cleaner at work using a solvent that's supposed to be more environmentally friendly and I swear I could clean greasy parts just as well with water.
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August 11th, 2011, 05:44 PM | #3 |
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I never use any type of cleaner or solvent on a motorcycle chain. If I think the chain is lookin a bit dirty, I use gear lube to lube it and then let it sling off on it's own (I actually have a bit of a procedure I go through). So every 3rd or 4th lubing is gear lube instead of the usual lube I use. I get excellent chain and sprocket wear
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August 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM | #4 |
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The before and after pics in the WBW review were very impressive. Keep in mind that they did have to scrub and repeat but that is just part of chain cleaning.
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August 11th, 2011, 06:44 PM | #5 |
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Kerosene is a much more effective cleaner when it's heated.
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I've seen this online but have yet to see it at my local motorcycle shops or other shops for that matter.
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August 11th, 2011, 07:24 PM | #7 |
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Check tractor supply store, or some of the larger walmarts have it in the auto sections.
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Edit: going to scrounge the stores after works.
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I use the Dupont teflon stuff and if it is applied liberally it cleans pretty well before it dries. My buddy used it to touch up his chain before we hit the twisties and it took his petroleum lube right off. I used to do the whole WD-40, then kerosene, and relube with wax or we but I have noticed no difference or problems in lubing how I do. And this is in a town where chain contaminants are EXTREME (constant dust/sand).
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November 20th, 2011, 08:25 AM | #10 |
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Been using the degreaser now for 2 chain cleanings/relubes and it works great. Science from DuPont showing it doesn't degrade o-rings is a nice change from Kerosine/WD-40, either of which are actually fine for short term exposure provided you clean them off. But this stuff works just as well without risk even on a long soak. Good stuff, recommended.
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November 20th, 2011, 09:38 AM | #11 |
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Floyd thanks for all the time and research you did on this! Saves the rest of us time and money. Next time I'm in Barbados I'll buy you a Banks brewski.
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November 20th, 2011, 11:29 AM | #12 |
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November 20th, 2011, 11:42 AM | #13 |
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I cant say that I know if this has been better or less effective than chemical cleaning but I've been blsting my chain with air from a scuba tank.Tank presure has been anywhere from 3000psi to few hunfred psi ( depending on what was left in the tank). It's quick, appears to be effective, almost no clean up i have about 17k on my stock chain.
The pressure is much higher than one can get from a home compressor and i have a hose tip that's maybe 1\ 8" opening. I mean...it seems to work OK. |
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November 20th, 2011, 12:36 PM | #14 |
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what do you use to lube your chain FLoyd? I figure I should probably be doing that soon....
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November 20th, 2011, 12:47 PM | #15 |
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You should lube every 300 or 400 miles. Lots of good options, but I prefer a lube that is relatively clean and not super gunky. So while they lube well and last long, avoid a graphite/moly lube. Super messy.
Maxima chain wax is very popular, and there are also similar waxes by Castrol, Repsol, BelRay, etc. all which will work well if you are cleaning and lubing regularly. Personally, I'm now using Dupont Teflon Multi-Use. Dupont also makes a purpose built Dupont Teflon Chain Saver lube specifically designed for motorcycle chains. The Dupont teflon multi use has been used widely in the motorcycling world for a long time with great success before Dupont's chain specific stuff came out, and I'm still using the old formula. It is a bit thinner and cleaner than the chain specific stuff, but won't last as long. I clean and lube often enough that it doesn't matter for my chain, thus my preference for multi-use. I like how clean it goes on, and it is a bit cheaper where I buy.
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Thanks! Ill order some tomorrow
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November 20th, 2011, 02:01 PM | #17 |
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+1 on the Du Pont teflon chain saver. After I used up my can of PJ1 blue label, which was good stuff as well, I picked up a can of the Du Pont. It was cheaper and came in a bigger can than the PJ1 so why not. I noticed right away when I started to apply it on my chain that it dries quicker and feel more dry to the touch than the PJ1 which takes a bit longer to dry and feels more sticky. It remains to be seen but hopefully the more dry application of the Du Pont means that it will attract less dirt and grime.
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