Which side do you think is going to win the upcoming presidential election?

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Which party do you think is going to win? The way I see it, It is pivoting on what Flordia goes with.

[spooph]

We'll just have to wait and see. Regardless of what happens, it will be plainly obvious that the American people will get what they deserve for upholding the circus.

A bi-partisan vote is a vote for evil.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by spooph

We'll just have to wait and see. Regardless of what happens, it will be plainly obvious that the American people will get what they deserve for upholding the circus.

A bi-partisan vote is a vote for evil.

So true, only extremist are true believers. Everyone else are traders of our once great nation and should be hung as such.

[DEFY]

I've been telling my gf since the candidates were announced that if Trump is elected I'm leaving America. But that's my view on the race.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by DEFY

I've been telling my gf since the candidates were announced that if Trump is elected I'm leaving America. But that's my view on the race.

I don't really want Trump to win, but Sanders just can't win... This years election is like the throw outs of the worst. Its normally not very good, but I can't believe how bad it is this year. I have to stand with the republican side this year just because of how bad the democrats are, but I can't honestly back anyone.

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by DEFY

I've been telling my gf since the candidates were announced that if Trump is elected I'm leaving America. But that's my view on the race.

In other news: Canada is considering erecting a giant wall to help restrict and control the flow of an expected massive exodus of refugee's across the border.

On stock markets around the world; popcorn futures are rapidly rising in price.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

In other news: Canada is considering erecting a giant wall to help restrict and control the flow of an expected massive exodus of refugee's across the border.

On stock markets around the world; popcorn futures are rapidly rising in price.

Where are my extra 387 post when I need them. I guess all I can give you is a .

[DEFY]

In other news, rather than looking at South Carolina as a state of people they have decided to make it all racial. Stating things like they have better odds cause the people of other colors are more vast in the area. Didn't they just fight to have the confederate flag removed?

[VaFish]

I don't know who is going to win, bit I know the American people are going to lose.

[toEleven]

South Park remains sadly relevant.
That's Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich, if the picture wasn't explanatory enough. That particular election episode was ~2004

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by spooph

A bi-partisan vote is a vote for evil.

Don't you mean a partisan vote?

The single worst thing in the politics of recent years is extreme partisanship. One side absolutely despising the other to the point where nobody even tries to get anything done. Enemies, not adversaries. Total knee-jerk responses that bear no relation to whether an idea is good or bad in itself. If the other guy suggested it, it's automatically the worst idea ever.

This is why I registered as an independent. Because rigid ideology is destructive. I've voted for both parties in the past.

This time... well, I don't like to talk about things like that. All it does is piss people off.

Waiting for this thread to go to hell once someone starts flinging poo.

I will say this, though: If you do believe strongly in one side or the other, you should recognize that it's MORE important to vote in members of Congress who uphold your position than it is to elect your favorite candidate for President. We've seen how disfunctional a divided Congress is.

If a Democrat wins, expect four more years just like the last eight.
If a Republican wins, turn the coin over and expect the same damned thing in reverse.

Unless we get the administration and the Congress on the same page.

[RacinNinja]

Doesn't matter who gets into office....the people of this country will be screwed no matter what. It's a lesser of two evils vote this year, just like past years. I don't like any of the candidates.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Don't you mean a partisan vote?

The single worst thing in the politics of recent years is extreme partisanship. One side absolutely despising the other to the point where nobody even tries to get anything done. Enemies, not adversaries. Total knee-jerk responses that bear no relation to whether an idea is good or bad in itself. If the other guy suggested it, it's automatically the worst idea ever.

This is why I registered as an independent. Because rigid ideology is destructive. I've voted for both parties in the past.

This time... well, I don't like to talk about things like that. All it does is piss people off.

Waiting for this thread to go to hell once someone starts flinging poo.

I will say this, though: If you do believe strongly in one side or the other, you should recognize that it's MORE important to vote in members of Congress who uphold your position than it is to elect your favorite candidate for President. We've seen how disfunctional a divided Congress is.

If a Democrat wins, expect four more years just like the last eight.
If a Republican wins, turn the coin over and expect the same damned thing in reverse.

Unless we get the administration and the Congress on the same page.

He was being facetious or sarcastic I'm not sure which.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Waiting for this thread to go to hell once someone starts flinging poo.

If a Democrat wins, expect four more years just like the last eight.
If a Republican wins, turn the coin over and expect the same damned thing in reverse.

So much to reply to...

First, I completely agree about the voting for congress part.

Second, yeah, I knew posting this thread was a risky move, but hey, I was bored.

Third, if Clinton wins it will likely be another 4-8 like the previous 8 years, but if Sanders comes, the taxes are going to go up, more money is going to be wasted, and he is likely going to attempt to raise the minimum wage to some obscene value (I believe an increase would be good, but not the same ball park he is talking).

Fourth, Although the Republicans do have a lot of conflicting opinions with the democrats, they aren't butting heads like everyone likes to think. They are still not commies or anarchist. They do have things in common and they do settle in a middle ground.

[Somchai]

Found this today: "No society wants to admit economic failure or economic sabotage, and this is why the con-game is able to continue in the face of so much concrete truth."
And here's my addition:
Does someone here really think or believe that there are honest persons to find anywhere in this world governments of scumbag?
Those persons have to be blackmailable for those behind them.

[spooph]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Don't you mean a partisan vote?

I completely agree with your entire response. I'm not very political-phrase savvy. I mean, if a vote goes to either side, the vote will perpetuate the Republican/Democrat system of control and manipulation where issues are lumped in together and people end up taking a side they only agree partially with.

I hope this election shows 33/33/33 so that people can realize there are other options out there, and only through education and building the proper values of what it means to be an American can we find a common ground to build a better country with.

At the end of the day, who doesn't want to be 1.) Free, 2.) Safe, and have a 3.) good life?

We can do that, together. We're all Americans, and we all need to bear the burden of our nation. We are, afterall, "We the People", not "We the Democrats, We the Republicans, We the minorities, etc,etc".

[cbinker]

To be honest, i am leaning Trump. I agree with a larger portion of what he says, not all but a large. The matter of politics comes into play is he saying that to get votes? or is he full on intent on pushing through what he says. He is the only one on the list that isn't owned by big corporations. He has the freedom to say what he wants when he wants and not worry about a backer withdrawing from supporting him.

The important thing to consider the next 4-8 years is what kind of Commander and Chief do we want in office? Do we want one that Russia respects? or do we want one that will bow to the EU?

[VaFish]

I just want the gay couples to be able to protect their pot plants with automatic weapons.

Haven't found that candidate yet.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by cbinker

To be honest, i am leaning Trump. I agree with a larger portion of what he says, not all but a large. The matter of politics comes into play is he saying that to get votes? or is he full on intent on pushing through what he says. He is the only one on the list that isn't owned by big corporations. He has the freedom to say what he wants when he wants and not worry about a backer withdrawing from supporting him.

The important thing to consider the next 4-8 years is what kind of Commander and Chief do we want in office? Do we want one that Russia respects? or do we want one that will bow to the EU?

I also agree with a large portion of Trumps political statement, yet also disagree with a sizeable chunk. The largest problem I have with Trump isn't his political opinion though, the problem is his personality. I don't think that his personality would make for a good president of america, the president is supposed to represent us as a whole, and I wouldn't send Trump to represent me on a judge of character.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

I also agree with a large portion of Trumps political statement, yet also disagree with a sizeable chunk. The largest problem I have with Trump isn't his political opinion though, the problem is his personality. I don't think that his personality would make for a good president of america, the president is supposed to represent us as a whole, and I wouldn't send Trump to represent me on a judge of character.

the red is the problem, f- personality, that is the problem with society everyone wants someone with a good personality, instead of Character. Does Trump have character flaws, yeah, so does everyone else in this country. quit looking at personality and evaluate the character of anyone running for office.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by cbinker

the red is the problem, f- personality, that is the problem with society everyone wants someone with a good personality, instead of Character. Does Trump have character flaws, yeah, so does everyone else in this country. quit looking at personality and evaluate the character of anyone running for office.

By personality I meant character. I guess I use those words interchangeably when they aren't the same.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

By personality I meant character. I guess I use those words interchangeably when they aren't the same.

yeah, word meaning and usage is very important to discussions of this nature.

So what is wrong with Trump's character? he has some exceptional character traits that make him a prime candidate for leadership.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by cbinker

yeah, word meaning and usage is very important to discussions of this nature.

So what is wrong with Trump's character? he has some exceptional character traits that make him a prime candidate for leadership.

He is a bit obnoxious and almost goes out of his way to be politically uncorrect. Now I agree we don't have time for being to PC, however, you have to watch what you are saying when you hold a role like that. He is also a Narcissist which again, I don't really have a problem with, but for a president, it is not the best character trait.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

He is a bit obnoxious and almost goes out of his way to be politically incorrect. Now I agree we don't have time for being to PC, however, you have to watch what you are saying when you hold a role like that. He is also a Narcissist which again, I don't really have a problem with, but for a president, it is not the best character trait.

If you look at the definition of Obnoxious, you will see that to be true of the words he uses and the lack of tact he has. But more often then not some facts are "obnoxious".

You don't have to watch what you say, you have to watch how you say it. It doesn't help that the entire political culture of DC is afraid of him, so they will use all media resources available to attack him.

If he was a true Narcissist, he would not do the random acts of kindness that he does. His confidence, decisiveness and ambitions lead people to see him as a Narcissist.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by VaFish

I just want the gay couples to be able to protect their pot plants with automatic weapons.

Haven't found that candidate yet.

You will be my write-in candidate.
VaFish for president!

Everyone will love The Pot Party.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by VaFish

I just want the gay couples to be able to protect their pot plants with automatic weapons.

Haven't found that candidate yet.

Originally Posted by allanoue

You will be my write-in candidate.
VaFish for president!

Everyone will love The Pot Party.

To add to that, we should get rid of every tax system we currently have, and run the tax system solely off of sales tax with no way to avoid the sales tax to anybody for any reason. (This problem completely solves the Illegal Alien problem, and is solves the problem of the black market. Nobody would be able to avoid income tax.)

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

To add to that, we should get rid of every tax system we currently have, and run the tax system solely off of sales tax with no way to avoid the sales tax to anybody for any reason. (This problem completely solves the Illegal Alien problem, and is solves the problem of the black market. Nobody would be able to avoid income tax.)

Value added tax?
That sounds to complicated for The Pot Party.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

To add to that, we should get rid of every tax system we currently have, and run the tax system solely off of sales tax with no way to avoid the sales tax to anybody for any reason. (This problem completely solves the Illegal Alien problem, and is solves the problem of the black market. Nobody would be able to avoid income tax.)

that is a logical stance, that neither party could understand.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by cbinker

that is a logical stance, that neither party could understand.

And to make it worse, even though Independents have calmly and logically represented this, or similar ideas, nobody ever votes indipendent. (OK fine, people vote independent, but an independent will never win )

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

And to make it worse, even though Independents have calmly and logically represented this, or similar ideas, nobody ever votes indipendent. (OK fine, people vote independent, but an independent will never win )

[MrAtom]

IM VOTING FOR THE BLACK GUY BECAUSE IM NOT RACIST

Wait... There is no black guy this year? I have no opportunity to prove I'm not racist by not looking at the policies of the person I'm electing and only at the color of their skin?

WELL IM VOTING FOR THE WOMAN BECAUSE IM NOT SEXIST!!!!11

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

To add to that, we should get rid of every tax system we currently have, and run the tax system solely off of sales tax with no way to avoid the sales tax to anybody for any reason. (This problem completely solves the Illegal Alien problem, and is solves the problem of the black market. Nobody would be able to avoid income tax.)

The basic problem with that is that it's regressive. Why? Because poor people must spend a larger portion of their income in order to survive. Higher income earners have the luxury of saving.

Don't think this is true? Go find a minimum-wage worker and ask if they're able to put anything aside for retirement.

We've all had crappy, low-income jobs from time to time. When you did, were you able to save? Or did you wind up spending it all?

Therefore those at the bottom wind up paying out a much larger portion of their income in tax than those at the top. Thus a much higher effective tax rate.

Simple example to illustrate the point:

Let's say you're in the tough spot of living paycheck-to-paycheck, which is true of way too many people in this country. Every month you must spend all you bring in. A VAT on everything means that every single one of those dollars gets taxed.

But if you make so much that you can put away $1000 a month, then that $1000 is never taxed at all. That part of your income isn't doing a darned thing to contribute to tax revenues. And whether you like it or not, we NEED tax revenues.

The counterargument is that those at the top consume more and therefore pay more tax in absolute terms (more dollars). True, but the problem is that it doesn't balance out for the above reason. Their effective rate (tax dollars divided by total income) is lower -- compared to the poor person, the rich person isn't paying his or her fair share.

So once again, the little guy gets screwed and the rich are just fine.

To make it fair, you have to start down the slippery slope of exemptions, credits, subsidies, etc. etc. etc.

What I'd do to help fix the tax problem is eliminate the difference between capital gains rates and ordinary income rates.

Check this out:
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/capgain.htm

If you're in the top tax bracket, every dollar you declare as ordinary income is taxed at 39.6%. But your capital gains rate is only 20%. So put yourself there. What do you do? You negotiate your "pay" so that it takes the form of stock. You sell the stock to bring in cash and hey, guess what -- capital gains.

I'm a working stiff who can't afford to earn my income through capital gains. So I pay a higher rate than that.

You know how CEOs sometimes cut their salary to a single dollar? Seems magnanimous, but that's BS. They do it so that their tax rate can be lower than yours.

[Somchai]

Sometimes a picture's telling more than words...

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by Somchai

Sometimes a picture's telling more than words...

And you assume that $30 billion could be removed from the defense budget with no side effects? Freedom isn't free.

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

And you assume that $30 billion could be removed from the defense budget with no side effects? Freedom isn't free.

The 'merican military means nothing about defense but all about attack
http://www.tanosborn.com/columns/201...ocaustic-crime

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by Somchai

The 'merican military means nothing about defense but all about attack
http://www.tanosborn.com/columns/201...ocaustic-crime

So our American Military "means nothing" about the freedom and protection of our citizens, the citizen of our allies, along with the piece of mind?

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

So our American Military "means nothing" about the freedom and protection of our citizens, the citizen of our allies, along with the piece of mind?

Please tell me the name of only one country from which your country or citizens is under attack.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by Somchai

Please tell me the name of only one country from which your country or citizens is under attack.

Well Isil (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) the terrorist group that is currently controlling the middle east and recently constructed a terrorist attack in Paris France. (I believe you have heard of them) does hate America, threatened to attack America (as a matter of fact, on their kill lost is a guy from a town my first job was in, just north of where I live) and they could attack America if the ever got a chance. Part of the reason I enlisted in the Marines. Many innocent American citizens and locals from the middle east have been harmed and or killed in the middle east from terrorist groups. The middle east is full of really nice people, but a few idiots can create a bug problem, and the American government is doing the beat they can to solve the problem. (While staying PC)

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by HoneyBadgerRy

Well Isil (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) the terrorist group that is currently controlling the middle east and recently constructed a terrorist attack in Paris France. (I believe you have heard of them) does hate America, threatened to attack America (as a matter of fact, on their kill lost is a guy from a town my first job was in, just north of where I live) and they could attack America if the ever got a chance. Part of the reason I enlisted in the Marines. Many innocent American citizens and locals from the middle east have been harmed and or killed in the middle east from terrorist groups. The middle east is full of really nice people, but a few idiots can create a bug problem, and the American government is doing the beat they can to solve the problem. (While staying PC)

I've been waiting for an answer like this, so with all respect let me ask you if you really believe this propaganda?
I'm sure, if you don't know by now, you'll find the answer about who created this 'monster'.

[HoneyBadgerRy]

Originally Posted by Somchai

I've been waiting for an answer like this, so with all respect let me ask you if you really believe this propaganda?
I'm sure, if you don't know by now, you'll find the answer about who created this 'monster'.

If you talking about how to deal with Russia we trained a group of middle Eastern a how to act like terrorist and bomb Russian basses and take their nation back. But then when we were in their nation and they didn't want us to be there, they used the tactics we taught them against us, and since we didn't leave the anger and hate grew. Yeah I know about it. We made a mistake and we are trying to fix it.