Run Both Headlights?

tlhamon · August 5th, 2009, 12:22 PM

I didn't see a DIY anywhere for this, has anyone done this one yet? I'm going to install some halo rings so I figured I would do this too. Seems to me it's as simple as running both lights off of the lowbeam wires and taping off the highbeam only. If no one has done it yet, let me know and I will post pics and instructions.

Snake · August 5th, 2009, 12:26 PM

Sounds like a cool mod but I am not sure that the generator can handle the load of both high and low beam at the same time.

tlhamon · August 5th, 2009, 12:28 PM

It should if both lights operate in high beam mode. They do don't they? I never got off of my bike to look.

DarkNinja52 · August 5th, 2009, 12:41 PM

they do.. i've checked
i'd like to see this project

kkim · August 5th, 2009, 12:57 PM

ummm... so what 's wrong with just leaving the highbeam light switch in the on position?

you might want to be able to turn off the highbeam someday.

Broom · August 5th, 2009, 01:22 PM

you might even run across someone who won't pass your inspection

DarkNinja52 · August 5th, 2009, 01:25 PM

hmm sounds like some valid points, any other ways it could be done?

Snake · August 5th, 2009, 02:14 PM

You could wire then into a seperate switch independent of the high/low switch.

Broom · August 5th, 2009, 02:21 PM

i'm confused, are you trying to change your stock light setup, or add additional lights?

CRXTrek · August 5th, 2009, 06:14 PM

One light will always be brighter than the other...it's the reflector that is different between the bulbs.

dimeified · August 5th, 2009, 06:23 PM

You go ahead and activate both your lights thinking its a cool idea, then get caught in some fog on the way home from a trip. When your staring at a bright white sheet of fog 5 feet in front of you, you can remember it was me that told you not to mod your bike like this. Having the option of only 1 light on low beam is important, it helps keep the road lit, but also minimizes the amount of reflection of fog blinding your sight.

P1NDLESK1N · August 5th, 2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimeified

You go ahead and activate both your lights thinking its a cool idea, then get caught in some fog on the way home from a trip. When your staring at a bright white sheet of fog 5 feet in front of you, you can remember it was me that told you not to mod your bike like this. Having the option of only 1 light on low beam is important, it helps keep the road lit, but also minimizes the amount of reflection of fog blinding your sight.

Last time I rode in fog, running my high beam only helped my vision.
Maybe it wasn't thick enough.

dimeified · August 5th, 2009, 07:24 PM

From my own experiences in a car, low beams work better for me in fog. I decided to do a quick google and came up with this...
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/saf...s/badfog.shtml

edit: http://bcrider.com/lowtraffic.html <-- this website is specific to motorcycles and concurs with my point.

P1NDLESK1N · August 5th, 2009, 07:40 PM

Looks like these people are driving in a cloud.

DarkNinja52 · August 5th, 2009, 07:45 PM

yea i agree with dimeified. cars also have fog lights for these reasons

Focus Mike · August 5th, 2009, 09:07 PM

I wouldn't mess with it personally. Wouldn't it also blind oncoming drivers? I don't think its a wise idea.

Ken08Ninja · August 6th, 2009, 12:13 AM

Like kkim said both lights are on when you turn on the highbeams, no mod needed.

maglin · August 6th, 2009, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

One light will always be brighter than the other...it's the reflector that is different between the bulbs.

Correct. The only way it could have the same brightness is to experiment with the lenght of the bulbs.

When I had my low beam with xenon bulb and high with alogen (wich is shorter) the light reached at the same distance.

HKr1 · August 6th, 2009, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tlhamon

I didn't see a DIY anywhere for this, has anyone done this one yet? I'm going to install some halo rings so I figured I would do this too. Seems to me it's as simple as running both lights off of the lowbeam wires and taping off the highbeam only. If no one has done it yet, let me know and I will post pics and instructions.

Post them up.

demp · August 6th, 2009, 09:25 AM

? Why would anyone want PERMA-High Beams anyways?, personally I like the option to turn them on or off as it suits me oO

DarkNinja52 · August 6th, 2009, 09:32 AM

Im not even sure what the original question/idea was anymore

HKr1 · August 6th, 2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNinja52

Im not even sure what the original question/idea was anymore

Thats why I was hoping for instructions

tlhamon · August 6th, 2009, 04:37 PM

At some point people stopped understanding my original intent - Modify the lights so that both lights are on at all times, NOT highbeams at all times. The modification looks to be quite simple; just using the low beam wire for both lights. The relay switches the low beam light to high beam and simply shuts off the high beam in low beam mode. So, just tape off the high beam wire. The switch will server the same function, just that both lights will always function.

HKr1 · August 6th, 2009, 04:40 PM

^ But you have a high beam bulb & a low beam bulb, there not dual filments like an H-4.

CRXTrek · August 6th, 2009, 06:16 PM

the bulbs are both 55 watt,it's the reflectors behind the bulbs that make one seem brighter than the other

DarkNinja52 · August 6th, 2009, 06:45 PM

interesting, i just want to see the halo rings when your done, is there a DIY for this or are you doing that also?

Ken08Ninja · August 6th, 2009, 07:20 PM

You can buy HID projectors with angel eyes from F-Sane on Kawiforums. Then you will have two lights on all the time and when you switch to high beam a flap moves to increase the light output.
It is not cheap and it requires slot of modifications to the headlight housing but the light output is amazing.
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August 5th, 2009, 12:22 PM	#1
tlhamon ninjette.org member Name: Thomas Location: Traverse City, MI Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): None Yet Posts: 183	Run Both Headlights? I didn't see a DIY anywhere for this, has anyone done this one yet? I'm going to install some halo rings so I figured I would do this too. Seems to me it's as simple as running both lights off of the lowbeam wires and taping off the highbeam only. If no one has done it yet, let me know and I will post pics and instructions. __________________________________________________ It's not worth doing if you aren't completely stressed out about it.

August 5th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#3
tlhamon ninjette.org member Name: Thomas Location: Traverse City, MI Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): None Yet Posts: 183	It should if both lights operate in high beam mode. They do don't they? I never got off of my bike to look. __________________________________________________ It's not worth doing if you aren't completely stressed out about it.

August 5th, 2009, 12:41 PM	#4
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	they do.. i've checked i'd like to see this project __________________________________________________

August 5th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#6
Broom Track Junkie Name: Jon Location: Dallas Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r Track Bike, DR350 commuter, KDX220 woods bike Posts: 602	you might even run across someone who won't pass your inspection __________________________________________________ Las Escobas -- Track Bikes Save Lives JonBroom.com

August 5th, 2009, 01:25 PM	#7
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	hmm sounds like some valid points, any other ways it could be done? __________________________________________________

August 5th, 2009, 12:26 PM	#2
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Sounds like a cool mod but I am not sure that the generator can handle the load of both high and low beam at the same time.

August 5th, 2009, 12:57 PM	#5
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	ummm... so what 's wrong with just leaving the highbeam light switch in the on position? you might want to be able to turn off the highbeam someday.

August 5th, 2009, 02:14 PM	#8
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	You could wire then into a seperate switch independent of the high/low switch.

August 5th, 2009, 02:21 PM	#9
Broom Track Junkie Name: Jon Location: Dallas Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r Track Bike, DR350 commuter, KDX220 woods bike Posts: 602	i'm confused, are you trying to change your stock light setup, or add additional lights? __________________________________________________ Las Escobas -- Track Bikes Save Lives JonBroom.com

August 5th, 2009, 06:14 PM	#10
CRXTrek FORMER MOTORCYCLE RIDER Name: Steve Location: On a Trek SU200 or in my CRX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Rode an 08 250r then rode an 08 ZX-6R until i totaled it on 7/10/10 Posts: 758	One light will always be brighter than the other...it's the reflector that is different between the bulbs.

August 5th, 2009, 06:23 PM	#11
dimeified ninjette.org guru Name: Lucas Location: Pompton Lakes, NJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Blue 250R Posts: 446	You go ahead and activate both your lights thinking its a cool idea, then get caught in some fog on the way home from a trip. When your staring at a bright white sheet of fog 5 feet in front of you, you can remember it was me that told you not to mod your bike like this. Having the option of only 1 light on low beam is important, it helps keep the road lit, but also minimizes the amount of reflection of fog blinding your sight. __________________________________________________ 2 thumbs up

August 5th, 2009, 07:24 PM	#13
dimeified ninjette.org guru Name: Lucas Location: Pompton Lakes, NJ Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Blue 250R Posts: 446	From my own experiences in a car, low beams work better for me in fog. I decided to do a quick google and came up with this... http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/saf...s/badfog.shtml edit: http://bcrider.com/lowtraffic.html <-- this website is specific to motorcycles and concurs with my point. __________________________________________________ 2 thumbs up

August 5th, 2009, 07:40 PM	#14
P1NDLESK1N ninjette.org member Name: Dario Location: Suffolk County, NY Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 Ninja 300 (Sold), 2016 Z1000 Posts: 239	Looks like these people are driving in a cloud.

August 5th, 2009, 07:45 PM	#15
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	yea i agree with dimeified. cars also have fog lights for these reasons __________________________________________________

August 5th, 2009, 09:07 PM	#16
Focus Mike ninjette.org member Name: mike Location: chicago Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Blue Ninja 250R Posts: 68	I wouldn't mess with it personally. Wouldn't it also blind oncoming drivers? I don't think its a wise idea.

August 6th, 2009, 12:13 AM	#17
Ken08Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Ken Location: NY Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R Candy Plasma Blue Posts: 129	Like kkim said both lights are on when you turn on the highbeams, no mod needed.

August 6th, 2009, 09:25 AM	#20
demp ninjette.org sage Name: Matthew Location: Toronto Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 V-Star 950 Tourer (Deep Blue) Posts: 570	? Why would anyone want PERMA-High Beams anyways?, personally I like the option to turn them on or off as it suits me oO

August 6th, 2009, 09:32 AM	#21
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	Im not even sure what the original question/idea was anymore __________________________________________________

August 6th, 2009, 04:37 PM	#23
tlhamon ninjette.org member Name: Thomas Location: Traverse City, MI Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): None Yet Posts: 183	At some point people stopped understanding my original intent - Modify the lights so that both lights are on at all times, NOT highbeams at all times. The modification looks to be quite simple; just using the low beam wire for both lights. The relay switches the low beam light to high beam and simply shuts off the high beam in low beam mode. So, just tape off the high beam wire. The switch will server the same function, just that both lights will always function. __________________________________________________ It's not worth doing if you aren't completely stressed out about it.

August 6th, 2009, 04:40 PM	#24
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	^ But you have a high beam bulb & a low beam bulb, there not dual filments like an H-4.

August 6th, 2009, 06:16 PM	#25
CRXTrek FORMER MOTORCYCLE RIDER Name: Steve Location: On a Trek SU200 or in my CRX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Rode an 08 250r then rode an 08 ZX-6R until i totaled it on 7/10/10 Posts: 758	the bulbs are both 55 watt,it's the reflectors behind the bulbs that make one seem brighter than the other

August 6th, 2009, 06:45 PM	#26
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	interesting, i just want to see the halo rings when your done, is there a DIY for this or are you doing that also? __________________________________________________

August 6th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#27
Ken08Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Ken Location: NY Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R Candy Plasma Blue Posts: 129	You can buy HID projectors with angel eyes from F-Sane on Kawiforums. Then you will have two lights on all the time and when you switch to high beam a flap moves to increase the light output. It is not cheap and it requires slot of modifications to the headlight housing but the light output is amazing. Posted via Mobile Device

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