Ninja250r Vs Honda civic type R

Brittas · September 2nd, 2011, 11:31 PM

I own a 2010 ninja 250 with 1050 miles on the clock.The other day I set out early for work and found myself next to a Honda civic type R at the lights. It was the model before the latest one (0-60 in 6.3 secs)
I owned one for a while . They quick cars that rev to 9K.
The civic had a sports exhaust on by the sound of it.
Anyway the lights changed and off we went flat out to about 60mph where I had to turn off.
I pulled away from him up till 40ish. He was neck and neck with me till 50. Then He smoked me

Ninja did o.k up to 50ish. It was 200Hp Vs 30Hp lol.

DarC · September 3rd, 2011, 07:49 AM

Live2ride · September 3rd, 2011, 07:57 AM

I think you may have done it wrong. Unless that civic was supped up a bit more than just the exhaust. What rpm did u launch at?

rockNroll · September 3rd, 2011, 09:04 AM

Maybe he's a big guy? Weight makes a huge difference on a bike with sub-30 horsepower. So does incline.

DarC · September 3rd, 2011, 09:11 AM

Maybe the honduh had vtek modz? or noz? or BOTH!

Either way street racing is teh gheyest. Especially on a 250.

Ramen · September 3rd, 2011, 09:51 AM

Xoulrath · September 3rd, 2011, 11:49 AM

Sean describes it well (whether it was a joke or not).

Honda makes lovely torque-less motors that make unbelievable power on the top end.

This scenario sounds about right to me, regardless of the weight of the rider.

Oh, and uh, street racing is silly and potentially dangerous.

Brittas · September 3rd, 2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live2ride

I think you may have done it wrong. Unless that civic was supped up a bit more than just the exhaust. What rpm did u launch at?

About 8k could have lauched a bit quicker. It was above 50mph he reeled me in. Oh to have been on my KTM640 supermoto.

Brittas · September 3rd, 2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Sean describes it well (whether it was a joke or not).

Honda makes lovely torque-less motors that make unbelievable power on the top end.

This scenario sounds about right to me, regardless of the weight of the rider.

Oh, and uh, street racing is silly and potentially dangerous.

It sure is but at 5.30 am like it was only my pride was hurt.
I use my ninja as a comuter only at usually 40mph or less. At 40yrs old + I not exactly a street racer.

Lil_Green_Demon · September 3rd, 2011, 12:00 PM

Heed · September 3rd, 2011, 12:04 PM

Cool. Save racing for the track.

Xoulrath · September 3rd, 2011, 12:50 PM

Paul my comment about "street racing" was a joke. I mean honestly, if any guy (or girl that likes cars or bikes for that matter) can honestly raise their hand and say they have never done a stoplight drag race, then they are a saint.

There is a big difference between accelerating to 60-70 mph having a friendly straight line contest with the car or bike next to you and actual street racing.

Brittas · September 4th, 2011, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Paul my comment about "street racing" was a joke. I mean honestly, if any guy (or girl that likes cars or bikes for that matter) can honestly raise their hand and say they have never done a stoplight drag race, then they are a saint.

There is a big difference between accelerating to 60-70 mph having a friendly straight line contest with the car or bike next to you and actual street racing.

Yes sure straight line drag once in a while is just too much of a temptation.

gt_turbo · September 4th, 2011, 06:42 AM

civic type R? confused it doesn't exist in the US. you foreigners get all the nice ones.

Brittas · September 4th, 2011, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt_turbo

civic type R? confused it doesn't exist in the US. you foreigners get all the nice ones.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...e-r-2001.aspx?
The car in question..You missed out if you did't get this one.

choneofakind · September 4th, 2011, 07:53 AM

correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks just like a Civic Si. We have lots of those and they're awesome, and I want one!

and yes the vTec engine is great. My '95 civic with 188,000 miles (and climbing) is pretty gutless, but if you get it above 4k, it can keep its' own. In fact, its kind of fun in a slow way

Boom King · September 4th, 2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks just like a Civic Si. We have lots of those and they're awesome, and I want one!

It's definitely not a Si. The Type-R engine produces something like close to a 200 hp. It had an i-VTEC as opposed to just VTEC. I believe it also had upgraded welding, transmission and brakes. It makes the Si look like your grandma's Sunday church mobile. The best versions are always reserved for the JDM. I've heard that the latest generation Type-R is capable of pushing 222 horses at > 8000 rpm, and that's before any of the Japanese street tuners get their hands on it.

A guy I used to know back in the day had a 1999 Civic SiR. Told me that it made 160 horses once it hit over 7000 rpms. Not bad for a 1.6 litre.

Brittas · September 4th, 2011, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks just like a Civic Si. We have lots of those and they're awesome, and I want one!

and yes the vTec engine is great. My '95 civic with 188,000 miles (and climbing) is pretty gutless, but if you get it above 4k, it can keep its' own. In fact, its kind of fun in a slow way

I think the latest SI in the states has the same 197HP state of tune as the civic in question. Now the older shape civic is lighter and was quicker than the latest shape. The older shape SI in the states might have been 160HP.We had a model called the Civic type S which might have been the same.
That older model type R with 197 HP was a real cult car in the U.K.
Every Boy Racer wanted one lol. I think the japanese market version was even quicker with well over 200 HP.

thisisbenji · September 4th, 2011, 09:50 AM

Sounds like fun! I'v yet to have a stoplight race on my 250, I'm pretty sure the only cars that try to race me from stop lights would leave me in the dust. So I'd just rather not try I don't need any more tickets.

bettysmith · September 4th, 2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heed

Cool. Save racing for the track.

Yeah, save mildly speeding in a straight line for the track. Don't ever push yourself (even when riding in a straight line) on the street.

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 08:08 AM

Any of the newer 05+ Si here in the states would kill the 250 especially 50mph and up.. I use to have a 89civic hb, had a h22 motor.. that little car was fun.

thisisbenji · September 5th, 2011, 08:13 AM

I wouldn't say a Si would "kill" a 250. They're pretty much even up to about 60, at which point the Si starts to get away.

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 08:15 AM

Yeah kill may be a bit much .. it just will win ..lol

choneofakind · September 5th, 2011, 08:30 AM

so why do they save all the cool fun stuff for japan? Gimme some of that!!

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 09:28 AM

i believe the 2nd gen type R which the op is speaking of was made in the uk and mainly sold there.. not sure why.. dont think that year civic 7th gen 01-05, was very popular among the civic crowd.. the previous gen civic seems to be the most popular, 96-00 especially the 99-00 civic si having to be the most sought after civic in the US. or around me anyway ..haha!

thisisbenji · September 5th, 2011, 10:02 AM

I agree, I think the 92-00 Civics were the best. I drive a 95 ex coupe and have been to the dealer a few times to test drive the 2006-2011 civics and also the new one that just came out and I can't bring my self to replace my trusty 95 (which is in excellent shape).

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 10:05 AM

My one buddy has Been a Honda Guy since high-school..getting a new civic every 4-5 yrs. He went to trade his 06 si in a month or so ago and they were jumping all over him to buy his old one.. think they offered him like 15k.. he paid 21k for it 5 yrs ago. Can't beat there resale value.

alex.s · September 5th, 2011, 10:14 AM

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatwhiteninja

had a h22 motor...

I miss my 5th-gen Prelude SH.

headshrink · September 5th, 2011, 10:28 AM

I'm not too surprised. Some days my bike feels fast, and other days it feels slow. There are so many variables..... most of us here are re-jetting, etc., which makes a big difference, but how many of us do it less than optimally (I am raising my own hand)? I have smoked cars, and been smoked by soccer mom's too. I did beat a Ferrari once (stayed within 10 mph of speed limit), but I don't think he got the memo we were racing

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

I miss my 5th-gen Prelude SH.

I had the h22 jdm.. believe it was the h22a1 slightly different then the us prelude h22 .. 200hp.. it was a beast though in that little civic lol

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 11:31 AM

Wiki has a decent page on that whole series of motors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_H_Engine

10secdream · September 5th, 2011, 11:31 AM

This thread made me miss one of my old project cars. 1995 Civic Hatch CX with a K20A out of a 2005 DC5 Type R from Japan. Wow did that car ever move with full bolt ons and a tune.

Xoulrath · September 5th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

I miss my 5th-gen Prelude SH.

This entire thread has made me nostalgic about my '95 GS-R. Mmmm...8000 redline in a car? Yes please. Back when that was something special.

All of Honda's performance-oriented cars have had really great engines.

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

This entire thread has made me nostalgic about my '95 GS-R. Mmmm...8000 redline in a car?

Hey, I had a '95 GS-R too! Fun car! I think it was 8100 redline, right? I miss that car too...

Xoulrath · September 5th, 2011, 04:44 PM

Yeah, it was 8100, but honestly I had already typed 8000 and I thought, "I should go back and change that." But then I was like, "Nah, who's gonna notice?" Oops!

Alex · September 5th, 2011, 04:46 PM

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ungluck · September 5th, 2011, 05:37 PM

i find it more fun to beat up on civis on the ninja than in my jetta...@1946lbs and 493whp/406ft.lbs...most cars dont stand a chance..

btw..that civic makes 200chp...crank hors epower..not wheel..maybe 160wheel and it weighs 3k pounds...

greatwhiteninja · September 5th, 2011, 05:47 PM

actually alot of those k series cars don't lose much through the drivetrain.. they make like 190 whp.

ungluck · September 5th, 2011, 05:59 PM

not that i've seen on my dyno....most guys make 168whp in the newer kseries...

either way..99% of the ricers you will run into..own a loud slow car....it's hard to come by a clean,simple fast honda anymore....but meh...every car maker has the "ricer" type.

my redline is 8800. with my cams, it keeps me in the powerband of my turbo from 3500 all the way to 8800.

i would dig an EK and a legitimate H22 with a 70mm snail

September 2nd, 2011, 11:31 PM	#1
Brittas ninjette.org member Name: Paul Location: stoke on trent U.K Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250R ninja Posts: 16	Ninja250r Vs Honda civic type R I own a 2010 ninja 250 with 1050 miles on the clock.The other day I set out early for work and found myself next to a Honda civic type R at the lights. It was the model before the latest one (0-60 in 6.3 secs) I owned one for a while . They quick cars that rev to 9K. The civic had a sports exhaust on by the sound of it. Anyway the lights changed and off we went flat out to about 60mph where I had to turn off. I pulled away from him up till 40ish. He was neck and neck with me till 50. Then He smoked me Ninja did o.k up to 50ish. It was 200Hp Vs 30Hp lol.

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Live2ride ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cody Location: NoVa Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 yzf r6r previously: 09 ninja 250r, black 07 zx6r Posts: A lot.	I think you may have done it wrong. Unless that civic was supped up a bit more than just the exhaust. What rpm did u launch at? __________________________________________________

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gt_turbo ninjette.org sage Name: L Location: WI Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 250R, '13 CBR500R Posts: 709	civic type R? confused it doesn't exist in the US. you foreigners get all the nice ones.

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choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks just like a Civic Si. We have lots of those and they're awesome, and I want one! and yes the vTec engine is great. My '95 civic with 188,000 miles (and climbing) is pretty gutless, but if you get it above 4k, it can keep its' own. In fact, its kind of fun in a slow way

September 4th, 2011, 09:50 AM	#19
thisisbenji ninjette.org sage Name: Benji Location: Wadsworth, IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Sold), 2009 FZ6, 2015 Honda Grom Posts: 898	Sounds like fun! I'v yet to have a stoplight race on my 250, I'm pretty sure the only cars that try to race me from stop lights would leave me in the dust. So I'd just rather not try I don't need any more tickets.

September 5th, 2011, 08:08 AM	#21
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	Any of the newer 05+ Si here in the states would kill the 250 especially 50mph and up.. I use to have a 89civic hb, had a h22 motor.. that little car was fun. __________________________________________________ #1

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thisisbenji ninjette.org sage Name: Benji Location: Wadsworth, IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Sold), 2009 FZ6, 2015 Honda Grom Posts: 898	I wouldn't say a Si would "kill" a 250. They're pretty much even up to about 60, at which point the Si starts to get away.

September 5th, 2011, 08:15 AM	#23
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	Yeah kill may be a bit much .. it just will win ..lol __________________________________________________ #1

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choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	so why do they save all the cool fun stuff for japan? Gimme some of that!!

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greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	i believe the 2nd gen type R which the op is speaking of was made in the uk and mainly sold there.. not sure why.. dont think that year civic 7th gen 01-05, was very popular among the civic crowd.. the previous gen civic seems to be the most popular, 96-00 especially the 99-00 civic si having to be the most sought after civic in the US. or around me anyway ..haha! __________________________________________________ #1

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thisisbenji ninjette.org sage Name: Benji Location: Wadsworth, IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Sold), 2009 FZ6, 2015 Honda Grom Posts: 898	I agree, I think the 92-00 Civics were the best. I drive a 95 ex coupe and have been to the dealer a few times to test drive the 2006-2011 civics and also the new one that just came out and I can't bring my self to replace my trusty 95 (which is in excellent shape).

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greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	My one buddy has Been a Honda Guy since high-school..getting a new civic every 4-5 yrs. He went to trade his 06 si in a month or so ago and they were jumping all over him to buy his old one.. think they offered him like 15k.. he paid 21k for it 5 yrs ago. Can't beat there resale value. __________________________________________________ #1

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10secdream ninjette.org newbie Name: Stephen Location: Alberta Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 7	This thread made me miss one of my old project cars. 1995 Civic Hatch CX with a K20A out of a 2005 DC5 Type R from Japan. Wow did that car ever move with full bolt ons and a tune.

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ungluck sleeper Name: chris Location: Hawaii Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '10 690 duke Posts: 558	i find it more fun to beat up on civis on the ninja than in my jetta...@1946lbs and 493whp/406ft.lbs...most cars dont stand a chance.. btw..that civic makes 200chp...crank hors epower..not wheel..maybe 160wheel and it weighs 3k pounds... __________________________________________________ SauSponte

September 5th, 2011, 05:47 PM	#39
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	actually alot of those k series cars don't lose much through the drivetrain.. they make like 190 whp. __________________________________________________ #1

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ungluck sleeper Name: chris Location: Hawaii Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '10 690 duke Posts: 558	not that i've seen on my dyno....most guys make 168whp in the newer kseries... either way..99% of the ricers you will run into..own a loud slow car....it's hard to come by a clean,simple fast honda anymore....but meh...every car maker has the "ricer" type. my redline is 8800. with my cams, it keeps me in the powerband of my turbo from 3500 all the way to 8800. i would dig an EK and a legitimate H22 with a 70mm snail __________________________________________________ SauSponte

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