F*cking frustrating

[rasta]

I'm in the middle of mounting my tires and I can't get them completely mounted. I can get 75% on just fine, but the last part is being a stubborn little bitch. Any tips for finishing up?

[alex.s]

it is a problem on the opposite side. you must squeeze the lips to the inside of the wheel, away from the outside where they try to bead up. they need to be centered in the middle to be able to get the last edge on the rim. remember lots of windex. once the last edge is on you can let them out from the center and let them bead up

[adouglas]

Make sure you're keeping the bead on the opposite side pressed all the way down into the center of the rim.

Lube.

edit: Alex.s beat me to it.

Be patient.

BTW I picked up a very cool tool at the motorcycle show....

http://www.beadbuster.com

[bruce71198]

If your working at home without good equipment my suggestion is pleanty of lube. Liquid dish soap is my go to in a pinch. Lots of it.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by rasta

I'm in the middle of mounting my tires and I can't get them completely mounted. I can get 75% on just fine, but the last part is being a stubborn little bitch. Any tips for finishing up?

Whatever you do, don't put too much force and dent the soft edges that seal against the wheel.

The opposite side of the circle should always be completely in the central-deeper part of the section of the wheel.

This is the best helper that $10 can buy:

[bruce71198]

You guys are quick

[adouglas]

Consistent, too!

[JohnnyBravo]

:whatalldemsaid:
An I use dish soap

[alex.s]

dish soap leaves a sticky residue. alcohol based windex evaporates cleanly

[JohnnyBravo]

Originally Posted by alex.s

dish soap leaves a sticky residue. alcohol based windex evaporates cleanly

The residue washes off, and cleans the rim... I may have to try this window washing solution

[alex.s]

how do you wash off the inside of the rim after the wheel is on

[rasta]

Wow, you guys are quick, you're girlfriends and wives must be proud

Seriously though...thanks I appreciate it. I'll go try this right meow. I'm either going to be relieved or my tire/wheel might fight itself thrown out a window

[rojoracing53]

You could always have brought it over to RojoRacing's shop to have them mounted

[old3]

The advice above is the answer. The tire bead only fits over the rim when both of the other beads are in the drop center as much as possible.

Another method is the zip ty or strap method. You use 5-6 of them to pinch the beads together. A bit of lube and it just about falls on the wheel. A new idea I just heard today was to use electrical tape to do this. The guy said he uses about 3/4 of a $1 roll of cheap tape.

You cut away the ties or tape after. Really easy if you don't have a machine. Tubed or tubeless.

[rasta]

God dammit, I still couldn't get it





Plus..how the **** am I supposed to get a rim guard up there

[old3]

Opposite where you are levering, the tire bead is seated on the wheel, not in the drop center. If it is hard to lever it on, you are doing it wrong. It is all about the bead on both sides, not huge effort. It should just about slide into place.

[old3]

How are you holding the wheel? If you are fighting it, get a 5g pail and set it on that at least.

[greenaero]

If you would just quit taking all those road trips all over the world and tend to your tires!!! JK

If I understand your problem its getting the tire bead up and over the wheel rim. How I do it is to use some pieces of junk plastic ( from a cut up oil bottle ) as my rim protectors. I insert them where I plan to pry and so that I can gradually get the tire mounted. The plastic strips are easy to remove an place where you need them. Use some lube as suggested above. You are almost there , you are just stuck at the point where you have to stretch the tire the most to get it on. If you need a hand, let me know and I'll be happy to help you get 'er done.

[JohnnyBravo]

Originally Posted by alex.s

how do you wash off the inside of the rim after the wheel is on

Ya wait till its off again... Not like anyone can see the goo on the inside

[rasta]

Turns out I put them on backwards in the first place like a chode, so I have to dismount them again. Now that's being a bitch. So that's all for today, I think a couple hours of failure is enough for one day. Time to drink some smoke some, then back on the horse tomorrow.

Great learning experience I guess

EDIT: So I refused to end the day with the dismount stumping me, so I gave one more try. Got it dismounted, and tried to mount it again, but hit the same wall.

[old3]

Try the tape trick. You will be amazed.

[old3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6WPzRRJLpA

And he is doing it the hard way fighting the wheel on the ground!

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by rasta

God dammit, I still couldn't get it..........

The opposite edge is far from the center in those pictures; it cannot jump over that way.
It wouldn't stretch, there is a ring of steel inside.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Tire_Mo...Hints_%26_Tips

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Mountin...tires_yourself

Use a couple of 2x4 to protect that brake disc from inappropriate loads as you fight the beast.

[rasta]

Originally Posted by Motofool

The opposite edge is far from the center in those pictures; it cannot jump over that way.
It wouldn't stretch, there is a ring of steel inside.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Tire_Mo...Hints_%26_Tips

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Mountin...tires_yourself

Use a couple of 2x4 to protect that brake disc from inappropriate loads as you fight the beast.

Thanks Moto, didn't realize there was much more to do before I can even mount the tire

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by rasta

Thanks Moto, didn't realize there was much more to do before I can even mount the tire

You are welcome, Wes

Please, check my previous post for a schematic that I added.

Avoid the valve for the area where the edge of the tire needs to seat deep in the groove.

Hope you will get it right tomorrow when fresh.

[rasta]

I've noticed in a lot of videos/DIY I've looked at, people aren't really taking note of where they mount the tire. They're making sure that the tire is facing the right direction, but nobody is putting the lightest part of the tire at the heaviest part of the wheel. Is that something I don't really need to worry about?

[Alex]

I'm all for saving money when it also saves me time. But if you're anywhere near road rider, it takes 20 minutes to have them mount and balance both of those tires perfectly, at $20/pop.

[tfkrocks]

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm all for saving money when it also saves me time. But if you're anywhere near road rider, it takes 20 minutes to have them mount and balance both of those tires perfectly, at $20/pop.

+1 on Road Rider. What was a few hours of struggle for me took those fancy machines almost no time at all. If you ride there though, you will have to remove the wheels yourself in the parking lot as they are not insured to work on bikes. They'll provide stands and tools.

[rasta]

Road Rider is 45ish mins from me, that's not too bad. I'm gona try the zip tie thing tomorrow and hopefully it works out as well it looks like it should. If not, I'd consider giving RR a try. Are they able to do it right when I'm there? Or would I have to make two separate trips...

[tfkrocks]

Originally Posted by rasta

Road Rider is 45ish mins from me, that's not too bad. I'm gona try the zip tie thing tomorrow and hopefully it works out as well it looks like it should. If not, I'd consider giving RR a try. Are they able to do it right when I'm there? Or would I have to make two separate trips...

They'll do it right then and there. You can even watch to see how easy it is with those fancy machines and then wish you had fancy machines too.

[KawiKid860]

I know the frustration, had the same exact issue when mounting the only tire I've ever done. I ended up either scratching the rim too much or slightly tearing the tire because it doesn't hold greater than 32 psi anymore either lol...

Say where do you guys get those rim protector things? I made my own and well obviously they didn't work too well :P

[adouglas]

Are you fighting your tire irons?

Take a look at what this guy is doing with the strings attached to his rim protectors when he mounts the tire... skip forward to 5:15

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by rasta

I've noticed in a lot of videos/DIY I've looked at, people aren't really taking note of where they mount the tire. They're making sure that the tire is facing the right direction, but nobody is putting the lightest part of the tire at the heaviest part of the wheel. Is that something I don't really need to worry about?

Yes, I noticed that your wheel had weights before having the tire on.

You don't have to do it, but you may end up adding more weight than needed for balance, which translates into a little more rotational inertia for accelerating, braking and flicking the bike.

I enjoy doing these things, so I balance the naked wheel first and internally mark the heavier spot, which will never change for future replacements.
Then, I use that reference to place the dot on the side of the tire.

The rim protectors can be any sturdy deformable sheet; I cut mine from milk or juice jugs.

If you don't have plenty of lubricant, patience and inclination to do it without damaging the sealing edge of the tire ......... or your fingers, taking it to some professional shop is a great idea.

[rasta]

I should have started with the zip tie trick....took me 10 mins to do

[JohnnyBravo]

Comgrats

[greenaero]

Great!!!

[adouglas]

Did the zip ties scratch your rim at all?

[rasta]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Did the zip ties scratch your rim at all?

Ummm I didn't think of that. I didn't notice anything too bad other than scratches that were already there. I'll have to take a closer look

[alex.s]

i just squeeze the tire with my hands instead of zipties. but maybe i have abnormally strong hands. it must be the excessive masturbation.

[rasta]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i just squeeze the tire with my hands instead of zipties. but maybe i have abnormally strong hands. it must be the excessive masturbation.

Yeah, I tried squeezing with my hands, but I couldn't squeeze it hard enough. Oh well, I guess I can start masturbating more if it'll help me change tires and all