March 14th, 2014, 10:35 AM | #161 |
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The cost ratio will be very good as I understand it. Get a right side 4p (or 6p) Tokico and be ready to order the SVR bracket when he releases the link. My 4p caliper was under $30 on ebay in excellent condition, I added new pads to it for $35.
At the end cost, you won't beat this in performance per dollar IMO. You can only go as fast as you can stop. The feel with the stock master and the 4p cal is right on the mark. Your confidence and control will go up exponentially. The stock stuff is like dragging your feet in comparison. |
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March 14th, 2014, 10:55 AM | #162 | |
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Run off the nip into a small loop, but don't pinch the hose. Zip ty it to hold it just above the nipple, run the end to a can/cup/jar to catch fluid. Pump and release, bubbles will get caught at the top of the loop, and you have fluid at the hose and nipple joint, so less chance of drawing air back in if you are sloppy in the process. Also, in the clear hose, you can see if you are still popping bubbles or pushing solid brake fluid. For those who don't know... Prepare as above. Squeeze brake lever to put pressure on fluid in hose, pull as it is released and bring it to the bar *** and hold it in next step! Unscrew nipple a half turn or until fluid is pressed out and brake lever/pedal goes to end of stroke. Snug nipple, THEN RELEASE LEVER. Repeat until lever feel is solid with nipple closed AND there is no air released in fluid at nipple. Air in between the master cylinder piston and the caliper piston can be compressed, this feels like a "soft" lever, mushy brakes. If there is a new brake hose, cal or master, there will be a lot of air. Be patient, the above will still work but it will take awhile to push fluid all the way thru. At every stop, check the fluid level in the master, as it will be pushing that into the hose, down to the nipple and out of the system. If you let it run low, it will draw air into the line and you will need to start over. I use auto grade DOT 4 in everything I ride. Moto specific is more $$$, I don't see any difference in actual use. Any auto store or even in a pinch, DOT 3 from a grocery store will be fine too. I change mine pretty regularly. It only takes ten minutes and gives a fresh brake feel. 2-3 times a year on the street bike. You can ignore it, but it draws in water naturally, right from the air. Water boils, creates gas bubbles, those can compress...mushy brakes. If you are really hard on them, you can burn the fluid too, right in the caliper. Easy to change, do it once a year at least. I may have missed a point or two so if anyone notices anything add it in please. Little things matter with brake bleeding. Get used to the details and it is very easy to do well. I set mine up to work the lever with my left hand and the bleeder with my right on the front end. Opposite on the rear. |
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March 25th, 2014, 02:36 PM | #163 |
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Just to let you guys & gals know it hasn't been forgotten, Blair emailed me he is making big progress this week on the brackets. Again, as soon as he releases a link to order, I'll pass it along. Sorry it has taken so long but these are the realities of production. Expect news soon.
Secondly, I build a home made bracket to hold my 6p Tokico and clamp the 320mm rotor. Bike has been off the roads too long after loaning out my bracket. The caliper/new HH pads with the Ninja 650 master is broken in and works wonderfully. Superb balance between power and feel. I can't tell if it is remarkable better than the stock master, (been a long time since I rode that combo) but the lever travel is less for sure, and the 5 position adjustability is a nice feature. Can do vs. must do for now. |
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March 25th, 2014, 06:53 PM | #164 |
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Looking good !
Looks like your getting a good footprint on that larger disk now. |
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April 7th, 2014, 05:11 PM | #165 |
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*poke*
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April 7th, 2014, 05:30 PM | #166 |
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Just glanced through this thread, I am actually looking to do something similar but with a Brembo caliper. Once my parts come in, caliper and rotor i will be able to get some ideas of how/if it is going to work and what kind of adapter/mounting bracket will be needed. But this gives me hope that it will all fit no problems.
You don't think the 6 pot caliper is a bit overkill? how much does it weight vs the 4 pot?
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April 14th, 2014, 05:40 PM | #167 |
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Blair emailed me today. He is hoping to have an update and release date very soon and said the brackets are really awesome parts. If/when I hear more I'll pop back in.
It won't be long now. Jim |
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May 5th, 2014, 03:30 AM | #168 |
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Still no update? I had huge upset on the track this time.. There was still some part of the pad that wasn't being used so when the pads became thin enough that area became an obstruction and killed the front brakes.. Had a couple of close calls.. So I stopped.. I need a better adapter..
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May 5th, 2014, 05:38 AM | #169 |
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^ thats a very good point to make for these kinds of swap mods. If the pad is not getting worn down in a particular area sooner or later it may be possible for the un-used high spots to make contact with each other and prevent the pads from squeezing the rotor.
People be smart and definitely check your set up after some miles to check for such issues.
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May 5th, 2014, 05:40 AM | #170 | |
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May 5th, 2014, 06:42 AM | #171 | |
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May 6th, 2014, 06:28 AM | #172 | |
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For a 298mm disc/rotor you can try a Yamaha R1 rotor, at least according to this post...
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I haven't tried this yet, but the PCD is the same between the 2 rotors according to spec sheets. Not too crazy about having to machine the caliper, but for the price of a used rotor it might be worth exploring. |
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May 8th, 2014, 04:22 PM | #173 |
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Fender mounting and such is different but the 300 uses the same caliper as the last gen 250 and, thus, the adapter should fit both.
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May 11th, 2014, 05:32 PM | #174 |
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May 11th, 2014, 05:48 PM | #175 |
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^
Not in this particular thread but i think most of it has been touch on here https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177974
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June 3rd, 2014, 09:15 AM | #176 |
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Any update yet?
Waiting for this to install the rest of the parts... Thanks. |
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June 3rd, 2014, 10:25 AM | #177 |
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Not to barge in here, but if anyone noticed the one i made for Joe (subxero), if your friend doesnt come through then let me know. If i had the specs from the one you made old3 i can do this one easily as well. Joe is using a 320mm rotor with a brembo caliper, so the caliper bolt hole spacing relative to the fork mounting is all i really need.
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June 19th, 2014, 03:11 AM | #178 |
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what rotor is that and does it come in 300mm?
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June 19th, 2014, 07:33 PM | #179 |
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I got that disk for him.
It was marketed here in Thailand as Beet but it is not a Beet we later found out. But it is a good quality & is fine on my bike BTW Here is a pic of their adapter with spacers used to put caliper further out for larger 320 disk Also one on larger without....so seems they sell various adapters? With caliper at different mount angles |
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June 19th, 2014, 07:36 PM | #180 |
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PS: AFAIK their adapter allows running the stock disk without spacer between
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June 19th, 2014, 08:05 PM | #181 | |
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June 19th, 2014, 10:52 PM | #182 | |
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Poor Jim shipping to US was dang near as much But I have been that spot myself in the opposite direction when buying from US But....I also need to pay Import Taxes & VAT Too bad we cannot email/download parts heheh PS: I have never seen a 310 not to say they do not exist somewhere..... Although even if bigger than you need I do not think you would need to mill anything. If Caliper touched larger disk you could just space it back. I know Beet/Web Bike Japan sell disk's but not sure what sizes they are |
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June 20th, 2014, 05:43 AM | #183 |
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you can find Ara Shi bolt on rotors on ebay for $150 shipped. Some are listed as 320mm, I have one, works perfect, have had no issues, seems of good quality.
Not sure if it is actually 320mm, I have not measured? I feel like it is smaller though? Is the 320mm the diameter right? ill try and measure this weekend give or take. check out this thread/post for pics, https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...9&postcount=95
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June 20th, 2014, 06:04 AM | #184 | |
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There's one from Galfer with 300 but this is one I couldn't find in the net, maybe you have better luck. Also I could offer you a contact to a company in Germany where you can get every size you need. I got my 296 mm from there (so they already have the measurements for the Ninja front rotor) and when I remember right the price incl. shipping was 175 USD. Feel free if you need me as translator. Website is here: http://www.mx-tec.eu/ I attach the picture of mine. Good luck |
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June 20th, 2014, 06:08 AM | #185 |
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You would think there would be some other stock rotor that would bolt onto the bike?
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July 10th, 2014, 07:10 PM | #186 |
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Searching for a decent priced caliper from the gsxr. Amazing how the right side cost more. Coincidence?? I think not. I don't want to pay over $35 with shipping. So I may have to hunt for a bit.
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July 10th, 2014, 07:15 PM | #187 |
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July 10th, 2014, 07:59 PM | #189 |
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Ah. Cool. Guess I was waiting for it to show up from SV.
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July 11th, 2014, 01:34 AM | #190 |
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I was actually going to make my own.
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July 11th, 2014, 05:58 PM | #191 |
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old3!!
Hey man I sent you a pm!!
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July 12th, 2014, 04:57 AM | #192 |
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^ just FYI he hasn't signed in for 2months. Dunno what happened?
If you have questions they can always be asked in other caliper swap threads, like the group buy thread for the brembo/tokico bracket
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July 12th, 2014, 08:05 AM | #193 |
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I noticed that. I was looking at a few tokico calipers on fleabay and noticed that there is a left and right listed separately and they look the same. My understanding is only the right will work for us. How do I distinguish from the two?? I'm also going to make a bracket tomorrow (hopefully) for the two piston tokico that comes on the ex 650. Just for kicks. Wouldn't mind putting a nicer set on the 650 one day. I never really thought about making my own bracket.
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July 12th, 2014, 08:15 AM | #194 |
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Technically a left will work but it will need to be mounted upside down, ie the bracket would be different for the hole spacing. At least, thats what i think...
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July 12th, 2014, 08:48 AM | #195 |
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I don't see why it would matter. Looks like the bracket would have to be longer. After studying some pictures I can tell the difference from left and right. EBay has a few miss listed as right sides.
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July 17th, 2014, 02:40 AM | #196 |
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My caliper came in the yesterday. $26.95. Got to love fleabay.
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July 17th, 2014, 06:26 AM | #197 |
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Same here, i paid under 30, just had to wait a few days for something to pop up. worth every penny
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July 18th, 2014, 10:14 AM | #198 |
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you guys are the reason I can only find left sides
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July 20th, 2014, 10:14 AM | #199 |
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Probably so xtina!! The right sides are higher priced on average. I guess because of the higher demand. I just scored a set of six piston tokico's from a 'busa for $5 bucks on fleabay. Couldn't pass that up. I guess I will put them on the 650. For five bucks they could always hang up in my shop until I find a good use.
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July 20th, 2014, 10:16 AM | #200 |
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And the real reason I clicked on this thread, OK so after six hours, two mountain dews, four fruit punch sodas and seven little Debbie cakes its done. Tools used; drill press, drill, bench grinder, hacksaw. This is the second bracket. The first was mainly used to get the bolt patterns figured out. Im going to paint the bracket and caliper one day. Make it look better. Still bleeding the brakes. Took a lunch break. Will ease down the road and see how it feels later. I think I can take a little fat off the bracket and still have good integrity. Still thinking about it. Its a little chubby around the edges.
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