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Old August 15th, 2017, 11:54 PM   #41
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Hi all, lack of reply since I've been too busy riding.
Once I adjusted the floats down to run leaner, the bog is gone. Also after a recent plug change, it is currently at a near perfect A/F.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 08:50 PM   #42
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Well, some bad news

Going down the road and out of nowhere she veers hard right, directly towards a guardrail. Thankfully I am okay, only a little bit of road rash, sore back and shoulders, and swollen right ankle/calf. Unbelievable how lucky I am for not having on all of my gear.. Especially glad I was going only 30mph.

Here's a pic I took a few minutes after the crash. Only 1, couldn't walk around to grab more.


Here's some further pics of the damage. Forks are bent, left footpeg bracket is broken along with the footpeg, fairings and turn signals are toast, and so is my front tire. Not quite sure what my future plans will be.




EDIT: Excuse the massive pictures.. If someone can point me on how to downsize them through the forum then please let me know!
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A sudden veer has to be the result of something major breaking, like a triple clamp, or axle, or frame member for example. Take a very close look at everything and see if you can find what caused it.

I'm very glad you're OK.
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Ouch. If nothing is bent then go for a streetfighter look.
Taking off fairings and replace things that broke won't be hard.
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A sudden veer has to be the result of something major breaking, like a triple clamp, or axle, or frame member for example. Take a very close look at everything and see if you can find what caused it.

I'm very glad you're OK.
As far as I've been able to tell so far, the axles did not break. Both wheels are still tight as well. Haven't been able to pull the fairings off yet to check the frame and triple clamps.

The info I can give so far is the rear wheel alignment was 1/8" longer on the right side, chain was a bit loose, and mismatched tires (new Pirelli MT75 rear, Dunflop K630 front. MT75 front had shipping issues).

Also had just completed a long right hand turn, which then turned into a shallow left hand turn where this took place. It was when the bike had become fully upright that it felt like going in the guardrail.

No odd vibrations or noises compared to the 1400 miles I had put on previously.
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As far as I've been able to tell so far, the axles did not break. Both wheels are still tight as well. Haven't been able to pull the fairings off yet to check the frame and triple clamps.

The info I can give so far is the rear wheel alignment was 1/8" longer on the right side, chain was a bit loose, and mismatched tires (new Pirelli MT75 rear, Dunflop K630 front. MT75 front had shipping issues).

Also had just completed a long right hand turn, which then turned into a shallow left hand turn where this took place. It was when the bike had become fully upright that it felt like going in the guardrail.

No odd vibrations or noises compared to the 1400 miles I had put on previously.
Was this bike in a previous crash? I can only imagine a steering head/triple clamp failure or a swing arm pivot shaft breakage.

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Was this bike in a previous crash? I can only imagine a steering head/triple clamp failure or a swing arm pivot shaft breakage.

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Definitely has been dropped a few times judging by the fairings prior to my incident.
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By the pictures I'd say so..
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Definitely has been dropped a few times judging by the fairings prior to my incident.
Priority one. Feel better and rest. Then tear off those fairings and see what's up with the chassis.

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Glad you are OK.

That front tire looks like s***. Not sure what happened in your case, but riding on a tire that's past its prime isn't going to help if you need to react quickly to anything.

Looks salvageable. My son rode one that went down (luckily not with him on it) at 85 mph. Wasn't really as messed-up as you would think. Ran it without any fairings for years and many thousands of miles.

The pix would be easier to look at if they were resized.
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In thinking about it, anything frame or steering related that put a lot of steering force on the handlebar would have startled you, and you probably would have reacted by muscling it straight until you could pull over. Instead, I bet your rear wheel locked (brake, transmission, broken chain, etc.,) That would allow you to keep the bike upright, but with no directional control, so whatever way it felt like going, that's the way you'd go.
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In thinking about it, anything frame or steering related that put a lot of steering force on the handlebar would have startled you, and you probably would have reacted by muscling it straight until you could pull over. Instead, I bet your rear wheel locked (brake, transmission, broken chain, etc.,) That would allow you to keep the bike upright, but with no directional control, so whatever way it felt like going, that's the way you'd go.
Good points TJ that I hadn't thought of. I don't recall seeing a skid mark though but a drive train lock-up may not cause a skid just a rapid slow down. Man, I'm glad that didn't happen to me the other day when I was doing a speed run.

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P.S.; Looked at the picture again, there is a skid mark. I think you nailed it TJ.
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Here's a better picture of the marks.
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I'm glad you're ok and hopefully you'll be able to repair the bike and get her back on the road.
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Old August 25th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #55
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Was this bike in a previous crash? I can only imagine a steering head/triple clamp failure or a swing arm pivot shaft breakage.

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Took a look today, triple clamps did not fail nor were they bent. Pivot shaft also seemed fine (at least visual inspection) and had no obvious points of failure.
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In thinking about it, anything frame or steering related that put a lot of steering force on the handlebar would have startled you, and you probably would have reacted by muscling it straight until you could pull over. Instead, I bet your rear wheel locked (brake, transmission, broken chain, etc.,) That would allow you to keep the bike upright, but with no directional control, so whatever way it felt like going, that's the way you'd go.
Chain did not break, spins freely as I just quickly rode it into storage.
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Here's a better picture of the marks.
Two sets of marks! Looks like an initial straight-line skid, then something happened.
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Two sets of marks! Looks like an initial straight-line skid, then something happened.
Likely the 2nd mark was from panic-grabbing the front brake.
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There could still be a problem with the rear brake, like the little bleed hole is not getting uncovered, or it's clogged. That can lead to a locked wheel when things warm up a little and the fluid expands, but has nowhere to go.
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There could still be a problem with the rear brake, like the little bleed hole is not getting uncovered, or it's clogged. That can lead to a locked wheel when things warm up a little and the fluid expands, but has nowhere to go.
I thought of that also. A few years ago I stopped to help a guy who was stuck by the side of the road on his bike. His front brake was locked up. I was about 1/4 of a mile from my house so I got some tools and went back. We bled-off his front brake and he could ride again. Her rode home using only his rear brake. I suspect the bleed hole (return fluid hole) in his master cylinder was plugged. That's one of the reasons I replace my brake fluid every spring.

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Locking the rear at 30 mph should be no big deal. The bike should go pretty straight until it stops. Is it possible something got lodged in the chain and sprocket (like a stick), locking the wheel, that eventually broke away - leaving no evidence?

Even if that did happen, what would make it dart to the right so abruptly?
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Locking the rear at 30 mph should be no big deal. The bike should go pretty straight until it stops.
That really depends on a lot of things. If it was on a curve and decided to go straight, this crash could have happened. Any little thing like road crown could make it decide to go in a direction other than straight.
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Locking the rear at 30 mph should be no big deal. The bike should go pretty straight until it stops. Is it possible something got lodged in the chain and sprocket (like a stick), locking the wheel, that eventually broke away - leaving no evidence?

Even if that did happen, what would make it dart to the right so abruptly?
He was making a gentle turn to the left. A locked rear break would surely pull the rear of the bike into the Armco. It doesn't explain the extensive front end damage though.

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When a rear wheel locks and you steer to keep the bike upright, the bike straightens up rather than doing a drift, so the front end would have hit the guard rail first. You can try it somewhere when it's raining and there's no traffic and see what I mean.
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There could still be a problem with the rear brake, like the little bleed hole is not getting uncovered, or it's clogged. That can lead to a locked wheel when things warm up a little and the fluid expands, but has nowhere to go.
Hm. I just replaced the brake fluid for the rear roughly 2 weeks ago.

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Locking the rear at 30 mph should be no big deal. The bike should go pretty straight until it stops. Is it possible something got lodged in the chain and sprocket (like a stick), locking the wheel, that eventually broke away - leaving no evidence?

Even if that did happen, what would make it dart to the right so abruptly?
I didn't see any evidence of something lodging in the chain. The road had very very little debris. No signs on the chain of where lube may have been wiped away, or where small woodchips or splinters may have been left behind.

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He was making a gentle turn to the left. A locked rear break would surely pull the rear of the bike into the Armco. It doesn't explain the extensive front end damage though.

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Bingo on gentle left turn. Extensive front end damage is because the bike layed down hard on it's left side and hit one of the vertical posts. Which probably is a good thing, if I was sent over the guardrail it would be a very steep and rocky, 40ft descent.
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Hm. I just replaced the brake fluid for the rear roughly 2 weeks ago.
Check the bleed hole in the master cylinder and make sure it's clear. If you push the caliper piston in without pushing the brake pedal, fluid should fountain out that hole.
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Home for the next 5 days, so I have her back on the road now. New forks, front tire, and made a replacement handlebar and shifter brackets at school with the welder and CNC.

Steering head nut was a little loose, and also I was able to "twist" the bars & the front wheel (like on a bicycle, to straighten out the front wheel). No longer twists after tightening. Re-aligned the rear wheel, checked the chain tension and lubed it, reconnected the airbox (slipped off the carbs from the accident), and bending one of my mirrors enough to at least somewhat see behind me.

Took it out for a little ride yesterday, no vibrations or anything seeming loose or out of the norm. Still not comfortable with it as there was no definitive answer as to why it wrecked, and that is in the back of my mind.. But this morning I'm going to be going through absolutely everything to make sure nothing is loose or out of line to hopefully make me a little more confident on it :P
And good lord is it cold to ride with no windshield or fairings in cold fall weather....
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I'll likely hold back on one for now since I'm not bringing it to college, and after this weekend the next time I'll ride is in the spring.
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This ain't too sexy but it's real nice to have when it's 30 degrees out.

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This ain't too sexy but it's real nice to have when it's 30 degrees out.

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I mean hey... my bike isn't exactly pretty so a ugly yet warm suit would be fine with me :P

280 miles the past 2 days, and tried replicating the situation in which I wrecked. No luck getting it do it. But ugh, still plagued with carb issues. Running rich below 7k and bogging because of it, doesn't want to idle without dropping to 1000rpm and eventually stalling. I think sometime this winter I'll send them off somewhere so at least it runs well for when I sell in the spring.
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I mean hey... my bike isn't exactly pretty so a ugly yet warm suit would be fine with me :P

280 miles the past 2 days, and tried replicating the situation in which I wrecked. No luck getting it do it. But ugh, still plagued with carb issues. Running rich below 7k and bogging because of it, doesn't want to idle without dropping to 1000rpm and eventually stalling. I think sometime this winter I'll send them off somewhere so at least it runs well for when I sell in the spring.
I know a guy on Long Island who does a great job for a reasonable price.

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