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Old November 20th, 2014, 05:01 AM   #1
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Snow !

Been looking at the snow pics from New York five feet of snow.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/n...rms-slideshow/
I also read somewhere that 50! states went below zero last night.

So how is so called global warming working out for you?
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Old November 20th, 2014, 07:22 AM   #2
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Been looking at the snow pics from New York five feet of snow.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/n...rms-slideshow/
I also read somewhere that 50! states went below zero last night.

So how is so called global warming working out for you?
It's working the same as everything else the government is trying to push down our throats. At least we can rely on the media to be honest.
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Been looking at the snow pics from New York five feet of snow.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/n...rms-slideshow/
I also read somewhere that 50! states went below zero last night.

So how is so called global warming working out for you?
you gone & dun dun it, here we go again

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...global+warming
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Been looking at the snow pics from New York five feet of snow.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/n...rms-slideshow/
I also read somewhere that 50! states went below zero last night.

So how is so called global warming working out for you?
Ahh.. yes - below 0 Celcius.

Usually stated as "32 Degrees Fahrenheit" or "below freezing" here. Probably be below 0F shortly though. We did have 7F earlier this week in southern WI, and tonight is supposed to be about 4F. It was warmer above the Arctic Circle than it was here at times last week.

For us, "below zero (F)" is a different story!
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Been looking at the snow pics from New York five feet of snow.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lightbox/n...rms-slideshow/
I also read somewhere that 50! states went below zero last night.

So how is so called global warming working out for you?

the massive increase in global CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases have caused an increase in heat during the summer which increases greatly the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. when winter comes to that side of the globe, this water vapor is still in the atmosphere. it freezes, and turns to snow. during the summer, this additional water vapor adds basically a blanket that traps the heat and wont let it radiate back out. this is the "warming" part. colder winters. hotter summers. that is the result.

the massive amount of snow we are seeing is a direct result of human-influenced climate change.

look up nasa's rendering of the global CO2 levels from '06. it gives a fantastic view of how it moves around through-out the year. and it's extremely obvious where it comes from. LA, New York, China, and a few others are the biggest polluters of co2. everywhere else looks like a ****ing preserve compared to over those cities.
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the massive increase in global CO2 and a few other greenhouse gases have caused an increase in heat during the summer which increases greatly the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. when winter comes to that side of the globe, this water vapor is still in the atmosphere. it freezes, and turns to snow. during the summer, this additional water vapor adds basically a blanket that traps the heat and wont let it radiate back out. this is the "warming" part. colder winters. hotter summers. that is the result.
The greater level of water vapor in the atmosphere leads to greater cloud cover which in turn leads to less solar radiation incident upon the ground (meaning less IR light re-radiated into the atmosphere to be trapped by the water vapor). The Earth has many mechanisms that act as a sort of self-regulation and the entire system is much more complex than even most climate scientists understand (otherwise climate models would be able to accurately predict the warming trend), so any one person who claims to know with absolute certainty what is happening with the Earth's climate is full of it.

"Believe" raw data, be skeptical of interpretation.

Back on a topic which some of us are qualified to discuss, I'm loving the early snow here in Kentucky (not that we really get that much.) Kind of putting a dent in my riding schedule, though. Yesterday was the only day I would have been able to ride comfortably this week and I missed it.
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Old November 20th, 2014, 09:53 AM   #8
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Ahh.. yes - below 0 Celcius.
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For us, "below zero (F)" is a different story!
Haha, good reminder since that caught me off guard. I'm 'Merican, speak Engrish!

Only got down to 11°F on Tuesday and now is on the upswing again. Though the local weather guys have been claiming "chance of rain/snow" for over two weeks and not a drop has fallen out here in the banana belt of northern Nevada.

Then I look up pictures from Buffalo. Holy bajeesus Batman!
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you realize you're on a motorcycle forum talking about climate change, right?
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"Increasing summer temperatures." Really?

Take a look at this summer temperature graph of an average town. Stable since 1940
http://www.lincolnweather.org/Lincol...p1887-2009.jpg

or another one, same stability
http://web.stcloudstate.edu/raweisma...meravgtemp.png

As Brother Michigan wisely says:
"Believe" raw data, be skeptical of interpretation."
(especially by Politicians)
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Good thing that statement was changing the topic to snow impeding my ability to ride.
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And the death risks of snow. Not as you might expect from riding but from shoveling.
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And the death risks of snow. Not as you might expect from riding but from shoveling.
Down here we measure snow by the lb. or kilo, instead of feet. There are still death risks (so don't forget to pay up).
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There are still death risks (so don't forget to pay up).
That should be a joke but when I lived in Ontario it wasn't
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And the death risks of snow. Not as you might expect from riding but from shoveling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-maga...nitor-30119410
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Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

numbers they claim

"At least two people have died from heart attacks while shovelling snow in Buffalo, New York. Every winter, about 100 people in the US die doing this"

100 in the US each year? That's it? 100 people out of how many millions of people that shovel in the US over the coarse of winter

Wonder what the #s are for winter/snow/ice related motorcycle accident's resulting in death per motorcyclists partaking in winter riding?
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http://www.twcc.com/articles/2014/11...record-of-2014

believe raw data you say?

"It has been so hot in California that there is no way the year will end up not breaking the record for heat in the state, said NOAA climate scientist Jake Crouch.

This year October, September, August, June and May — five of the last six months — set global monthly heat records. April 2014 was the second hottest on record. January, March and July were fourth. February was the 21st warmest."
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"It has been so hot in California that there is no way the year will end up not breaking the record for heat in the state, said NOAA climate scientist Jake Crouch.

This year October, September, August, June and May — five of the last six months — set global monthly heat records. April 2014 was the second hottest on record. January, March and July were fourth. February was the 21st warmest."
First thing you have to understand is the difference between "weather" (local transient) and "climate" (global and robust). A Cal heatwave does not mean global warming and a cold snap does not mean the next ice age.
Local variations completely swamp any global warming. Those days when it might peak ten degrees higher than you have ever seen are not global warming. Global warming (when it was happening which it hasn't been for a couple of decades) was only like a degree and a half over decades.
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Try NASA
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Honestly I don't know who to believe... One side says that temperatures are rising while the other says that they aren't. One side says the ice caps are melting, while the other says that they are growing. One side is predicting that we'll all be under water soon while the other claims that another ice age is coming.

You can find plenty of studies that support both sides, so then the validity and motivation behind the studies comes into question. In the end I can only go by what I'm seeing with my own two eyes and what I believe to be real. Based on that I don't believe global warming to be real, which is why they don't say "global warming" anymore and now call it "climate change".

"Climate change", really? Hasn't the climate been changing since the beginning of time??? It's like the war on terror, which is a war that can't be won since there will always be terrorists. Just like there will always be climate change.

Also I live in Ohio which this year had a rainy spring a cool summer and now 4 inches of snow on the ground before Thanksgiving. I'm wishing for a warmer climate right now.
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You can go to the beach you went to as a kid and see if the sea has risen the 180 feet they said it would drowning our coastal cities or if it still, you know, where it was before
It's kind of the warmists King Canute moment.
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You can go to the beach you went to as a kid and see if the sea has risen the 180 feet they said it would drowning our coastal cities or if it still, you know, where it was before
It's kind of the warmists King Canute moment.
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My point exactly! only 8 inches since the cowboy era.
Rather takes the wind out of the alarmists sails.
Levels have been rising since the last ice age when the ice reached Spain and Portugal and Scotland was buried under 4000 (yes 4000) feet of ice.
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... but clearly the climate is not changing, right?


except for all that evidence that the climate is changing. darn.

but its been changing for awhile! so that means it ISNT changing!!!!


... what?
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... but clearly the climate is not changing, right?


except for all that evidence that the climate is changing. darn.

but its been changing for awhile! so that means it ISNT changing!!!!


... what?
Oh the climate changes a lot, always has, and we handle it fine as a species. The coastal cities are placed at an arbitrary water edge and buildings dont last long in the scheme of things 50 -100 years perhaps and as the sea rises at its snails pace building will migrate up the hill. and the beach will be at the bottom still
The problem is the politicization of a natural process to make tax money and thwart emerging economies to keep American dominance that is wrong.
Warmism is all about money and power.
Australia will not play the game any more and has just dumped it's carbon taxes.
American bully boys in Washington have just used it as a pretext to give Hyundai a stiff kicking and knock the competition back.
http://time.com/3555696/hyundai-kia-...bon-emissions/

You know when I was young the politician put about that we had to arm like crazy and we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear holocaust. But it wasn't true, We have more powerful bombs in the hands of NK and Pakistan yet it is no longer the overarching fear, in fact I don't think many people thinks about nuclear Armageddon at all.
Alex,you may sneer at old guys like me who have watched the politics played for over half a century but you will get old in your time and realize that you in your turn have been played by their convincing tales and funded 'experts'.
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DNA is a resilient survivor.

but changing technologies in order to be better suited for a different climates is not something that just happens by itself. humans have to make that happen. technology does not evolve on its own yet, it evolves because humans push it.

so lets say we ignored that the climate was changing. and we did not adapt our technologies and processes and farming tech to account for that. what would happen? do you think nothing would happen? that everything would be the same, even though the place we live has changed?
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This year October, September, August, June and May — five of the last six months — set global monthly heat records. April 2014 was the second hottest on record. January, March and July were fourth. February was the 21st warmest."
Georgia (where I was raised) was in a decade long drought when I was growing up. Clearly that means the whole world was experiencing drought conditions at the same time. It's a false equivalency.
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Living in an agricultural area I can assure you that agricultural technology changes far faster than the climate drifts. So good is Britain at farming efficiency these days that it's big problem is overproduction. Farmers are paid to leave land unused (an arrangement called "set aside") to lower production and keep prices up.
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Living in an agricultural area I can assure you that agricultural technology changes far faster than the climate drifts. So good is Britain at farming efficiency these days that it's big problem is overproduction. Farmers are paid to leave land unused (an arrangement called "set aside") to lower production and keep prices up.
so you say it changes... when climate changes?

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These threads are fun.

Article worth a read.

Kahan's paper explains why these debates get silly, no matter the otherwise rational behavior of folks on either side of issue.
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Article worth a read.

Kahan's paper explains why these debates get silly, no matter the otherwise rational behavior of folks on either side of issue.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 04:28 AM   #37
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so you say it changes... when climate changes?
interesting.
Hey No! Don't put words in my mouth
The climate has not changed in the time we have been using agricultural technology so your argument is specious.
You are willfully failing to differentiate natural change over many hundreds of years from from the current fiction.
I simply pointed out that agriculture makes extremely rapid changes independent of climate.
Get a grip on reality, there is no 'climate change' for agriculture to adapt to
Witness
http://www.lincolnweather.org/Lincol...p1887-2009.jpg

and all the similar graphs across the world

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The climate has not changed in the time we have been using agricultural technology
really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_agriculture
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You are willfully failing to differentiate natural change over many hundreds of years from from the current fiction.
so you don't think the massive increase in co2 emission from humans and our farming (cows) will cause any kind of change?

you think the earth will endlessly account for whatever we do, and keep things nice for us?

you are thinking that natural change over hundreds of years can't do any harm to us?

do you know why species go extinct? it's because something changes and they were unable to adapt quickly enough.
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if we could control the weather and climate with science and research, why wouldn't you want to?
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