December 23rd, 2012, 08:46 AM | #81 |
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Strong gun laws are a joke. Lets take for example the RPG. and M203 grenade launcher and live HE explosive rounds. Absolutely illegal government thinks they got it to were none are to be found here. I can make one trip to the coast and come back with both with enough ordinance to level a small country. Your strong gun laws help you sleep better at night under the illusion that there is such a thing as gun"control" when in fact they control nothing they just make it to where I can't buy my G18 auto at wal mart.
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There is only one way to reduce social violence:
Work with love, compassion and heart on creating and sustaining stronger families. It takes 16~18 years to educate a real man/woman; most people choose letting a crappy society do the hard and patient work for them. Much more monsters have been in the oven during all these years of stupid video games, over-busy parents, drugs, ignorant TV shows, political correctness, porn, etc. With so many messed up brains and broken spirits, more terrible things will be seen for many years to come. We can learn, change our approach to life and survive or end up killing each other one at a time. People who want to hurt or kill others have been doing so since well before the formula for gun powder was disclosed by Chinese people. More crazy/rootless people + More effective tools = Increased danger for all. People's minds are the source of the tools and the source of evil wish; hence, people should be the priority of any corrective effort.
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It is true that there are big holes, because the congress has made the ATF toothless and ineffective and that can and should be fixed.
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Giving them more resources wont solve anything. I liked them better when they were simple tax collectors. The agency was far more legitimate then.
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Stop making criminals and lunatics. Great idea! Problem solved!
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Way more guns in Canada than the US but murders actually make news because they aren't normal. Gun carrying people mention personal responsibility, teamwork, watching out for your friends and neighbors, less gov etc but we all have that. The only difference I see is US people always mention getting the other guy before he gets you. I don't know anyone from the UK, Australia or Canada who fears strangers. That's the sad difference, maybe all these movies and horrible things on youtube are making people live in fear? Seems to be a common thread here. I worked as a doorperson at an Irish pub for years and I'm 5'3", lots of threats when I threw someone out but never once feared for my life - I can't imagine how horrible that would be :-( If someone wanted to flip out and steal my bike or car if I owned one, I'd say go ahead!, that's what insurance is for :-) New bike, new farkles - woohoo! @BlueHairSar Right on. The NRA suggested putting a cop at every school so now freakshows could shoot the cop first and get more weapons and some body armor..sigh. It's so sad that it's not even funny. Back to bikes? This is fun though, I get to learn what the rest of the world thinks. |
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Not at all, again you missed the metaphor
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No, they don't, which is why they hit the car with batons.
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They have a special uniform, and look kind of like an under equipped SWAT.
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the cop getting sniped is a bad scenario for the perp since most cops do radio checkins before they enter the building and are in an office inside with no windows. Instead of 100% success rate, its 40%. The risk is too high for a killer who wants to be famous. He'll pick another spot. It not like a video game where you just spawn and kill, there are lots of aspects of security. Its already common to have policeman at schools in my district. And there's procedures and physical features in place in case something happens.
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If it makes any difference, a lot of the british divisions still have armed officers. The polar opposite could be the German police which are mostly issued automatic rifles and pistols. The American model is in-between with unarmed reserve components, regular armed officers, and special tactics personnel. Its a good match for our society. If everyone suddenly turned nice, and the crime rate was 0 for 2 decades then maybe your argument makes sense. But right now its unrealistic.
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I think it's unrealistic for the crime rate to be completely demolished, though I do agree with you that that style of LE to work here right now is unrealistic. I will continue to that this mentality of "oh, I'll just reach for my f***ing gun!" is a pretty big part of the problem. Note that I also said PART of the problem, because I think there's a lot that contributes, but in interest of not COMPLETELY jacking this thread, I'll stop there. |
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Whether you try to drive off and end up causing 1mil in damage in escaping, or shoot the assaulting insane man. Whether you choose to do so or not is a personal decision. American laws support you either way. Judging other peoples mentality is fail sometimes since its too objective. Thats why at the beginning of this thread, i discussed how Australian laws work against his defenses, they remove several options immediately from his battery of choices.
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Since a few people talked about the topic of schools in this thread...theres a few schools in my area who are too cheap to hire security, so they're locking ALL main entrances/exits, Only keeping 1 very small entrance open (that connects the inside/outside of the school,) not opening the 2 main entrances until the buses arrive and they are also locking every classroom door from the inside. Every student that will be walking the halls alone (like for the bathroom or office visit) will now be required to have an escort from an adult.
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Second, he is not a kid. Third, his behavior is no different than a dangerous animal. Except he's more dangerous. Fourth, it was not his first offense Fifth, kept attacking the victim for over fifteen min. Sixth, police response happened after perp escaped. Etc. Yes i would have shot him.
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2. Actually, there isn't a huge difference. The majority of civilians I know who carry guns on a daily basis have just as much or more training with their firearms than the average police officer. Scary, but true. From my observations, about 50% of cops view their firearms as "tools of the trade". They have no interest in them outside of work, and therefore, don't train with them outside of what is required. They fire about 100 rounds every six months to re-qualify but other than that, they don't touch them. On the flip-side of that, the majority of civilians view them as a hobby. They love shooting and regularly attend training classes where they fire thousands of rounds in a weekend and plenty of them could outshoot pretty much any police officer I know, other than maybe the SWAT guys. With that in mind, who would you rather be carrying a gun? |
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Its not uncommon for a single person to fire 500/ day in some training classes. On the qualifying test alone i shot 150rds. A person practicing for state and national level competition will use 250-500/ day practicing 2-3 times a week. Also with dept budget cuts supplemental training ammo is getting even more scarce. Cops that want to train are having a hard time procuring the ammo they need for practice. Also a lot of the old police ranges are getting closed down since need to undergo renovations. Further reducing an officer's timeframe for practice. A lot of the guys i know go to the range far more often than police officers. The SWAT guys go to the competition and lose a lot of times, and its not because their training sucks. Its because they are expert level marksmen competing against master level civilians. Might be silly where you're from but a citizen getting training and practicing regularly is very common here.
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Reality sometimes can't be modeled after simple logic...
this is from experience, i gathered over the years in local competitions and running a shooting range. what i was trying to get across is... -being a policeman does not equal being a good shooter. -most police dont practice often -policemen shoot less when dept stop issuing 500rds a month. -close down 24hr range day shift guys get less chance to shoot. -a majority of police dont care about shooting. -its easy to put a couple thousand rounds down range, over a week that's only 4 bricks of 22... -people that buy guns for personal protection practice regularly. -people that compete on a regular basis use a lot of ammo -people that compete out shoot officers by a large margin. my experience draws the conclusion that most gun owners practice more regularly than most police. AND yes ill refrain from drunken educational posts in the future.
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Sooner or latter someone is also going to be a bit more creative and start using simple explosives or fire. IMO, even if you could magically confiscate 100% of America's guns, there are still 1,000 ways to mass kill people. I really do not believe people so mentally disturbed are not going to commit their act simply because it is slightly more inconvenient to orchestrate. |
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In fact, it can.
If you believe this, you have zero credibility left here. If you're just dug in and are unable to acknowledge that in a country with 300 million firearms, it's a wild fantasy that most practice regularly, more regularly than the police, you've demonstrated that it is completely pointless to debate you. Or one step further, to allow you to continue to debate gun topics here.
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