Motorcycle license california msf

Daanrademaker · June 29th, 2011, 06:37 AM

I apologize if I post this in the wrong subforum. Since I think this is a very helpful forum I was wondering if you guys could help me with something I do not understand about the MSF course.

First of all I am going to study in california and I need a motorcycle to commute to and from ventura and santa barbara. I was planning on taking the MSF course but I am confused about which learners permit I need for the course a permit for a car or for a motorcycle? Second of all I do not have a drivers license and when I do finish the MSF course will I get a motorcycle license without having a drivers license for a car?

Thanks in advance for the responses

CThunder-blue · June 29th, 2011, 07:40 AM

I believe you can have a motorcycle learner's permit w/o having a car driving permit. Either one should be ok to take the MSF. Also, you can email the MSF program local coordinator that you're going to attend and ask them.

Havok · June 29th, 2011, 08:00 AM

You can do the CA msf with out a permit. When you are done and you go get your M1 you will have to take the written test though. What I did was get my permit first just so I could ride till I was able to get into an msf course. To get your permit all you have to do is go take the written test.

CThunder-blue · June 29th, 2011, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Havok

You can do the CA msf with out a permit.

Only if you already have a driver's license. The OP is not from the US and doesn't have either one. Not sure if an international license would be ok though.

Ichiro · June 29th, 2011, 08:06 AM

http://dmv.ca.gov/dl/checklists/mc.htm
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl655/dl665mcycle.pdf

gfloyd2002 · June 29th, 2011, 08:15 AM

For getting your M1 in California, it depends on your age. Assuming you are over 21, here is all you need for an M1 in Cali if you don't have a driver's license:

Complete a Driver License or Identification Card Application form (DL 44).
Pay the application fee.
Pass a vision examination.
Study for and pass the written test.
Give a thumb print.
Have your picture taken
Present an acceptable birth date/legal presence document.
Provide your social security number.
Provide your true full name.
(THEN YOU GET YOUR PERMIT AND HAVE 6 MONTHS TO DO THE FOLLOWING FOR THE LICENSE)
Either complete and provide the completion certificate from the motorcycle rider training course OR schedule an Appointment(s) at DMV to take the motorcycle driving test.

You get your motorcycle operators training permit (if you are over 21) after you pass the written test and provide all the info above. You don't get your actual M1 license until you either pass the driving test or provide proof of taking the MSF course.

To take the MSF course, you don't need a permit. In fact, the law requires persons under 21 to pass the MSF course BEFORE getting their permit, so it shouldn't be a problem taking the course without one. You can double check with your MSF provider to be sure.

Ichiro · June 29th, 2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

Only if you already have a driver's license. The OP is not from the US and doesn't have either one. Not sure if an international license would be ok though.

From the Ca. DMV Handbook: Adults Visiting California
Visitors over 18 years old with a valid driver license from their home state or country may drive in California without getting a California driver license as long as their home state license is valid.

CThunder-blue · June 29th, 2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichiro

From the Ca. DMV Handbook: Adults Visiting California
Visitors over 18 years old with a valid driver license from their home state or country may drive in California without getting a California driver license as long as their home state license is valid.

That is only temporary so that tourists can drive here. The OP hasn't mentioned if he has a valid driver's license from his country. And he wants to get his M1, so he needs to pass the MSF. The MSF may require a US license.

gfloyd2002 · June 29th, 2011, 03:44 PM

According to CA DMV:

Quote:

Any individual, 15 1/2 years of age or older, who wishes to participate in a CMSP Basic RiderCourse (MSF BRC) or a CHP-approved Premier Program must possess either a valid driver’s license, a California DMV-issued instruction permit, or a California DMV-issued identification card.

No motorcycle learning permit will be required since CA law requires MSF BEFORE someone 21 or younger gets a permit.

Daanrademaker · July 1st, 2011, 03:23 AM

Thanks everyone for the resplies

, I am 19 so I will need to take the written test first (so not the specific motorcycle one) and than take the msf class. And after the Msf class my M1 license!! Can't wait

June 29th, 2011, 06:37 AM	#1
Daanrademaker ninjette.org newbie Name: Daan Location: Ventura Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 5	Motorcycle license california msf I apologize if I post this in the wrong subforum. Since I think this is a very helpful forum I was wondering if you guys could help me with something I do not understand about the MSF course. First of all I am going to study in california and I need a motorcycle to commute to and from ventura and santa barbara. I was planning on taking the MSF course but I am confused about which learners permit I need for the course a permit for a car or for a motorcycle? Second of all I do not have a drivers license and when I do finish the MSF course will I get a motorcycle license without having a drivers license for a car? Thanks in advance for the responses

June 29th, 2011, 07:40 AM	#2
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	I believe you can have a motorcycle learner's permit w/o having a car driving permit. Either one should be ok to take the MSF. Also, you can email the MSF program local coordinator that you're going to attend and ask them. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

June 29th, 2011, 08:15 AM	#6
gfloyd2002 User Title Free Since '12 Name: Floyd Location: Barbados Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250R Special Edition Green Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 13 MOTM - Feb '12	For getting your M1 in California, it depends on your age. Assuming you are over 21, here is all you need for an M1 in Cali if you don't have a driver's license: Complete a Driver License or Identification Card Application form (DL 44). Pay the application fee. Pass a vision examination. Study for and pass the written test. Give a thumb print. Have your picture taken Present an acceptable birth date/legal presence document. Provide your social security number. Provide your true full name. (THEN YOU GET YOUR PERMIT AND HAVE 6 MONTHS TO DO THE FOLLOWING FOR THE LICENSE) Either complete and provide the completion certificate from the motorcycle rider training course OR schedule an Appointment(s) at DMV to take the motorcycle driving test. You get your motorcycle operators training permit (if you are over 21) after you pass the written test and provide all the info above. You don't get your actual M1 license until you either pass the driving test or provide proof of taking the MSF course. To take the MSF course, you don't need a permit. In fact, the law requires persons under 21 to pass the MSF course BEFORE getting their permit, so it shouldn't be a problem taking the course without one. You can double check with your MSF provider to be sure. __________________________________________________ "Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius." — William Blake

July 1st, 2011, 03:23 AM	#10
Daanrademaker ninjette.org newbie Name: Daan Location: Ventura Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 5	Thanks everyone for the resplies, I am 19 so I will need to take the written test first (so not the specific motorcycle one) and than take the msf class. And after the Msf class my M1 license!! Can't wait

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June 29th, 2011, 08:00 AM	#3
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	You can do the CA msf with out a permit. When you are done and you go get your M1 you will have to take the written test though. What I did was get my permit first just so I could ride till I was able to get into an msf course. To get your permit all you have to do is go take the written test.

June 29th, 2011, 08:06 AM	#5
Ichiro ninjette.org member Name: Ichiro Location: So.Cal. Long Beach. Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250r(sold). 2013 Kymco Super8 150 Posts: 223	http://dmv.ca.gov/dl/checklists/mc.htm http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl655/dl665mcycle.pdf