2002 GSXR caliper mounted - Page 2

old3 · January 25th, 2014, 03:56 PM

A 2007 Ninja 650 rectangular 5/8" master is mounted and bled. Lever is rock hard and has 5 adjustment range. Next to test ride, but my caliper bracket is at SV Racing and it is snowing hard as I type! Maybe by midweek?

Xtina · January 28th, 2014, 08:46 AM

sharky nrk · January 28th, 2014, 09:49 AM

Sweet, waiting for final results of the whole package.

old3 · January 28th, 2014, 12:04 PM

Me too!!!

I'd be testing it right now despite the 14f temps here. The part was delivered to Blair late yesterday so I'm hoping he measures it up and ships it back quickly.

willi777 · January 30th, 2014, 09:33 AM

But why aren't these Asian parts making it here to the US? Great work Old3, if Blair can sell these brackets for a fair price, there will be alot of caliper swaps going on. FWIW, the 6 piston calipers are prone to sticking more than the 4 piston calipers- most prefer the 4 piston for better feel as well.

old3 · January 30th, 2014, 09:57 AM

Thanks Willi, I'll be playing around with both when I get it all back. If one is better than the other it is pretty cheap to find either on ebay or laying in a buddies garage. The 6 piston was given to me with a few GSXR parts for my front end swap or I'd have not gone looking for it. Brand new with new HH sintered pads so who could say no?

I'm sure Blair's prices will be competitive, and I can only speak for the rear sets I bought from him but they are stout, good looking, top quality pieces. Almost a shame to ride with them. They could hang on the wall in my den!

Xtina · January 30th, 2014, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Thanks Willi, I'll be playing around with both when I get it all back. If one is better than the other it is pretty cheap to find either on ebay or laying in a buddies garage. The 6 piston was given to me with a few GSXR parts for my front end swap or I'd have not gone looking for it. Brand new with new HH sintered pads so who could say no?

I'm sure Blair's prices will be competitive, and I can only speak for the rear sets I bought from him but they are stout, good looking, top quality pieces. Almost a shame to ride with them. They could hang on the wall in my den!

I'm definitely in for one of these brackets when they are made.

fast1075 · February 1st, 2014, 04:20 PM

I just ordered a caliper from E-bay. A 4 pot from a GSXR 600 right side.

old3 · February 1st, 2014, 04:36 PM

I just suggested he might want to consider a pre-order for these brackets. I'll let you guys know what he says. I'm going to "borrow" my kids 12/250 stock rubber hosed front brakes from master to pads so I can ride again. Looks like we might get snow again Monday anyway...

Ugh! I still hate to have my bike not ready to ride. Every time I walk by it I want to squeeze the brake lever!

old3 · February 2nd, 2014, 09:15 PM

Here is the reply I got from Blair tonight.

"Better brakes will be on the way soon, We are working out the fitting details and want it to be right for both Ninja 250 and Ninja 300, "

So, get those ebay/wrecking yard calipers while they are cheap! He is working on as we speak!

DeltaFoxtrotZulu · February 2nd, 2014, 11:17 PM

Looking forward to this. Got a caliper on the way. Wasn't sure how quickly the Nissin adapter was coming so I went for the safer Tokico choice. Was cheaper too.

Do we need any thing different with regard to banjo bolts or brake line end fittings for these compared to stock? (Got Galfer stainless lines)

We should get a stronger master cylinder to go with this, right? (Re-reading this sounds like you're on the fence. Stock should be acceptable, but you like the 650 better?)

old3 · February 3rd, 2014, 09:09 AM

I haven't tested the 650 master yet as my bracket is still with Blair. As soon as I have it back I'll let you know. With the 4 pot the stocker was really good. With the 6 pot it wasn't bad but not great at first and I jumped the gun and bought the 5/8" master.

I think I spoke too soon on that as the pads were brand new and after they bedded in it was really good with the stock master too. It'll still be good to try it, but don't go buy one yet. I'll be the test dummy on that.

Stock banjo and your Galfer line should be fine. I think I have it routed pretty much the same as to the stock caliper. Eyeball my hose in the pic above to be sure. I might have deleted a clamp at the bottom? It has been about a year since I did the hose swap.

DeltaFoxtrotZulu · February 3rd, 2014, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Stock banjo and your Galfer line should be fine. I think I have it routed pretty much the same as to the stock caliper. Eyeball my hose in the pic above to be sure. I might have deleted a clamp at the bottom? It has been about a year since I did the hose swap.

I couldn't use the bottom clamp on my stainless line. I cutoff the rubber ring from the stock hose so I could use the top clamp.

old3 · February 3rd, 2014, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaFoxtrotZulu

I couldn't use the bottom clamp on my stainless line. I cutoff the rubber ring from the stock hose so I could use the top clamp.

That sounds familiar. I think I cut a loop or threaded bung off the bracket/guide down by the caliper too. I remembering it being a very obvious fitting/solution.

mania · February 3rd, 2014, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willi777

But why aren't these Asian parts making it here to the US? Great work Old3, if Blair can sell these brackets for a fair price, there will be alot of caliper swaps going on. FWIW, the 6 piston calipers are prone to sticking more than the 4 piston calipers- most prefer the 4 piston for better feel as well.

Well I have wondered too

living here in Asia now I have considered buying batches & trying to sell online.
The main problem is air postage is kind of high. But I am still looking into it

Because they do have many cool things here.

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 07:45 AM

Guys and gals

, I finally installed the tokico 4 pot caliper today.

so here is how the build went.

instead of making a new adapter like Jim thought why not give the stock adapter a go. and to my luck it actually worked. All i had to do was flip the thing vertically and it fit almost like a glove.

the mods i had to make included grinding the stock adapter near the top mounting nut a bit to make the caliper fit and remove the threading from the bottom mounting hole of the caliper. so you need 2 8mm x 20mm stainless allen bolts and 2 1mm washers. there is a slight gap between the adapter and the caliper so the washer goes there. the top nut comes from the back because the adapter has no thread there. and the bottom one goes normally through easily as the threading has been drilled out.Rest just involved me putting it back together and bleeding it using my trusty mityvac

i must add that about 5% of the pads arent in contact with the disc as a result of using the stock adapter plate but i can live with that. Mated with the 14 mm master the difference is NIGHT and DAY!

a few pics to show u what it looks like

sharky nrk · February 5th, 2014, 08:11 AM

^^ great work there. Looks good!!! Still want to see the SV Racing plate as Blair makes good stuff but really like the DIY.

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

^^ great work there. Looks good!!! Still want to see the SV Racing plate as Blair makes good stuff but really like the DIY.

obviously nothing compared to jim's bracket but this works pretty well for me. lets see if this is gonna be as reliable as his install..i need new brake pads though.

fast1075 · February 5th, 2014, 09:39 AM

Mailman just brought my caliper. Looks pretty good, but I won't get to fiddle with it till the weekend most likely.

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fast1075

Mailman just brought my caliper. Looks pretty good, but I won't get to fiddle with it till the weekend most likely.

all the best

old3 · February 5th, 2014, 11:45 AM

Very cool to use the stock bracket like that. I guess you could use that as a template to make another and correct the pad location at the same time?

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Very cool to use the stock bracket like that. I guess you could use that as a template to make another and correct the pad location at the same time?

yup already in the pipeline

p.s. thanks a lot for the leads. wouldnt have been possible without you

DaveTheCanuck · February 5th, 2014, 01:17 PM

oooo this is exciting

Does anyone know if the right and left Tokico callipers on the GSXR are interchangeable? They look identical in pictures. Looks like the only difference would be the location of the bleeder screw.

Edit: NVM, upon closer inspection, they are not mirrored and probably wouldn't fit if flipped.

old3 · February 5th, 2014, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadewalker

yup already in the pipeline

p.s. thanks a lot for the leads. wouldnt have been possible without you

Did the caliper end up exactly centered over the rotor with the stock flipped bracket?

Klondike1020 · February 5th, 2014, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

RSV Racing makes a few different ones here for front & rear.
This seller ( Jiester ) is in Indonesia I used his pics as they had them all on their FB
But RSV the manufacturer is in Thailand.

I wish you had posted these BEFORE I CAME BACK FROM THAILAND !
I wouldve brought back a couple sets
the Thai people had no IDEA what I wanted so photos wouldve helped !

mania · February 5th, 2014, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klondike1020

I wish you had posted these BEFORE I CAME BACK FROM THAILAND !
I would've brought back a couple sets
the Thai people had no IDEA what I wanted so photos would've helped !

Sorry bout that & yes if you do not speak Thai & better yet type it
for web inquiries doing things here can be very frustrating.

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Did the caliper end up exactly centered over the rotor with the stock flipped bracket?

Not completely.. Ill put up pics showing how much of it is left.. I'd say about 5 to 10%isnt in contact

Klondike1020 · February 5th, 2014, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

Sorry bout that & yes if you do not speak Thai & better yet type it
for web inquiries doing things here can be very frustrating.

I should see if we could arrange for some parts to come back with my friends who are living in thailand ! save the trouble of the convoluted shipping issues

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadewalker

Not completely.. Ill put up pics showing how much of it is left.. I'd say about 5 to 10%isnt in contact

bummer. lets see the pics. . are you going to modd the mount , it sounds like you are close...?

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klondike1020

I should see if we could arrange for some parts to come back with my friends who are living in thailand ! save the trouble of the convoluted shipping issues

bummer. lets see the pics. . are you going to modd the mount , it sounds like you are close...?

I'll probably get a new mount made. Makes more sense.. Something in Chrome and ss. :-D

Klondike1020 · February 5th, 2014, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadewalker

I'll probably get a new mount made. Makes more sense.. Something in Chrome and ss. :-D

Is machining and mechanic work affordable where you are?

its insane expensive in NY but I was amazed at how cheap work was on the bikes in Thailand.

the after market parts I saw in many stores seemed reasonable~ but I guess even cheap in US is exorbitant in cost for most incomes in Thailand .

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klondike1020

Is machining and mechanic work affordable where you are?

its insane expensive in NY but I was amazed at how cheap work was on the bikes in Thailand.

the after market parts I saw in many stores seemed reasonable~ but I guess even cheap in US is exorbitant in cost for most incomes in Thailand .

Lol cheap is an understatement.. I wouldn't Cost me more than 30 dollars to get it made out of a block. The income situation is same here in India too. The average income for someone to be above the poverty line is 30 dollars a month..

Anyway I'll definitely be getting a new part fashioned to align the caliper better.. I anyway have to open the caliper up to clean it inside out.

old3 · February 5th, 2014, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadewalker

Not completely.. Ill put up pics showing how much of it is left.. I'd say about 5 to 10%isnt in contact

I mean in the other respect, are the pistons equal distance at full retract as compared to the rotor.

shadewalker · February 5th, 2014, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

I mean in the other respect, are the pistons equal distance at full retract as compared to the rotor.

Oh yeah.. Absolutely fine in that respect

fast1075 · February 8th, 2014, 01:49 PM

Had a bit of time this morning to put the bike on the lift. My bike is a Pre Gen, and the fork leg caliper mounts are very different than a 300 sadly. But all is not lost. It will be possible to still mount the caliper. I took some measurements to begin building a mount. I put the bike back together because it is "supposed" to be nice weather tomorrow, and I want to ride it.

If the rain persists, it will go back on the lift and I will work on the adapter prototype. It would be nice if there was a "plug-n-play" adapter, but it is just more of a challenge.

shadewalker · February 8th, 2014, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fast1075

Had a bit of time this morning to put the bike on the lift. My bike is a Pre Gen, and the fork leg caliper mounts are very different than a 300 sadly. But all is not lost. It will be possible to still mount the caliper. I took some measurements to begin building a mount. I put the bike back together because it is "supposed" to be nice weather tomorrow, and I want to ride it.

If the rain persists, it will go back on the lift and I will work on the adapter prototype. It would be nice if there was a "plug-n-play" adapter, but it is just more of a challenge.

All the best.. Today I too am gonna get a new adapter made since I want the pads to fully grip the rotor.. Hope it's not any harder than it looks..

Somchai · February 8th, 2014, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadewalker

All the best.. Today I too am gonna get a new adapter made since I want the pads to fully grip the rotor.. Hope it's not any harder than it looks..

I'd go the other way, got a bigger disc with 296mm diameter to fit the caliper.

shadewalker · February 8th, 2014, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

I'd go the other way, got a bigger disc with 296mm diameter to fit the caliper.

That's not the only problem.. It's off by an angle so I need to rotate and push it in.. The bracket will be quiet different.. A lot like old3's

sharky nrk · February 10th, 2014, 06:40 AM

Any luck with the SV bracket yet?

old3 · February 11th, 2014, 12:16 PM

Stand by for breaking SV Racing caliper bracket braking news...

DaveTheCanuck · February 11th, 2014, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Stand by for breaking SV Racing caliper bracket braking news...

Red 300 standing by

January 25th, 2014, 03:56 PM	#41
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	A 2007 Ninja 650 rectangular 5/8" master is mounted and bled. Lever is rock hard and has 5 adjustment range. Next to test ride, but my caliper bracket is at SV Racing and it is snowing hard as I type! Maybe by midweek? Last futzed with by old3; January 25th, 2014 at 08:11 PM.

January 28th, 2014, 09:49 AM	#43
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	Sweet, waiting for final results of the whole package. __________________________________________________ Keep it rubber side down and enjoy the ride Get healthy - Get Fit - Change Your Life Click Here Or PM Me To Find More - Advocare

February 1st, 2014, 04:20 PM	#48
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	I just ordered a caliper from E-bay. A 4 pot from a GSXR 600 right side. __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

February 5th, 2014, 08:11 AM	#57
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	^^ great work there. Looks good!!! Still want to see the SV Racing plate as Blair makes good stuff but really like the DIY. __________________________________________________ Keep it rubber side down and enjoy the ride Get healthy - Get Fit - Change Your Life Click Here Or PM Me To Find More - Advocare

February 5th, 2014, 09:39 AM	#59
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	Got mine Too! Mailman just brought my caliper. Looks pretty good, but I won't get to fiddle with it till the weekend most likely. __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

January 28th, 2014, 08:46 AM	#42
Xtina ninjette.org guru Name: Christina Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300, 2007 Gsxr 600, R6-sold :( Posts: 270

January 28th, 2014, 12:04 PM	#44
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Me too!!! I'd be testing it right now despite the 14f temps here. The part was delivered to Blair late yesterday so I'm hoping he measures it up and ships it back quickly.

January 30th, 2014, 09:33 AM	#45
willi777 ninjette.org member Name: Willie Location: Hampton Bays Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 500, VFR750 Posts: 51	But why aren't these Asian parts making it here to the US? Great work Old3, if Blair can sell these brackets for a fair price, there will be alot of caliper swaps going on. FWIW, the 6 piston calipers are prone to sticking more than the 4 piston calipers- most prefer the 4 piston for better feel as well.

January 30th, 2014, 09:57 AM	#46
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Thanks Willi, I'll be playing around with both when I get it all back. If one is better than the other it is pretty cheap to find either on ebay or laying in a buddies garage. The 6 piston was given to me with a few GSXR parts for my front end swap or I'd have not gone looking for it. Brand new with new HH sintered pads so who could say no? I'm sure Blair's prices will be competitive, and I can only speak for the rear sets I bought from him but they are stout, good looking, top quality pieces. Almost a shame to ride with them. They could hang on the wall in my den!

February 1st, 2014, 04:36 PM	#49
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	I just suggested he might want to consider a pre-order for these brackets. I'll let you guys know what he says. I'm going to "borrow" my kids 12/250 stock rubber hosed front brakes from master to pads so I can ride again. Looks like we might get snow again Monday anyway... Ugh! I still hate to have my bike not ready to ride. Every time I walk by it I want to squeeze the brake lever!

February 2nd, 2014, 09:15 PM	#50
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Here is the reply I got from Blair tonight. "Better brakes will be on the way soon, We are working out the fitting details and want it to be right for both Ninja 250 and Ninja 300, " So, get those ebay/wrecking yard calipers while they are cheap! He is working on as we speak!

February 2nd, 2014, 11:17 PM	#51
DeltaFoxtrotZulu ninjette.org member Name: Dan Location: North Hollywood, CA, USA Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 300 Posts: 53	Looking forward to this. Got a caliper on the way. Wasn't sure how quickly the Nissin adapter was coming so I went for the safer Tokico choice. Was cheaper too. Do we need any thing different with regard to banjo bolts or brake line end fittings for these compared to stock? (Got Galfer stainless lines) We should get a stronger master cylinder to go with this, right? (Re-reading this sounds like you're on the fence. Stock should be acceptable, but you like the 650 better?)

February 3rd, 2014, 09:09 AM	#52
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	I haven't tested the 650 master yet as my bracket is still with Blair. As soon as I have it back I'll let you know. With the 4 pot the stocker was really good. With the 6 pot it wasn't bad but not great at first and I jumped the gun and bought the 5/8" master. I think I spoke too soon on that as the pads were brand new and after they bedded in it was really good with the stock master too. It'll still be good to try it, but don't go buy one yet. I'll be the test dummy on that. Stock banjo and your Galfer line should be fine. I think I have it routed pretty much the same as to the stock caliper. Eyeball my hose in the pic above to be sure. I might have deleted a clamp at the bottom? It has been about a year since I did the hose swap.

February 5th, 2014, 11:45 AM	#61
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Very cool to use the stock bracket like that. I guess you could use that as a template to make another and correct the pad location at the same time?

February 5th, 2014, 01:17 PM	#63
DaveTheCanuck Moo Name: David Location: Toronto'ish, Canada Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 103	oooo this is exciting Does anyone know if the right and left Tokico callipers on the GSXR are interchangeable? They look identical in pictures. Looks like the only difference would be the location of the bleeder screw. Edit: NVM, upon closer inspection, they are not mirrored and probably wouldn't fit if flipped.

February 8th, 2014, 01:49 PM	#74
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	Had a bit of time this morning to put the bike on the lift. My bike is a Pre Gen, and the fork leg caliper mounts are very different than a 300 sadly. But all is not lost. It will be possible to still mount the caliper. I took some measurements to begin building a mount. I put the bike back together because it is "supposed" to be nice weather tomorrow, and I want to ride it. If the rain persists, it will go back on the lift and I will work on the adapter prototype. It would be nice if there was a "plug-n-play" adapter, but it is just more of a challenge. __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

February 10th, 2014, 06:40 AM	#78
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	Any luck with the SV bracket yet? __________________________________________________ Keep it rubber side down and enjoy the ride Get healthy - Get Fit - Change Your Life Click Here Or PM Me To Find More - Advocare

February 11th, 2014, 12:16 PM	#79
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Stand by for breaking SV Racing caliper bracket braking news...

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