2002 GSXR caliper mounted - Page 4

old3 · February 19th, 2014, 10:56 AM

Might add more flex again but I think you might get away with that mount by adding spacers on the radial mounting bolts to move the cal out to the edge of the bigger rotor. Add appropriately longer bolts too of course. i.e. 10mm spacer, add 10mm to your bolts.

You get the look, maybe not the full benefit but the calipers are excellent quality. I agree, if you already have one, why not?

It should be mounted on the correct angle to hit the radius squarely right? Straight off the axle so to speak.

mania · February 19th, 2014, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Might add more flex again but I think you might get away with that mount by adding spacers on the radial mounting bolts to move the cal out to the edge of the bigger rotor. Add appropriately longer bolts too of course. i.e. 10mm spacer, add 10mm to your bolts.

You get the look, maybe not the full benefit but the calipers are excellent quality. I agree, if you already have one, why not?

It should be mounted on the correct angle to hit the radius squarely right? Straight off the axle so to speak.

Hmmm you know that is a good possibility I had not thought of.
I do not have one but they are available & not too pricey
After all as you say the angle should be correct

mania · February 20th, 2014, 12:13 AM

You know while looking at Moto3 testing today
noticing the alternative to bigger rotors & calipers.

Of course these bikes are much lighter
But it would be nice to have this fork & front rim. ( of course

)
Be able to run twin small disc with small strong caliper on each side

Xtina · February 20th, 2014, 01:42 PM

I need bracket! JIM WHERE ARE THEY! /

DaveTheCanuck · February 20th, 2014, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtina

I need bracket! JIM WHERE ARE THEY! /

old3 · February 20th, 2014, 03:47 PM

I'm waiting on SV Racing, sorry guys! If it makes you feel any better, I can't even ride my bike as I don't have my original custom bracket back yet.

Al for a good cause anyway. Last we wrote, Blair said he was almost done with it. I'm hoping to have it back for the Daytona SX trip I was planning on.

shadewalker · February 21st, 2014, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

I'm waiting on SV Racing, sorry guys! If it makes you feel any better, I can't even ride my bike as I don't have my original custom bracket back yet.

Al for a good cause anyway. Last we wrote, Blair said he was almost done with it. I'm hoping to have it back for the Daytona SX trip I was planning on.

All the best.. Hope u get it in time..

sharky nrk · February 21st, 2014, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

You know while looking at Moto3 testing today
noticing the alternative to bigger rotors & calipers.

Of course these bikes are much lighter
But it would be nice to have this fork & front rim. ( of course

)
Be able to run twin small disc with small strong caliper on each side

MMMMMMMM love me some Moto3 bikes

Alkeplar · February 21st, 2014, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

You know while looking at Moto3 testing today
noticing the alternative to bigger rotors & calipers.

Of course these bikes are much lighter
But it would be nice to have this fork & front rim. ( of course

)
Be able to run twin small disc with small strong caliper on each side

One could only with O_o

DaveTheCanuck · February 26th, 2014, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

I'm waiting on SV Racing, sorry guys! If it makes you feel any better, I can't even ride my bike as I don't have my original custom bracket back yet.

Al for a good cause anyway. Last we wrote, Blair said he was almost done with it. I'm hoping to have it back for the Daytona SX trip I was planning on.

*poke* anything?

old3 · February 26th, 2014, 09:00 AM

Not yet, I'll send him a request for that link today... See if we get anywhere.

Back as soon as I hear!

old3 · February 27th, 2014, 03:40 PM

Looks like I won't be able to use a SV Racing cal bracket after all!

320MM, full floater!

Thanks Mike!!!

BTW, I emailed SV, still no word back. I was expecting a link to let our members preorder brackets. I'll post up ASAP when I hear back!

mania · February 27th, 2014, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Looks like I won't be able to use a SV Racing cal bracket after all!

320MM, full floater!

Looking good

Sure look proper now with a real caliper on there too

old3 · February 27th, 2014, 05:53 PM

I think I may have to bribe my machinist with a big bottle of booze or the GSXR front end I doubt I'll be using!

This thing should be nasty with that set up on there!

Thanks again buddy!

shadewalker · February 27th, 2014, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

I think I may have to bribe my machinist with a big bottle of booze or the GSXR front end I doubt I'll be using!

This thing should be nasty with that set up on there!

Thanks again buddy!

Wow wow wow.. This time of u do get it machined please keep the dimensions.. I might go for this setup too.. :-D

fast1075 · February 28th, 2014, 03:53 AM

For those of you who may have been following this thread that have a Pre Gen that want a killer front brake by using the GSXR caliper, I have bad news.

It will not fit. That is, if it is mounted so all of the swept surface of the disc is used. The pads exactly match the swept surface, as they should. If you mount the caliper in the position where it needs to be to align the pads properly, the caliper hits the wheel hub where the rotor bolts are located.

This is because the Pre Gen rotor is 30 mm smaller than the New Gen/300 rotor. The required larger rotor will not fit a Pre Gen wheel, and there is no alternative that I can find. If the larger rotor fit, all would be fine, and I would be doing stoppies today.

Other wise you would need to mount the caliper cocked up so only part of the pads grip the rotor. Not acceptable, at least to me. So without changing to new wheels, etc, (which I have no desire to spend a ton of money doing) unless there is a double top secret over size rotor that seems to not exist, I will be keeping it stock.

Is there a double top secret over size rotor for a Pre Gen?

mania · February 28th, 2014, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fast1075

Is there a double top secret over size rotor for a Pre Gen?

I am not familiar with Pre gen but are you saying a custom adapter cannot be made?

Also how about Beet? Do they sell for Pre-Gens?

http://www.beet.co.jp/english/kawasa...50r/index.html

I see they have a 40 & 65mm adapter as well as bigger rotor kits
Not 320mm but 310 I think.

Somchai · February 28th, 2014, 05:10 AM

I know the website is in german language (Google will translate it for you) and also it looks like that you guys not often look for a german company (except the world-known like BMW i.e.), but here > http://mx-tec.eu/public/dyn_layer.as...6-3a3b54744ee0 < I got my rotor made like I needed it to be (296mm). So maybe you give it a try, since there you get everything you need and also this small company is very well known by german riders...
There's always a way to get what you need and the prices go from around 100 to 150 USD.
And if you need help with the translation just send me a message.

fast1075 · February 28th, 2014, 05:21 AM

Thanks for the links. Guess my Google-fu is not strong enough.

Making the adapter is no problem at all. The problem is the stock rotor is not large enough in diameter for the caliper to clear the wheel. It MIGHT be possible to machine the caliper down enough to clear, but I am not going that route. It looks like machining the caliper down might compromise the integrity of the caliper.

I will check out the links and see how that goes. Thanks!

Xtina · March 3rd, 2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Looks like I won't be able to use a SV Racing cal bracket after all!

320MM, full floater!

Thanks Mike!!!

BTW, I emailed SV, still no word back. I was expecting a link to let our members preorder brackets. I'll post up ASAP when I hear back!

fffuuuuuuu!

Quitter

choneofakind · March 3rd, 2014, 11:03 AM

Dude, your gold and your orange are clashing. Better get that fixed.

old3 · March 5th, 2014, 06:53 AM

Quitter? Xtina, never!

I'll stay on the case guys, as soon as Blair sends me the order info I'll pass it along here. It is going to be worth the wait!

mania · March 5th, 2014, 08:23 AM

I am keeping my fingers crossed for the next adapter

mania · March 5th, 2014, 08:28 AM

BTW: on the USD forks this one was just posted today here
an older 250 with 2003 zx6 fork & wheels as well as a swingarm off a 89 CBR400

I think it is way too much tire wise for a 250
but like the fork, brakes & swingarm

Xtina · March 5th, 2014, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

BTW: on the USD forks this one was just posted today here
an older 250 with 2003 zx6 fork & wheels as well as a swingarm off a 89 CBR400

I think it is way too much tire wise for a 250
but like the fork, brakes & swingarm

It looks so bulky.

mania · March 5th, 2014, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtina

It looks so bulky.

Yes way too much tire

mania · March 13th, 2014, 04:56 AM

RSV has made a nice radial adapter for the Ninja running the 320mm front rotor
Only bummer is it is the 100mm adapter.
That means a pricey Brembo caliper & probably need the radial master pricey also

This bike is running both

sharky nrk · March 13th, 2014, 07:03 AM

^^ I really like that, what we need is a bracket that will accept standard spacing radials, and a matching oem rotor at bolts on. Grab some takeoffs from someone who upgraded to those pricey Brembo bits

I love hand me down upgrades lol.

mania · March 13th, 2014, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

^^ I really like that, what we need is a bracket that will accept standard spacing radials, and a matching oem rotor at bolts on. Grab some takeoffs from someone who upgraded to those pricey Brembo bits

I love hand me down upgrades lol.

Actually I know RSV did one for standard rotor & Nissin radial
But do not know if it was a one off or a stocked item
Here is a pic

sharky nrk · March 13th, 2014, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

Actually I know RSV did one for standard rotor & Nissin radial
But do not know if it was a one off or a stocked item
Here is a pic

lol, they don't have a US distribution arm though do they?

DeltaFoxtrotZulu · March 13th, 2014, 09:12 AM

Wonder where they got the 320 rotor? From another Kawasaki or something custom they sell?

Starting to worry about this SVR adapter not coming...

mania · March 13th, 2014, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaFoxtrotZulu

Wonder where they got the 320 rotor? From another Kawasaki or something custom they sell?

Starting to worry about this SVR adapter not coming...

We have them here in Thailand

I bought one too
It was marketed under Nassert Beet name but is not their product
Does seem a good rotor though IMO
Although my stock caliper looks really tiny now

I am looking to change soon to Axial 4 pot Nissin or Tokico
As soon as I can suss the mount out

old3 · March 13th, 2014, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaFoxtrotZulu

Wonder where they got the 320 rotor? From another Kawasaki or something custom they sell?

Starting to worry about this SVR adapter not coming...

Production takes time, I just emailed him a few minutes ago and will let you know what he says. He runs a pretty nice sized business and all his stuff is beautiful, anodized and precision. I have no doubt these will be excellent brackets, nothing like the brick I sent him!

Patience, he needs to build jigs to be able to reproduce these reliably, then send them for the color coating. It'll be worth the wait IMO.

old3 · March 13th, 2014, 01:45 PM

Here is the actual reply I got today,

"Hi Jim, I was just at the shop this morning, it is all in final production fitting now. It will be a redesign of what your guy did and I think you will appreciate the differences once you see them."

So, it is coming!!! Don't fret!!! Save your quarters, dimes and nickels and be ready to pounce on them when they are released!

Han Solo 1 · March 14th, 2014, 07:28 AM

Just went through most of this thread.

Is this something that someone can install themselves without a lot of wrenching knowledge? Or is it better to take it in to a shop?

allanoue · March 14th, 2014, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han Solo 1

Just went through most of this thread.

Is this something that someone can install themselves without a lot of wrenching knowledge? Or is it better to take it in to a shop?

it is easier to do then the bearings.

Han Solo 1 · March 14th, 2014, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

it is easier to do then the bearings.

Cool.

old3 · March 14th, 2014, 10:20 AM

Super easy job. Read up on bleeding brakes. I can do it alone, but a friend to work the brake lever helps. The actual caliper install will be a snap.

1. Remove brake hose at caliper, be ready to catch/mop up brake fluid

2. Remove 2 bolts securing caliper to fork and remove caliper

3. Bolt on adapter/caliper. I haven't seen the new part so you might bolt them together first or after the bracket is on the bike. Check the pads are outside the rotor, one on each side.

4. Attach brake hose

5. Bleed brake at caliper

I'd suggest adding a SS braided hose while you are there if you have a stock hose. You are half way done already, just remove it from master cylinder and replace it.

This is no more than a 30 minute job from start to clean up.

Han Solo 1 · March 14th, 2014, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

Super easy job. ..............

This is no more than a 30 minute job from start to clean up.

Wow. If it's really that much of a difference in braking power, I might go ahead and do this.

DeltaFoxtrotZulu · March 14th, 2014, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old3

5. Bleed brake at caliper

What do you use for bleeding. I've tried a few things and the hoses are always too narrow I cannot get them onto the caliper bleed screw. I'm thinking one of those reverse pumps might be the best route.

February 20th, 2014, 01:42 PM	#124
Xtina ninjette.org guru Name: Christina Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300, 2007 Gsxr 600, R6-sold :( Posts: 270	I need bracket! JIM WHERE ARE THEY! /
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February 28th, 2014, 03:53 AM	#136
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	Bad News For those of you who may have been following this thread that have a Pre Gen that want a killer front brake by using the GSXR caliper, I have bad news. It will not fit. That is, if it is mounted so all of the swept surface of the disc is used. The pads exactly match the swept surface, as they should. If you mount the caliper in the position where it needs to be to align the pads properly, the caliper hits the wheel hub where the rotor bolts are located. This is because the Pre Gen rotor is 30 mm smaller than the New Gen/300 rotor. The required larger rotor will not fit a Pre Gen wheel, and there is no alternative that I can find. If the larger rotor fit, all would be fine, and I would be doing stoppies today. Other wise you would need to mount the caliper cocked up so only part of the pads grip the rotor. Not acceptable, at least to me. So without changing to new wheels, etc, (which I have no desire to spend a ton of money doing) unless there is a double top secret over size rotor that seems to not exist, I will be keeping it stock. Is there a double top secret over size rotor for a Pre Gen? __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

February 28th, 2014, 05:21 AM	#139
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	Thanks for the links. Guess my Google-fu is not strong enough. Making the adapter is no problem at all. The problem is the stock rotor is not large enough in diameter for the caliper to clear the wheel. It MIGHT be possible to machine the caliper down enough to clear, but I am not going that route. It looks like machining the caliper down might compromise the integrity of the caliper. I will check out the links and see how that goes. Thanks! __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

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February 19th, 2014, 10:56 AM	#121
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Might add more flex again but I think you might get away with that mount by adding spacers on the radial mounting bolts to move the cal out to the edge of the bigger rotor. Add appropriately longer bolts too of course. i.e. 10mm spacer, add 10mm to your bolts. You get the look, maybe not the full benefit but the calipers are excellent quality. I agree, if you already have one, why not? It should be mounted on the correct angle to hit the radius squarely right? Straight off the axle so to speak.

February 20th, 2014, 03:47 PM	#126
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	I'm waiting on SV Racing, sorry guys! If it makes you feel any better, I can't even ride my bike as I don't have my original custom bracket back yet. Al for a good cause anyway. Last we wrote, Blair said he was almost done with it. I'm hoping to have it back for the Daytona SX trip I was planning on.

February 26th, 2014, 09:00 AM	#131
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Not yet, I'll send him a request for that link today... See if we get anywhere. Back as soon as I hear!

February 27th, 2014, 03:40 PM	#132
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Looks like I won't be able to use a SV Racing cal bracket after all! 320MM, full floater! Thanks Mike!!! BTW, I emailed SV, still no word back. I was expecting a link to let our members preorder brackets. I'll post up ASAP when I hear back!

February 27th, 2014, 05:53 PM	#134
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	I think I may have to bribe my machinist with a big bottle of booze or the GSXR front end I doubt I'll be using! This thing should be nasty with that set up on there! Thanks again buddy!

February 28th, 2014, 05:10 AM	#138
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	I know the website is in german language (Google will translate it for you) and also it looks like that you guys not often look for a german company (except the world-known like BMW i.e.), but here > http://mx-tec.eu/public/dyn_layer.as...6-3a3b54744ee0 < I got my rotor made like I needed it to be (296mm). So maybe you give it a try, since there you get everything you need and also this small company is very well known by german riders... There's always a way to get what you need and the prices go from around 100 to 150 USD. And if you need help with the translation just send me a message.

March 3rd, 2014, 11:03 AM	#141
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Dude, your gold and your orange are clashing. Better get that fixed.

March 5th, 2014, 06:53 AM	#142
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Quitter? Xtina, never! I'll stay on the case guys, as soon as Blair sends me the order info I'll pass it along here. It is going to be worth the wait!

March 5th, 2014, 08:23 AM	#143
mania ninjette.org member Name: mania Location: Asia Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 250 Posts: 242	I am keeping my fingers crossed for the next adapter

March 13th, 2014, 09:12 AM	#151
DeltaFoxtrotZulu ninjette.org member Name: Dan Location: North Hollywood, CA, USA Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Kawasaki Ninja 300 Posts: 53	Wonder where they got the 320 rotor? From another Kawasaki or something custom they sell? Starting to worry about this SVR adapter not coming...

March 13th, 2014, 01:45 PM	#154
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Here is the actual reply I got today, "Hi Jim, I was just at the shop this morning, it is all in final production fitting now. It will be a redesign of what your guy did and I think you will appreciate the differences once you see them." So, it is coming!!! Don't fret!!! Save your quarters, dimes and nickels and be ready to pounce on them when they are released!

March 14th, 2014, 07:28 AM	#155
Han Solo 1 ninjette.org guru Name: Han Solo Location: Albuquerque Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): Had a 2008 Ninja 250, til some low-life stole it. Now riding a 2013 red cbr250. Posts: 274	Just went through most of this thread. Is this something that someone can install themselves without a lot of wrenching knowledge? Or is it better to take it in to a shop?

March 14th, 2014, 10:20 AM	#158
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Super easy job. Read up on bleeding brakes. I can do it alone, but a friend to work the brake lever helps. The actual caliper install will be a snap. 1. Remove brake hose at caliper, be ready to catch/mop up brake fluid 2. Remove 2 bolts securing caliper to fork and remove caliper 3. Bolt on adapter/caliper. I haven't seen the new part so you might bolt them together first or after the bracket is on the bike. Check the pads are outside the rotor, one on each side. 4. Attach brake hose 5. Bleed brake at caliper I'd suggest adding a SS braided hose while you are there if you have a stock hose. You are half way done already, just remove it from master cylinder and replace it. This is no more than a 30 minute job from start to clean up.