Shifting Questions from a Nub.

ranma3030 · April 5th, 2012, 04:24 PM

Hey all. Been riding for about a month now and loving it big time!

But I have a few questions for you all. I'm trying to make my up/downshifts as smooth as poss. Or at least doing it right :P

When shifting up from say 2nd to 3rd etc etc do you let off the throttle the whole way when the clutch is in? Then do you start to roll on again as you let go of the clutch? and should I be letting the clutch out realy slow???

Thanks all for spending the time to ready this and hopefully help me out.

Peace all.

Deejay AKA RaNmA.

massacremasses · April 5th, 2012, 04:29 PM

shifting questions always confuse me... And then I try to have to think about how I shift...

I think I semi match the throttle to when the clutch is released if that makes sense... but sometimes I shift into neutral and look like a dummy when I get to antsy and a dumbass wants to run me over in their car at a light because I lanesplit...

ranma3030 · April 5th, 2012, 04:35 PM

that does make sense

thanks mate. It's just somtimes the bike jerks a bit. not sure if im giving to much throttle or letting go of clutch to early.

drac · April 5th, 2012, 05:07 PM

No, you shouldn't let the clutch out super slow. Once you get the hang of it shifting should take less than a second(literally). There will be times when the process is more lackadaisical but generally speaking it should be a fairly quick process.

Having said that I should also point out that since you are a new rider don't feel as if you have to rush things. Smooth, seamless shifting is just one of those things that you kinda just end up learning as you gain experience. Time in the saddle will make it happen, you can't force it.

You want to be rolling on the throttle as you let the clutch out but not too soon..(a jerk forward motion)... and not too late..(engine bogs a little and it feels like someone applied a little brake). It's a "feel" thing and hard to express with words.

ranma3030 · April 5th, 2012, 05:13 PM

thanks A lot for your advice. I will work on it. Have a happy easter all!

alex.s · April 5th, 2012, 06:52 PM

dont bother using the clutch once you are past 1st gear

massacremasses · April 5th, 2012, 07:31 PM

I like using the clutch...

Motofool · April 5th, 2012, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranma3030

......I'm trying to make my up/downshifts as smooth as poss. Or at least doing it right :P

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...t=downshifting

Jiggles · April 5th, 2012, 10:12 PM

Clutch less is fun tho. Put pressure on the shifter release WOT and instantly go back to WOT like magic you are in the next gear

Jono · April 6th, 2012, 06:16 AM

Clutchless up shifts are the sh**!!! I love it! But in slow city traffic it can be difficult at times. Haha. So I still use the clutch.

Yeah idk why there are so many questions on shifting. My guess, hardly anybody drives a manual car these days so when they get a bike the whole shifting your vehicle yourself thing just confuses them idk.

I drive a manual car so when I got the bike it was just second nature. I picked it up instantly.

zzrguy · April 6th, 2012, 06:31 AM

dont let the clutch out slow but dont just let go either. Let the clutch out smoothly but fast if that makes any sense.

ninja_sleeper · April 8th, 2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

dont bother using the clutch once you are past 1st gear

Everytime I do this, my bike jerks. It's not very smooth. Maybe I should try it at a higher speed?

... brb.

alex.s · April 9th, 2012, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja_sleeper

Everytime I do this, my bike jerks. It's not very smooth. Maybe I should try it at a higher speed?

... brb.

flick the throttle faster. it has to be off and back on again in an instant. whole thing takes around a quarter second at most

alex.s · April 9th, 2012, 08:25 PM

after writing that i payed closer attention to how long it takes... a quarter second is way slow. the big part is how quickly you can shut the throttle off, so snapping it up quickly is key. getting back on the gas quickly keeps it smooth.

April 5th, 2012, 04:24 PM	#1
ranma3030 ninjette.org member Name: Deejay Location: adelaide Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r SE green. Posts: 75	Shifting Questions from a Nub. Hey all. Been riding for about a month now and loving it big time! But I have a few questions for you all. I'm trying to make my up/downshifts as smooth as poss. Or at least doing it right :P When shifting up from say 2nd to 3rd etc etc do you let off the throttle the whole way when the clutch is in? Then do you start to roll on again as you let go of the clutch? and should I be letting the clutch out realy slow??? Thanks all for spending the time to ready this and hopefully help me out. Peace all. Deejay AKA RaNmA.

April 5th, 2012, 04:29 PM	#2
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	shifting questions always confuse me... And then I try to have to think about how I shift... I think I semi match the throttle to when the clutch is released if that makes sense... but sometimes I shift into neutral and look like a dummy when I get to antsy and a dumbass wants to run me over in their car at a light because I lanesplit... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

April 5th, 2012, 05:07 PM	#4
drac ninjette.org member Name: drac Location: VA Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): '88 Hurricane 600, '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 237	No, you shouldn't let the clutch out super slow. Once you get the hang of it shifting should take less than a second(literally). There will be times when the process is more lackadaisical but generally speaking it should be a fairly quick process. Having said that I should also point out that since you are a new rider don't feel as if you have to rush things. Smooth, seamless shifting is just one of those things that you kinda just end up learning as you gain experience. Time in the saddle will make it happen, you can't force it. You want to be rolling on the throttle as you let the clutch out but not too soon..(a jerk forward motion)... and not too late..(engine bogs a little and it feels like someone applied a little brake). It's a "feel" thing and hard to express with words. __________________________________________________ While no trees were harmed in making this post, a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.

April 5th, 2012, 06:52 PM	#6
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	dont bother using the clutch once you are past 1st gear __________________________________________________

April 5th, 2012, 07:31 PM	#7
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	I like using the clutch... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

April 5th, 2012, 04:35 PM	#3
ranma3030 ninjette.org member Name: Deejay Location: adelaide Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r SE green. Posts: 75	that does make sense thanks mate. It's just somtimes the bike jerks a bit. not sure if im giving to much throttle or letting go of clutch to early.

April 5th, 2012, 05:13 PM	#5
ranma3030 ninjette.org member Name: Deejay Location: adelaide Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r SE green. Posts: 75	thanks A lot for your advice. I will work on it. Have a happy easter all!

April 5th, 2012, 10:12 PM	#9
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Clutch less is fun tho. Put pressure on the shifter release WOT and instantly go back to WOT like magic you are in the next gear __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

April 6th, 2012, 06:16 AM	#10
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Clutchless up shifts are the sh**!!! I love it! But in slow city traffic it can be difficult at times. Haha. So I still use the clutch. Yeah idk why there are so many questions on shifting. My guess, hardly anybody drives a manual car these days so when they get a bike the whole shifting your vehicle yourself thing just confuses them idk. I drive a manual car so when I got the bike it was just second nature. I picked it up instantly.

April 6th, 2012, 06:31 AM	#11
zzrguy ninjette.org member Name: Lostboy Location: Guelph Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 ZZR 250 Posts: 127	dont let the clutch out slow but dont just let go either. Let the clutch out smoothly but fast if that makes any sense.

April 9th, 2012, 08:25 PM	#14
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	after writing that i payed closer attention to how long it takes... a quarter second is way slow. the big part is how quickly you can shut the throttle off, so snapping it up quickly is key. getting back on the gas quickly keeps it smooth. __________________________________________________

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