H.I.D. kit for 250R!

[ScorpionNinja]

Hi,

Ive been looking into getting a HID kit (H7 bulb) for my 250, but im curious as to what Brand of HID Kit is the best and whatnot!


What is the ideal Light Color?
Ive ask guys at work (they have HIDs in their trucks/cars) and they say 5,000k or 6,000k is the Brightest!

STG near me has this for sale, i think its low+high beam kit!
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=5977

Or theres these kits! Digital ones? digital is better then reg HID? whaaa? so confusing lol
http://fatbikez.com/xetronic-digital...t-h7-bulb.html

http://fatbikez.com/xetronic-digital...mon-size-.html


DIY HID thread wasnt really helpful, i just want good Info so i make sure i buy the Best HID kit (for both high/low beams) for the money!

Will the Xenxon kits be brighter then the luminez one, or no?

[kevlar250]

Don't pay too much! These are proven quality.
http://www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p...=101&parent=85
That's for both H & L!
35w, H7 & 4500K should be all you need & the most usable light. couldn't tell the diff between 4500 & 5000 unless they were side-by-side so either one. 8000 will have that nice bluish white.
How I did it:
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/v...view=slideshow

[JBell250R]

*looks over his shoulder* where are all the HID-in-reflective-housing bashers?? surely they lurk in this forum too...

[ithaca00]

I'm here!

Don't do IT!!!! You will blind oncoming traffic and make your own vision worse. The only safe and viable way to use HIDs on your bike is with a housing designed for it.

[ScorpionNinja]

Hold up, put away the jokes!

seriously, so are you saying dont use the DDM kits, cause they arent the right type for our bikes?

I saw the website link info, they mention use in trucks/cars... not motorcycles!

but **** man, $40.00 is hella cheaper then the $200.00+ "motorcycle HID" kits out there online!

so whats the real verdict? Yes the DDM HIDs are the best Value for our bikes,

or No?

thanks for the replies! I really need HIDs, as i do ALOT of Night riding, and the DEER here in Michigan are crazy!
Specially in the Fall/Early spring! (Last year, my 2nd week of Riding my New 250, a Deer at night, ran across the road as i was cruising along at 55mph (posted speed limit) and I swear i missed it by 2-3 FEET! No Joke!

[kkim]

I have an ebay HID kit in my bike and have had no problems.

[g21-30]

You should probably hurry and decide what you want to do. Ebay currently has only 244,894 conversion kits advertised. Maybe takes pics of your install and post an updated DIY, as I'm sure there are others who would love this mod.

[kevlar250]

I've heard that the bluer / whiter HID's don't freeze the deer but chase them off the road. Might want to get one of them deer whistles also. Many on the Buell's BadWeb site use the DDM's. I got mine off Ebay but like the DDM's size.
Hey g, I've posted a DIY up a few replies.

[ithaca00]

Originally Posted by ScorpionNinja

Hold up, put away the jokes!

seriously, so are you saying dont use the DDM kits, cause they arent the right type for our bikes?

There are no jokes here. I'm saying that you shouldn't use ANY HID kit on this bike, or any other, not because of the brand but because it is dangerous. There is only ONE bike on the market that offers a housing conducive to HID lighting and that is the Victory Vision Tour Premium.

Putting a HID bulb into a Halogen reflector is just a bad idea since the housing is not designed to work with the different lighting characteristics.

You might want to take a look here: Daniel Stern Lighting. There is a good amount of information of lighting of all nature here.

Anyways, that's my 2c on the matter and most of you will forget I've even said anything. I hope that I never have to ride near you, or anyone else, with shoddy HIDs installed.

[kenji_808]

i have the ddm tuning hid on my celica, and they work great.

the hid kit that was on my celica previously is now on my 250 (both are h7)
since i ride from work late at night and drive to school in the daytime i felt safer havin hids on my bike then
my car while i waited for the ddm kit to come in that was on back stock

heres my 2 cents on hid usage:

i hate it when cars have hid kits on reflector headlights (my celica has halogen projectors, but there angled down)
since it just scatters and blinds oncoming traffic
i only did this on my bike for the sole purpose of safety.

since where very unprotected while riding havin the ability for cagers to see you is must,
who cares if you blind the **** of them at least they know your there and wont pull out in front of you

even in the daytime i ride w/ hi beams on

thats just my 2 cents
im always thinking about MY safety since in a battle between a cager and a rider
100% of the time the cager will come out in way better condition then the rider
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[kenji_808]

one more thing get only 5k since oem hids are usually 4k and most hid manufacturers dont make 4k bulbs

i hate seeing any color other than white,it gets really distracting
when you see blue purple or yellow hids shining at you
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[kkim]

Originally Posted by kenji_808

one more thing get only 5k since oem hids are usually 4k and most hid manufacturers dont make 4k bulbs


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Not true... my HIDs are 4300K.

[pedaltothemetal]

The extra visibility makes riding in the daytime safer for sure!
For old eyes, night vision is much better!

[sendler]

Originally Posted by kevlar250

Don't pay too much! These are proven quality.
http://www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p...=101&parent=85
That's for both H & L!
35w, H7 & 4500K should be all you need & the most usable light. couldn't tell the diff between 4500 & 5000 unless they were side-by-side so either one. 8000 will have that nice bluish white.
How I did it:
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/v...view=slideshow

Can you post pics of some beam shots? Some looking out on a flat road and some shining 100 feet onto a flat wall so that we can see the pattern. Do they spray all over the place or is there some decent pattern retained?
PS
The stock low beam is terrible. It should be illegal to sell a bike with lighting that is that bad. At 50 mph you are already outriding your lights. Cars get to have two blindingly bright HIDs from the factory. Night vision is even more criticall for a motorcyclist. Let us have light.

[c717905]

I don't have pictures, but I installed these HIDs a few weeks ago and I think they work rather well. After some tweaking, I was able to get a fairly low light pattern line. It is a fairly clear line, but there is a bit of dispersion above the line, so it isn't nearly as good as a projector (which costs about 10x as much as this kit).

I might try to get some pics for you, but I don't think they will turn out well, so they probably won't be very useful.

[sendler]

I did see some beam shots of the DDM HID bulbs in another thread that look pretty good. Much better than some of the cars I see running around for sure. A very decent pattern. For the price which is less than two replacement halogens, I will be glad to try them.
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http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...0&goto=newpost

[kobachi]

If you do install an HID kit, be absolutely sure you take the time to /properly/ re-align your headlights. It will make a world of difference to the traffic that you'll be blinding.

[jdoucet93]

man DDM all the way. I have two sets of HIDs in my truck and one in my high and low beam on my ninja and they are GREAT. never had a single problem.

Of course I'm the asshole that has to have the brightest lights possible. These are 55watt 10000k. Just the low beam lights up EVERYTHING!

[shiroganeshinobi]

Definitely just jump on the DDM tuning kits. If you're riding on streets with no lighting, 45 mphs is like the max limit before you outride your lights. With HIDs in the regular housing, light dispersal has a more lateral effect. As long as you aim your lights down, it shouldn't blind oncoming traffic too much but it will still annoying people. Yes, they make a hell of a difference riding at night.

[alex.s]

fyi 10k is not as bright as 5k

also... i'm not sure but i think 10000k would melt the earth and the surrounding planets...

[jdoucet93]

Originally Posted by alex.s

fyi 10k is not as bright as 5k

also... i'm not sure but i think 10000k would melt the earth and the surrounding planets...

you are absolutely correct in both of those statements. haha

I've seen them referred to as 10k and also 10000k. Always though that 10000k sounded a bit odd seeing as how 10000k = ~17540 degrees fahrenheit... I guess now i know.

yeah i got the 10k bulbs because combined with the 55watt ballasts, the color is pretty much perfect. Not too blue, not snow white.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by JBell250R

*looks over his shoulder* where are all the HID-in-reflective-housing bashers?? surely they lurk in this forum too...

I'm here too!

get projectors if you're going to do the HID install. That way you don't blind traffic, and you wont have any lag when you flash the brights, since the brights are controlled by a little servo that flips a small plate that cuts off the top when the brights are off.

[jonthechron]

Originally Posted by JBell250R

*looks over his shoulder* where are all the HID-in-reflective-housing bashers?? surely they lurk in this forum too...

I',m also here, these kits are garbage IMO! Get a real conversion done or GET OUT!

[geeker]

Originally Posted by jdoucet93

you are absolutely correct in both of those statements. haha

I've seen them referred to as 10k and also 10000k. Always though that 10000k sounded a bit odd seeing as how 10000k = ~17540 degrees fahrenheit... I guess now i know.

yeah i got the 10k bulbs because combined with the 55watt ballasts, the color is pretty much perfect. Not too blue, not snow white.

FWIW, the 5000k and 10000k refer to color temperature. Not actual temperature. Think white balance on a digital camera.

[jdoucet93]

Originally Posted by geeker

FWIW, the 5000k and 10000k refer to color temperature. Not actual temperature. Think white balance on a digital camera.

Okay see thats what i originally thought... but damn it! too many people that know a lot about the wrong stuff. haha

[Hijakd]

Hey guys I am looking around for some advice with the installation of a hid kit in a 08 ninja. Now stock headlights on our bikes are set so one bulb is on for low and then the second one kicks in for high, what I want to do is have the two hids on for low beam then have both kick to high aswell. Can I just plug the two kits in with out any rewireing needed? Or will I have a problem trying to run low and high threw both bulbs? Novice here lol

[choneofakind]

Plenty of threads here about HID's. If you do HID's in the oem reflector housing, you get really bad glare. If you're going to do HID's, go the extra mile and install projectors to put the HID's behind. That way, they don't produce blinding glare for oncoming traffic. Plus, with the projectors installed, the lights flip from low beam to high beam instantly, instead of waiting for an HID bulb to warm up on your brights.

Here's one of the better write-ups on the projector installation:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...=DIY+projector

[Magz]

IMHO, just get some high quality halogen bulbs. They make bulbs that are higher temp and have that nice white color, if you're just looking for that high performance look.

P.S. Guys who know more about this than me, correct me if I'm wrong and these are just as bad/suck for some other reason.

[Bosgarage57]

I use the DDMtuning ones in my Rhino, they are bight. And cant beat the $50 to try it out.

[leed]

Originally Posted by Magz

IMHO, just get some high quality halogen bulbs. They make bulbs that are higher temp and have that nice white color, if you're just looking for that high performance look.

P.S. Guys who know more about this than me, correct me if I'm wrong and these are just as bad/suck for some other reason.

If you get something like the Sylvania Silverstar, they do have a increased output of light, at two costs. 1: Price, and 2: Bulb longevity. These bulbs burn out pretty quick, and cost a fortune as a result! They will, however, maintain conformation to our halogen reflectors, which any old HID drop in will not.

One thing to keep an eye out for: Anything tinted a certain color (yellow, blue, etc), these actually cut out a spectrum of light and will reduce your visibility when in use. They might look cool, but they are worthless.

Lastly, HID's can be dropped in, yes; they can be difficult to aim (though some manage), and often times they are not legal without the appropriate projector with a cutoff shield to aim them. Halogen projectors are not designed correctly either for Xenons, but tend to be safer than regular Halogen Reflectors. Look at the DIY's for projector retrofitting if you are interested in this route. It is costly, no doubt, but the difference in light output is phenomenal and worth the money in my opinion. I say this, because I did one myself.