asking the impossible...

[mgentz]

Dont waste time arguing. In the end people do what they want. If he crashes in a corner from improper techniques, he will simply blame the bike and then get a bigger one.

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

maybe ill tell that to the riders in my group with 1000 and 600 who wide steer from time to time. better let them know they should downgrade to a smaller bike..

This is gonna get good.

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by ForceofWill

It's not hard to learn how to just be able to RIDE a motorcycle. You wanna go from a point where you still run wide on a 250 to trying to control your SR's when **** hits the fan on a super sport. Plus you are already wanting to try and keep up with a group that run a pace much too fast for the street to begin with.

More power to ya.

defiantly wrong forum to talk about any bike bigger the a 250....

[mgentz]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

maybe ill tell that to the riders in my group with 1000 and 600 who wide steer from time to time. better let them know they should downgrade to a smaller bike..

Yes. And/or practice. Anyone can twist the throttle and go straight. Cornering, slow speeds and panic situations require skill.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

gear... helmet gmax, gloves alpinestar mx 2, jacket xelement textile, vest icon stryker. that's all go.
go I guess in your terms I have enough gear to cover up 5 outa my 10 tentacles.

your right im still rusty on my bicycle, still got the training wheels on.
as far as a motorcycle I feel pretty confident about being able to ride a 600.

I'm happy you're confident. But it's misguided.


You admitted to not being very good at countersteering or being able to keep the line you want. The ninja is the most forgiving bike on the road. If you don't even have the mastery to keep a 250 on the line you want, you need more seat time.

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

maybe ill tell that to the riders in my group with 1000 and 600 who wide steer from time to time. better let them know they should downgrade to a smaller bike..

don't worry, you don't have to inform them if you don't want to. Darwinism may take it's time but it doesn't fail easily. I may have an abnormally high requirement of skill before moving on to dedicated race machines like 600s/1000s but it makes sense, if you're making mistakes on any bike it'll hurt in the long run and if you make these mistakes more easily or more frequently being on a more forgiving bike is the way to go, isn't it?

I'm with alex.s invest in better gear and maybe some track time or something like that before moving on to a quicker bike.

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by mgentz

Yes. And/or practice. Anyone can twist the throttle and go straight. Cornering, slow speeds and panic situations require skill.

so by saying that at times I might take a corner to wide is saying I have no skill..

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

defiantly wrong forum to talk about any bike bigger the a 250....

No. This is the right forum. Your reasoning is what blows me away.

You can't even keep the line you want, and you want to go faster. You obviously cannot control what you have and you want more. This is what makes no sense. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I'm happy you're confident. But it's misguided.


You admitted to not being very good at countersteering or being able to keep the line you want. The ninja is the most forgiving bike on the road. If you don't even have the mastery to keep a 250 on the line you want, you need more seat time.

depends on how tight the corner is.. is where my counter steering isn't that good.

[mgentz]

I downgraded from a 600 to the 250. I know the differences.

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

No. This is the right forum. Your reasoning is what blows me away.

You can't even keep the line you want, and you want to go faster. You obviously cannot control what you have and you want more. This is what makes no sense. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

On the street too mind you Chris. Running wide, rides with group riding too fast that runs wide, wants to buy bigger bike to go FASTER and run wide. On coming traffic FTW.

[mgentz]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

depends on how tight the corner is.. is where my counter steering isn't that good.

Right here big boy. Why is it not that good? Why did you go into the corner so fast? Why cant you make corrections mid-turn? Etc....

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

so by saying that at times I might take a corner to wide is saying I have no skill..

Yes.

I've taken a corner wide and gone out of my lane twice. Ever. I realized I was out of my skill level and tamed it down. Then I rode a CBR600 long term and realized it was more than I was capable of handling and still learning on safely. Then I did track days and got a new respect for my bike. and I got a ton better as a rider. Now, I'm capable of physically not killing myself while riding a bigger bike on street. on a track could I? hell no.

but I still ride my 250 because I'm not capable of doing justice to a supersport.


If you're running wide and losing control, you need to slow down and do more learning. Period.

[xdnxp]

When you can ride like this, it's time for an upgrade.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKKkbnBtCw]

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by mgentz

Dont waste time arguing. In the end people do what they want. If he crashes in a corner from improper techniques, he will simply blame the bike and then get a bigger one.

sounds like a low blow to kid who died...

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

defiantly wrong forum to talk about any bike bigger the a 250....

false, we support larger bikes. It goes on a case by case basis though, generally speaking to be able to handle a 600 properly takes a bit more experience than you have at the moment. 3k miles is only beginning to scratch the surface of riding.

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by ForceofWill

On the street too mind you Chris. Running wide, rides with group riding too fast that runs wide, wants to buy bigger bike to go FASTER and run wide. On coming traffic FTW.

On the street too mind you Chris. Running wide, rides with group riding too fast that runs wide, wants to buy bigger bike to go FASTER and run wide(R). On coming traffic FTW

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by xdnxp

When you can ride like this, it's time for an upgrade.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKKkbnBtCw]

seeing you ride a 250... you cant ride like this either

[mgentz]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

sounds like a low blow to kid who died...

I know not of what you are saying. I only say this because that is what too many "people" do. Based on this thread you will do it too.

Im out.

[xdnxp]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

seeing you ride a 250... you cant ride like this either

That isn't me but what can you do (legally) on a 600 that you can't do on a 250?

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by xdnxp

That isn't me but what can you do (legally) on a 600 that you can't do on a 250?

nothing

[Josh_kcco]

Look I know im still in the "learning" part of motorcycles. I believe my week point in counter steering and sharp canyon cornering. standard sreet riding and freeway riding, heavy traffic city riding, I feel I have complete control over the bike. Maybe its just an issue of my being having the baby bike of the group/friends. maybe im jumping the gun on getting something cooler or faster. im not trying to fight here.

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

Look I know im still in the "learning" part of motorcycles. I believe my week point in counter steering and sharp canyon cornering. standard steel riding and freeway riding, heavy traffic city riding, I feel I have complete control over the bike. Maybe its just an issue of my being having the baby bike of the group/friends. maybe im jumping the gun on getting something cooler or faster. im not trying to fight here.

All my friends that I ride with have much more experience than me. One had a Duc 900SS and a new Panigale. Another has a MV F4, 999 and a RSV 4. I've never felt bad for having the small bike and they've never said anything other than they love my 250.

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by Josh_kcco

seeing you ride a 250... you cant ride like this either

you realize the guy in that video is riding a 250, and is on this forum. @rojoracing53

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by ForceofWill

All my friends that I ride with have much more experience than me. One had a Duc 900SS and a new Panigale. Another has a MV F4, 999 and a RSV 4. I've never felt bad for having the small bike and they've never said anything other than they love my 250.

It's all about who you ride with. Sounds like a good group

[alex.s]

hey josh, you don't know **** about riding. neither do i. accept that and move on.

[rasta]

...just...

Carry on.

[rojoracing53]

Say 'countersteering' again. Say 'countersteering' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say countersteering one more Goddamn time!

^this is an ongoing joke I have with street riders. I literally race professionally for 7 years all over the world and I had never heard the "C" word till my first group ride on the street. It about as important as breathing, you need to do it all the time but it's rarely something you need to think about.

Don't listen to everyone else on here they are simply a bunch of blind 250 loving whores. There's only but a handful of 600-1000 riders I can't keep up with on the street and that's only when the road starts heading uphill, your group isn't that fast I guarantee that. Everyone else is left asking if dropped an ex500 motor into my bike, that is after they finally catch back up. So aside from not being able to pull 3rd gear wheelies there's really nothing that can't be done on the 250.

But you shouldn't be concerned with what the bike can or can't do, because the fact is you simply lack the necessary skill to ride fast. But don't fret it is normal to suck at riding, I mean 95% of street riders suck at what they love to do most in the world when compared to someone like me. So now that you come to terms with your situation of suckage, you can change your stance and ask someone to trade bike with you because you simply want more HP to make up for your lack of skill.

Best of luck with your trade.

[rasta]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Say 'countersteering' again. Say 'countersteering' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say countersteering one more Goddamn time!

^this is an ongoing joke I have with street riders. I literally race professionally for 7 years all over the world and I had never heard the "C" word till my first group ride on the street. It about as important as breathing, you need to do it all the time but it's rarely something you need to think about.

Don't listen to everyone else on here they are simply a bunch of blind 250 loving whores. There's only but a handful of 600-1000 riders I can't keep up with on the street and that's only when the road starts heading uphill, your group isn't that fast I guarantee that. Everyone else is left asking if dropped an ex500 motor into my bike, that is after they finally catch back up. So aside from not being able to pull 3rd gear wheelies there's really nothing that can't be done on the 250.

But you shouldn't be concerned with what the bike can or can't do, because the fact is you simply lack the necessary skill to ride fast. But don't fret it is normal to suck at riding, I mean 95% of street riders suck at what they love to do most in the world when compared to someone like me. So now that you come to terms with your situation of suckage, you can change your stance and ask someone to trade bike with you because you simply want more HP to make up for your lack of skill.

Best of luck with your trade.

So many backhanded compliments in a single post, but it's an awesome post nonetheless

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Say 'countersteering' again. Say 'countersteering' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say countersteering one more Goddamn time!

^this is an ongoing joke I have with street riders. I literally race professionally for 7 years all over the world and I had never heard the "C" word till my first group ride on the street. It about as important as breathing, you need to do it all the time but it's rarely something you need to think about.

Don't listen to everyone else on here they are simply a bunch of blind 250 loving whores. There's only but a handful of 600-1000 riders I can't keep up with on the street and that's only when the road starts heading uphill, your group isn't that fast I guarantee that. Everyone else is left asking if dropped an ex500 motor into my bike, that is after they finally catch back up. So aside from not being able to pull 3rd gear wheelies there's really nothing that can't be done on the 250.

But you shouldn't be concerned with what the bike can or can't do, because the fact is you simply lack the necessary skill to ride fast. But don't fret it is normal to suck at riding, I mean 95% of street riders suck at what they love to do most in the world when compared to someone like me. So now that you come to terms with your situation of suckage, you can change your stance and ask someone to trade bike with you because you simply want more HP to make up for your lack of skill.

Best of luck with your trade.

LOL, new title.

[Tigerpaw]

[Sykes92]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Say 'countersteering' again. Say 'countersteering' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say countersteering one more Goddamn time!

^this is an ongoing joke I have with street riders. I literally race professionally for 7 years all over the world and I had never heard the "C" word till my first group ride on the street. It about as important as breathing, you need to do it all the time but it's rarely something you need to think about.

Don't listen to everyone else on here they are simply a bunch of blind 250 loving whores. There's only but a handful of 600-1000 riders I can't keep up with on the street and that's only when the road starts heading uphill, your group isn't that fast I guarantee that. Everyone else is left asking if dropped an ex500 motor into my bike, that is after they finally catch back up. So aside from not being able to pull 3rd gear wheelies there's really nothing that can't be done on the 250.

But you shouldn't be concerned with what the bike can or can't do, because the fact is you simply lack the necessary skill to ride fast. But don't fret it is normal to suck at riding, I mean 95% of street riders suck at what they love to do most in the world when compared to someone like me. So now that you come to terms with your situation of suckage, you can change your stance and ask someone to trade bike with you because you simply want more HP to make up for your lack of skill.

Best of luck with your trade.

Josh, you're still new buddy. You and I started riding almost the same time. And I know that I'm nowhere near ready to upgrade. More HP is just going to get me into trouble or an accident. Until the 250 feels like a toy you can throw around and wring its neck, you have not mastered it. Everything about your riding, your techniques, should be 2nd nature. You should not have to think about your countersteering or holding a solid line. I think one member said when you get bored with your 250, keep riding it until its so much fun you may regret wanting to get rid of it. Cause every rider I've seen or met who owns a larger bike and then either owns or rides their friends 250, says they're a blast. Almost akin to say, you riding your 250 and then immediately going to ride a 50cc Honda Ruckus.

Do what you want, its your choice, but I agree that you should spend more money on gear or maybe even maintenance rather than buy a 600cc.

Also 2 cents on insurance: If you buy a SS within the first 3 years of learning to ride, its a red flag to insurance companies and they will charge you to death on rates. My friend who was sooo excited to get his GSXR600 (after 5 months of riding a ninja 250, like you). He thought the insurance might be in the neighborhood of $500 or $600. Well you know what? He wasn't too far off, he got quoted for $700. Except here's the fun part: That was just liability. That didn't include collision (you crash your bike), comprehension (your bike gets stolen or damaged from anything that isn't a collision), any reasonable medical, insurance against uninsured drivers.

Do you know how much it bumped his insurance just to get collision and comprehension? It went from $700 to $2625. It would go up even more if he got any sort of decent medical coverage.

Everything about bigger bikes is expensive. Whether it is insurance, maintenance, or just the base cost of the bike. 250s are cheap (sorta)

[subxero]

I don't know what everyone is so grumpy about? Clearly you are feeling inadequate because what you have between your legs is smaller than what the other riders have between their legs and when the ruler comes out you come up short.

Is it wrong for you to seek out ways of enhancing what's between your legs? No! If you need a bigger weapon between your legs to feel like a big boy and impress other dudes then do it!! I'm all for it and behind you 100% "Go get 'em!!"
Who cares if you can't use 80% of that massive hog between your legs, that's not what matters. When some one asks, "hey, what are you packing?" You just whip that big bad boy out and say "feast on this!! If you're lucky maybe ill let you sit on it "

Now go trade that tinie weenie in for a big hunk of man meat and get out there and go show it off to all your dude biker friends. After all that's what riding in a group is all about, showing off your goods so all the other dudes can drool over it. Just remember when you still can't keep it up think of some new excuse but use that excuse to highlight how huge and badass your new toy is

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by subxero

I don't know what everyone is so grumpy about? Clearly you are feeling inadequate because what you have between your legs is smaller than what the other riders have between their legs and when the ruler comes out you come up short.

Is it wrong for you to seek out ways of enhancing what's between your legs? No! If you need a bigger weapon between your legs to feel like a big boy and impress other dudes then do it!! I'm all for it and behind you 100% "Go get 'em!!"
Who cares if you can't use 80% of that massive hog between your legs, that's not what matters. When some one asks, "hey, what are you packing?" You just whip that big bad boy out and say "feast on this!! If you're lucky maybe ill let you sit on it "

Now go trade that tinie weenie in for a big hunk of man meat and get out there and go show it off to all your dude biker friends. After all that's what riding in a group is all about, and when you still can't keep it up think of some new excuse but use that excuse to highlight how huge and badass your new toy is

[Josh_kcco]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Say 'countersteering' again. Say 'countersteering' again, I dare you, I double dare you mother****er, say countersteering one more Goddamn time!

^this is an ongoing joke I have with street riders. I literally race professionally for 7 years all over the world and I had never heard the "C" word till my first group ride on the street. It about as important as breathing, you need to do it all the time but it's rarely something you need to think about.

Don't listen to everyone else on here they are simply a bunch of blind 250 loving whores. There's only but a handful of 600-1000 riders I can't keep up with on the street and that's only when the road starts heading uphill, your group isn't that fast I guarantee that. Everyone else is left asking if dropped an ex500 motor into my bike, that is after they finally catch back up. So aside from not being able to pull 3rd gear wheelies there's really nothing that can't be done on the 250.

But you shouldn't be concerned with what the bike can or can't do, because the fact is you simply lack the necessary skill to ride fast. But don't fret it is normal to suck at riding, I mean 95% of street riders suck at what they love to do most in the world when compared to someone like me. So now that you come to terms with your situation of suckage, you can change your stance and ask someone to trade bike with you because you simply want more HP to make up for your lack of skill.

Best of luck with your trade.

on a side note, I think I go wide because I go to fast in to he turn and psych myself out not thinking I can do it.

Josh, you're still new buddy. You and I started riding almost the same time. And I know that I'm nowhere near ready to upgrade. More HP is just going to get me into trouble or an accident. Until the 250 feels like a toy you can throw around and wring its neck, you have not mastered it. Everything about your riding, your techniques, should be 2nd nature. You should not have to think about your countersteering or holding a solid line. I think one member said when you get bored with your 250, keep riding it until its so much fun you may regret wanting to get rid of it. Cause every rider I've seen or met who owns a larger bike and then either owns or rides their friends 250, says they're a blast. Almost akin to say, you riding your 250 and then immediately going to ride a 50cc Honda Ruckus.

Do what you want, its your choice, but I agree that you should spend more money on gear or maybe even maintenance rather than buy a 600cc.

Also 2 cents on insurance: If you buy a SS within the first 3 years of learning to ride, its a red flag to insurance companies and they will charge you to death on rates. My friend who was sooo excited to get his GSXR600 (after 5 months of riding a ninja 250, like you). He thought the insurance might be in the neighborhood of $500 or $600. Well you know what? He wasn't too far off, he got quoted for $700. Except here's the fun part: That was just liability. That didn't include collision (you crash your bike), comprehension (your bike gets stolen or damaged from anything that isn't a collision), any reasonable medical, insurance against uninsured drivers.

Do you know how much it bumped his insurance just to get collision and comprehension? It went from $700 to $2625. It would go up even more if he got any sort of decent medical coverage.

Everything about bigger bikes is expensive. Whether it is insurance, maintenance, or just the base cost of the bike. 250s are cheap (sorta)

hate admitting when people are right.

p.s.. countersteering.....

[KawiKid860]

Dude you're gonna get all sorts of opinions, go to a larger bike forum they're going to think a 600 is a great first bike and you're super ready for it. "They are more stable so they'll hold their line better so you won't go wide" is the kind of stupid **** you'll hear on a bigger bike forum too. Hell I had guys looking at my F4i when I was selling it for something "small and easy to ride" for their girlfriend. Dunno if you've noticed, but there are lots of used 600s on craigslist because some guy bought it for his girl and it scared the **** out of her. Here's the deal, with 3,000 miles/5 months you really shouldn't be looking at a supersport. If you want more power in something that's still fairly forgiving, look at a 500 or 650 class bike. But you're looking to cover up your skill deficiencies with more power... 600's aren't hard to ride, I loved my F4i and I "upgraded" to it after 1.5 years/15,000 miles on my 500 which taught me a lot. Not saying I could hit the limits of either bike though, but I feel I had the experience (not the maturity at first though..) to ride a 600. My first thought while test riding the CBR prior to buying it? "This is NOT a beginner bike." Sure a beginner can ride it, but within riding a couple hundred feet I could tell where they could make mistakes that wouldn't be such a big deal on a more forgiving bike. And that was an 01 F4i, newer bikes are even more powerful and aggressive. If you can't keep up on the twisties on a 250, you aren't ready for a bigger bike unless it's a cruiser and you're gonna give up trying to ride fast.

Or just get a supermoto, DRZ400SM is quicker (not faster) than a stock Ninja 300 and will outhandle most bikes through the twisties and will teach you to be a better rider better than a small sport bike, IMO. That's the route I'm going, I sold my F4i because a friend was selling his car that I wanted for a dang good price and I really needed four wheels of my own instead of borrowing my parents all the time, especially being up at college in an area with pretty bad winters where a bike wasn't any good anyways. BUT I'm planning on getting a WR250X, or DRZ400SM if I can't find a WR and I have no objection to going down in power. Of course I always have my 500 for two up and long distance and stuff too, I wouldn't recommend a sumo as an only bike.

[KawiKid860]

Excuse me for being a little blabbery today, I got my wisdoms out yesterday and am pretty doped up lol.

Good point on the expenses too, my CBR ate tires but I only put 5500 miles and a track day on it before selling it (had some mechanical issues that popped up after I bought it of course... so it spent half the summer not being ridden), and got like 39mpg average, my out of tune 500 get's like 55 still lol. And that's riding the piss out of it, two up, etc.

It was a fun bike for sure, and after my track day I was even more confident on it though still nowhere near it's limits. But it was fun for different reasons, it looked good, sounded even better, was bright red, it got attention, girls liked it, it could do 100 in under 7 seconds and pull power wheelies in 1st and 2nd, and on a big bump/hill at the track I was at it would wheelie over that in 3rd at 100-120mph. It was insane. Half that stuff though is useless on the street unless you want to die. My Ninja is fun because even being a 500 I can still get on it a bit around town and beat on it more without worrying about it biting me, I never went wot in 1st gear on my CBR because the front wheel would come off the ground most of the time, if not it'd just get really light. WOT in 1st is more or less harmless on my 500 but I still have an aversion to doing it because of the CBR. If you aren't comfortable enough on your 250 to keep your line on a twisty road while going slow, do you really want a bike that you're scared to go WOT on? Do a track day or a few, then you'll see how much your bike can really do.

[rasta]

I HIGHLY suggest getting an insurance quote first. For full coverage, a rider with your experience (lack thereof) can expect to pay a STUPID amount. Ain't no 23 year old with that kind of cash. Unless you'd be one of those morons with minimal coverage, in which case you wouldn't be nearly as responsible as you are trying to convince

[alex.s]

"psyching yourself out going in too fast" means you do not know what you are doing.

[xdnxp]

Look man, no disrespect meant by anyone here (I think). You're gonna end up doing what you want anyway regardless of what anyone here says. What all these kind people are trying to do is give you advice so you don't have to learn the hard way. You might get your 600 and be perfectly fine but you might not and as riders we just want for other rider to enjoy it and not kill themselves for superficial reasons.