Border Patrol Checks

backinthesaddleagain · September 20th, 2010, 01:11 PM

After my seeing the red/blue flashing lights on the Fish and Wildlife vehicle the other night it got me to remembering the Border Patrol stop (though totally unrelated). Driving south from Lincoln, N Hampshire on Rte 93 in the summer all cars were stopped by the Border Patrol. I guess these checkpoints operate within 150 miles of the border?? The crazy thing I thought was they look in the car ask if we are all citizens (it was my wife, my 2 children, and me). I answered yes, which we are and he said thank you have a good day. Supposedly that is a common spot in NH for that stop, though we go there a couple times a year and never came accross it before. Has anyone else got experience with those border stops?

zilaniz · September 20th, 2010, 01:26 PM

I use to live in Burlington, VT and would go snowboarding at Jay Peak a lot which is real close to the Canadian border and would go through those every now and then. All they ever did was ask if me and my buddies were citizens, never searched the car at all thank god

backinthesaddleagain · September 20th, 2010, 01:29 PM

^^ never searched car - lol

HKr1 · September 20th, 2010, 01:47 PM

Couple places out in San Diego, going north I-5 and one out on I-8. They never bugged us thou.. Almost ran into a couple of them with the bike on old Hwy 94 out by the Tecate exit. One was making a U-turn in the midddle of the road as I came up over a hill, other was standing in a corner..... he jumped outta the way as we almost hit him

Be a nice job I think

fernieh07 · September 20th, 2010, 02:34 PM

Here in Arizona they actually ask for ur passport... I have been searched several times. One time me and two other friends got stopped for a couple of hours while they searched the car cuz they said the dog found something even though the dog was like 30ft away, they also took our drivers license and did a background check... at the end they found nothing... maybe its cuz we are mexican lol

Blackwidow · September 20th, 2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fernieh07

... maybe its cuz we are mexican lol

uhhhh...ya! duh! lol

Its pretty sad though, I've always felt that these border patrol thing is a bunch of CRAP. Seriously, who is the government to tell me where I can live, if I wanted to go live in the netherlands, why can't I? Why do i have to go through some system to be able to live in a different country, and even if I do go through all the hassle they put me through, they still have the right to deny me. such BS!!!! Its all those freaking drug dealers that ruin it for the good people that just want to live their life a different way at some point in time in their lives.

CZroe · September 20th, 2010, 03:17 PM

Passed a few on my way out to San Diego from GA while riding my 250. The dogs are trained to bark and scratch at every third car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

uhhhh...ya! duh! lol

Its pretty sad though, I've always felt that these border patrol thing is a bunch of CRAP. Seriously, who is the government to tell me where I can live, if I wanted to go live in the netherlands, why can't I? Why do i have to go through some system to be able to live in a different country, and even if I do go through all the hassle they put me through, they still have the right to deny me. such BS!!!! Its all those freaking drug dealers that ruin it for the good people that just want to live their life a different way at some point in time in their lives.

Are you serious? Being a citizen of any country grants certain rights that can't just be given to anyone and they can't police a country if they don't even know who's there.

Blackwidow · September 20th, 2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

Are you serious? Being a citizen of any country grants certain rights that can't just be given to anyone and they can't police a country if they don't even know who's there.

yes i am being serious, but at the same time i'm day dreaming of the perfect world of allowing any HUMAN BEING to live on any land of their choice...but i understand that something like that would NEVER happen.

BlueRaven · September 20th, 2010, 05:54 PM

I went through one close to Bangor, Maine a few weeks ago. Made me very nervous as i've never been through one before and the last driver for our company got a fine a couple of days before. There were many and one with a dog which they had every vehicle sniffed. When it was my turn the young officer turned his head to see little old me in the big rig and presented himself with a big smile. Asked if i was a Canadian citizen and asked to see my passport then sent me off my way without having the dog sniff my vehicle. Officers with guns makes me nervous, i was thankful this was a pleasant check point.

Rosie · September 20th, 2010, 07:52 PM

I went through them several times here in San Diego, on Hwy 5 and 15. They normally just wave me through.. never been pulled over or questioned once.

Bleak21 · September 21st, 2010, 05:35 AM

I once took an amtrak train into Montreal. Supposedly it's known for all the wrong things: drug-running, bail-skipping, illegal immigration, the works. Long story short, the train was more than a little more empty after US (AND CANADIAN) border patrol questioned/frisked us (if suspect).

I actually got questioned one-way but had a pleasant conversation with the guard about visiting NYC instead.

FrugalNinja250 · September 21st, 2010, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducducgooseit

dogs are more reliable than people. dogs do not lie.

But the dog is only one part of the equation. The handlers are people, human beings, and humans have a proven track record of lying. Even police have a well-established history of lying when it suits them, and in fact, under many circumstances they are allowed and even encouraged to lie in order to extract confessions (whether real or not) from citizens.

This is the absolute indisputable truth.

CC Cowboy · September 21st, 2010, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

This is the absolute indisputable truth.

Are you lying?

FrugalNinja250 · September 21st, 2010, 10:26 AM

Nope:

http://www.criminalattorney.com/blog...an-lie-to-you/

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-interrogation

There's more, just google police and lying.

It's safe to assume that the only place you can be sure an officer isn't lying is in the courtroom, under oath, though even that's not always a guarantee.

M · September 21st, 2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

But the dog is only one part of the equation. The handlers are people, human beings, and humans have a proven track record of lying. Even police have a well-established history of lying when it suits them, and in fact, under many circumstances they are allowed and even encouraged to lie in order to extract confessions (whether real or not) from citizens.

This is the absolute indisputable truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

Nope:

http://www.criminalattorney.com/blog...an-lie-to-you/

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-interrogation

There's more, just google police and lying.

It's safe to assume that the only place you can be sure an officer isn't lying is in the courtroom, under oath, though even that's not always a guarantee.

Wow, painting an entire profession as liars, with one wide stroke?

Of course, your two links above aren't in any way biased, are they?

FrugalNinja250 · September 21st, 2010, 12:48 PM

Both links cite various appellate and SCOTUS cases to back up their statements and conclusions. Feel free to follow up on the cites, or not. It's your choice. I can show you the information, but I can't understand it for you.

Just to add, if enough members of any identifiable group act in a particular manner on a consistent basis, it's only a matter of time before all members of that group are identified with that manner of behavior, right or wrong. That's just the way it is. The more intense the behavior is the smaller percentage is required to define the group, hence over a billion people in the world have the reputation of being terrorists just because of the actions of a tiny percentage of them (certainly less than one tenth of one percent).

For decades the LEO profession has been earning a broad-based reputation for being a haven for bullies and other maloprops seeking power and a venue to abuse others, of which lying and prevarication are but the mildest. The entire industry, and I use that term in it's most literal sense, seems to be designed more for revenue extraction and procedural prosecution/incarceration than for finding truth and justice. Look at the number of innocent people exonerated from death row, for instance. Many were put there because of lying by both LEOs and prosecutors. The justice project responsible for most of those exonerations only looks at capital cases, not more run of the mill stuff. It's easy to realize that putting innocent people in prison is far more widespread than most people would like to believe.

Look at Tulia, Texas, who's lying undercover officer arrested, prosecuted, and in many cases incarcerated for crimes they didn't commit almost 50 people, 40 of whom were black. 1 out of 3 black males in the entire town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulia,_Texas. Innocent is innocent, period. Look at the Dallas undercover operation that used fake drugs to arreste, jail, fine, and/or deport almost 40 Hispanics: http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/27/page03.html.

How about the recent beating of a motorcyclist by several Dallas cops, discussed within the last few days here?

It goes on and on, and people look the other way because they don't want to take these thugs in blue off their pedestal. Sure there are good and honorable LEOs out there, but why do even they let their fellow officers get away with, sometimes literally, murder? Is a good cop who looks the other way from bad cops still a good cop? Many say yes, I say no.

The reputation you have is the reputation you earn. If the LEO industry wants a good reputation, they're going to have to get off their asses and earn it the way everyone else does.

September 20th, 2010, 01:11 PM	#1
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Border Patrol Checks After my seeing the red/blue flashing lights on the Fish and Wildlife vehicle the other night it got me to remembering the Border Patrol stop (though totally unrelated). Driving south from Lincoln, N Hampshire on Rte 93 in the summer all cars were stopped by the Border Patrol. I guess these checkpoints operate within 150 miles of the border?? The crazy thing I thought was they look in the car ask if we are all citizens (it was my wife, my 2 children, and me). I answered yes, which we are and he said thank you have a good day. Supposedly that is a common spot in NH for that stop, though we go there a couple times a year and never came accross it before. Has anyone else got experience with those border stops?

September 20th, 2010, 05:54 PM	#9
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	I went through one close to Bangor, Maine a few weeks ago. Made me very nervous as i've never been through one before and the last driver for our company got a fine a couple of days before. There were many and one with a dog which they had every vehicle sniffed. When it was my turn the young officer turned his head to see little old me in the big rig and presented himself with a big smile. Asked if i was a Canadian citizen and asked to see my passport then sent me off my way without having the dog sniff my vehicle. Officers with guns makes me nervous, i was thankful this was a pleasant check point. __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

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September 20th, 2010, 01:26 PM	#2
zilaniz ninjette.org member Name: Jeff Location: PA Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 08 R6 Posts: 224	I use to live in Burlington, VT and would go snowboarding at Jay Peak a lot which is real close to the Canadian border and would go through those every now and then. All they ever did was ask if me and my buddies were citizens, never searched the car at all thank god

September 20th, 2010, 01:29 PM	#3
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	^^ never searched car - lol

September 20th, 2010, 01:47 PM	#4
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	Couple places out in San Diego, going north I-5 and one out on I-8. They never bugged us thou.. Almost ran into a couple of them with the bike on old Hwy 94 out by the Tecate exit. One was making a U-turn in the midddle of the road as I came up over a hill, other was standing in a corner..... he jumped outta the way as we almost hit him Be a nice job I think

September 20th, 2010, 02:34 PM	#5
fernieh07 ninjette.org member Name: Fernando Location: Tolleson, az Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 ninja 250r Posts: 24	Here in Arizona they actually ask for ur passport... I have been searched several times. One time me and two other friends got stopped for a couple of hours while they searched the car cuz they said the dog found something even though the dog was like 30ft away, they also took our drivers license and did a background check... at the end they found nothing... maybe its cuz we are mexican lol

September 20th, 2010, 07:52 PM	#10
Rosie ninjette.org sage Name: Rose Location: San Diego Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Blue Ninja 250R Posts: 650	I went through them several times here in San Diego, on Hwy 5 and 15. They normally just wave me through.. never been pulled over or questioned once.

September 21st, 2010, 05:35 AM	#11
Bleak21 ninjette.org member Name: Dan Location: JerZ Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 05 Ninjette Posts: 131	I once took an amtrak train into Montreal. Supposedly it's known for all the wrong things: drug-running, bail-skipping, illegal immigration, the works. Long story short, the train was more than a little more empty after US (AND CANADIAN) border patrol questioned/frisked us (if suspect). I actually got questioned one-way but had a pleasant conversation with the guard about visiting NYC instead.

September 21st, 2010, 10:26 AM	#14
FrugalNinja250 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Frugal Location: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Several Posts: A lot.	Nope: http://www.criminalattorney.com/blog...an-lie-to-you/ http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-interrogation There's more, just google police and lying. It's safe to assume that the only place you can be sure an officer isn't lying is in the courtroom, under oath, though even that's not always a guarantee.

September 21st, 2010, 12:48 PM	#16
FrugalNinja250 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Frugal Location: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Several Posts: A lot.	Both links cite various appellate and SCOTUS cases to back up their statements and conclusions. Feel free to follow up on the cites, or not. It's your choice. I can show you the information, but I can't understand it for you. Just to add, if enough members of any identifiable group act in a particular manner on a consistent basis, it's only a matter of time before all members of that group are identified with that manner of behavior, right or wrong. That's just the way it is. The more intense the behavior is the smaller percentage is required to define the group, hence over a billion people in the world have the reputation of being terrorists just because of the actions of a tiny percentage of them (certainly less than one tenth of one percent). For decades the LEO profession has been earning a broad-based reputation for being a haven for bullies and other maloprops seeking power and a venue to abuse others, of which lying and prevarication are but the mildest. The entire industry, and I use that term in it's most literal sense, seems to be designed more for revenue extraction and procedural prosecution/incarceration than for finding truth and justice. Look at the number of innocent people exonerated from death row, for instance. Many were put there because of lying by both LEOs and prosecutors. The justice project responsible for most of those exonerations only looks at capital cases, not more run of the mill stuff. It's easy to realize that putting innocent people in prison is far more widespread than most people would like to believe. Look at Tulia, Texas, who's lying undercover officer arrested, prosecuted, and in many cases incarcerated for crimes they didn't commit almost 50 people, 40 of whom were black. 1 out of 3 black males in the entire town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulia,_Texas. Innocent is innocent, period. Look at the Dallas undercover operation that used fake drugs to arreste, jail, fine, and/or deport almost 40 Hispanics: http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/27/page03.html. How about the recent beating of a motorcyclist by several Dallas cops, discussed within the last few days here? It goes on and on, and people look the other way because they don't want to take these thugs in blue off their pedestal. Sure there are good and honorable LEOs out there, but why do even they let their fellow officers get away with, sometimes literally, murder? Is a good cop who looks the other way from bad cops still a good cop? Many say yes, I say no. The reputation you have is the reputation you earn. If the LEO industry wants a good reputation, they're going to have to get off their asses and earn it the way everyone else does.