Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[Magicride]

Got my ninja 300!!!! Wooooooot!! The thing is freaking amazing!! Noob rider and stalled a bunch getting off the lot and at red lights, but I did better the closer I got to home and I will continue to get better! Absolutely going to take the MSF SOON!

Originally Posted by algs26

Did the costco website return that dealer's name after you entered all the info?

The site, no. BUT they did show me the updated list and it was not on there, same with the 250. Also, they did call other close dealers and they said the same thing. They also called the local Costco and the rep to find out and they both said its been pulled as well. So like @Alex said, just over 6k OTD.

[algs26]

If the Costco website didn't return any dealers at all then I might believe the dealer.
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[DaveTheCanuck]

Originally Posted by Boom King

Congrats Send me a PM if you ever want to go riding. I'm in Peel Region.

Originally Posted by Rekognize

I also just placed a deposit for a black ABS. We should ride in the spring

Halton here. GTA 300 riders unite

When are you expecting yours in, Rekognize?

Originally Posted by Kstorm21

I like the Moondust gray one....I think I'm the only one that does.

I like it too, I just didn't want to wait for it or pay the $700 premium for it lol

[Rekognize]

Originally Posted by DaveTheCanuck

Halton here. GTA 300 riders unite

When are you expecting yours in, Rekognize?

My dealer said he might receive some late October but I decided I'll take delivery early April since I rather not start my insurance policy now and have to winterize the bike.

I'm a new rider, is there a 250/300 group ride in the GTA?

[DaveTheCanuck]

Originally Posted by Rekognize

My dealer said he might receive some late October but I decided I'll take delivery early April since I rather not start my insurance policy now and have to winterize the bike.

I'm a new rider, is there a 250/300 group ride in the GTA?

The only 250 group I know of is on GTAM, but it looks like you already found that one :P

[Boom King]

I'll be on my 250 but it's good to see that I'll have a couple of local riders with me that will be kind enough to let me try out their brand new Ninja 300s

[NickNYC]

Originally Posted by Boom King

So if you can't decide on which new colour scheme you like for the 300, why not go for a bike that has all of them? :


A Canadian review of the 300 is up. I think it does a good job of comparing the new 300 to both the previous 250 and the Honda CBR250R. Interesting notes on how the 300 feels bigger than the previous 250 Ninja, a common theme in most reviews, but this is the first time I've heard it mentioned that it also feels wider between the knees. They also mention that the ABS model will not be available in Canada until 2013.

@Alex Feel free to add this review to the 300 review sticky

Oh wow..thanks for the pic.
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[Kstorm21]

The dealership here in Hawaii just called me. Said, "I only have the White right now but it has ABS. It's the most expensive one. So it's $5400 and after all the fees it'll be $7400 OTD." The whole time I was thinking...the white doesn't come with ABS. I even asked him about it. He said well, I'm not 100% but the sticker price says $5400 so I'm assuming so. I still don't think he knows what he was talking about. I'm also still strongly debating having one shipped from the mainland. Shipping a bike here would be about $1000...still a lot cheaper!

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by Boom King

I just noticed how they put the rear stand on backward.... presumably so it isn't tripped over.

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by Kstorm21

The dealership here in Hawaii just called me. Said, "I only have the White right now but it has ABS. It's the most expensive one. So it's $5400 and after all the fees it'll be $7400 OTD." The whole time I was thinking...the white doesn't come with ABS. I even asked him about it. He said well, I'm not 100% but the sticker price says $5400 so I'm assuming so. I still don't think he knows what he was talking about. I'm also still strongly debating having one shipped from the mainland. Shipping a bike here would be about $1000...still a lot cheaper!

Did you take into account the taxes and the tag you will have to pay once you register it too? Make sure you look at the whole picture

[Kstorm21]

Originally Posted by GreenNinja

Did you take into account the taxes and the tag you will have to pay once you register it too? Make sure you look at the whole picture

Do you mean if I were to buy it on the mainland? I'm assuming the OTD would include that. I would just keep it registered in whatever state I would buy it. That's the good thing about being part of the military.

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by Kstorm21

Do you mean if I were to buy it on the mainland? I'm assuming the OTD would include that. I would just keep it registered in whatever state I would buy it. That's the good thing about being part of the military.

OTD does not include any of that if you are from another state. You will end up paying the taxes when you get the bike registered.

[Kstorm21]

Not sure if that's totally true. I'm not a resident of Hawaii but OTD includes all tags at $7400.

[GreenNinja]

Originally Posted by Kstorm21

Not sure if that's totally true. I'm not a resident of Hawaii but OTD includes all tags at $7400.

That is probably because they assumed you were living in HI. It is an island so it doesn't make sense for someone to go to HI and buy a bike and bring it back to the mainland. I live on the border of SC and GA so when I call the dealerships they always ask which state I live in. For instance when I called the dealerships in SC, they gave me just the MSRP + freight charges because they can't charge me taxes on a state I don't live in.

[NickNYC]

Just saw a blue one on 96th St..the rear tire is huge..
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[Kstorm21]

You sure it wasn't a larger bike?

[NickNYC]

Lol...compared to the 250.
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[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by NickNYC

Just saw a blue one on 96th St..the rear tire is huge..
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Its probably not a ninja 300 if its blue.

[geeker]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Its probably not a ninja 300 if its blue.

Maybe a 650?

[n4mwd]

They look a little similar:

Ninja 300


Ninja ZX-6R

[geeker]

2013 650

[fordendk]

Just in case anyone doesn't know this... Kawasaki went to market in Indonesia first with the new 2013 Ninja 250 with FI. The used some bullshit leaked cover story that they wanted to get to market in Indonesia first because it is the biggest market worldwide. This is complete crap. What they did was take the Ninja 300 which was being manufactured for US and Europe and sleeved the engine down from 300cc to a gutless 249cc. The result is a sluggish bike that is way worse than the carb 250r ever was because they have a bike designed for a 39hp engine with a kludgy sleeved 249cc workaround that has less HP than the carb 250 version and a much heavier bike etc.. They simply designed it that way to get around the tax laws in Indonesia and get to market before they release the 300 avoiding consumer confusion and keeping their sales up. This really turns me off Kawasaki. I'm keeping my carb 250r here because the FI bikes suck ass big time. I have tried riding one with a PowerCommander and aftermarket exhaust etc. and still very gutless. Everyone I have talked to here says that they are gutless and they can't do anything except maybe re-sleeve the engine to 300cc when an aftermarket kit is available at a reasonable price. **** you Kawasaki. My next bike will be an R6 Yamaha.

[Alex]

What are the bore/stroke dimensions of the 2013 250 in Indonesia? The way Kawi raised the displacement on the 300 was keeping the bore the same, and just lengthening the stroke a bit with a new crankshaft. Seems like it would be even more expensive to sleeve that back down.

[lgk]

@fordendk

i figured they reuse the old engine, instead of redoing the new one.

are you saying the tuned EFI bikes are gutless?

[Byakkotai]

Maybe resident motorcycle blogger @taufik-tmcblog could confirm the "sleeve down" of the engine in Indonesia? What other countries kept the 250? Japan, Malaysia, Thailand?...

In retrospect...the 300 should have been made for everybody (regulations aside)

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by fordendk

Just in case anyone doesn't know this... Kawasaki went to market in Indonesia first with the new 2013 Ninja 250 with FI. The used some bullshit leaked cover story that they wanted to get to market in Indonesia first because it is the biggest market worldwide. This is complete crap. What they did was take the Ninja 300 which was being manufactured for US and Europe and sleeved the engine down from 300cc to a gutless 249cc. The result is a sluggish bike that is way worse than the carb 250r ever was because they have a bike designed for a 39hp engine with a kludgy sleeved 249cc workaround that has less HP than the carb 250 version and a much heavier bike etc.. They simply designed it that way to get around the tax laws in Indonesia and get to market before they release the 300 avoiding consumer confusion and keeping their sales up. This really turns me off Kawasaki. I'm keeping my carb 250r here because the FI bikes suck ass big time. I have tried riding one with a PowerCommander and aftermarket exhaust etc. and still very gutless. Everyone I have talked to here says that they are gutless and they can't do anything except maybe re-sleeve the engine to 300cc when an aftermarket kit is available at a reasonable price. **** you Kawasaki. My next bike will be an R6 Yamaha.

I guarantee it's not sleeved down and you should be pissed at your government and their stupid laws, would you really want to pay $14000 for a ninja 300?

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by fordendk

Just in case anyone doesn't know this... Kawasaki went to market in Indonesia first with the new 2013 Ninja 250 with FI. The used some bullshit leaked cover story that they wanted to get to market in Indonesia first because it is the biggest market worldwide. This is complete crap. What they did was take the Ninja 300 which was being manufactured for US and Europe and sleeved the engine down from 300cc to a gutless 249cc. The result is a sluggish bike that is way worse than the carb 250r ever was because they have a bike designed for a 39hp engine with a kludgy sleeved 249cc workaround that has less HP than the carb 250 version and a much heavier bike etc.. They simply designed it that way to get around the tax laws in Indonesia and get to market before they release the 300 avoiding consumer confusion and keeping their sales up. This really turns me off Kawasaki. I'm keeping my carb 250r here because the FI bikes suck ass big time. I have tried riding one with a PowerCommander and aftermarket exhaust etc. and still very gutless. Everyone I have talked to here says that they are gutless and they can't do anything except maybe re-sleeve the engine to 300cc when an aftermarket kit is available at a reasonable price. **** you Kawasaki. My next bike will be an R6 Yamaha.

You don't ring true, you seem to be forming an opinion on hearsay based on sleeving the engine, when the opinion here is that they don't sleeve they increased the stroke, and I can't see a kludged engine to be benificial to kawasaki in the long run, they rely on numbers sold, year after year, people in the bike community in asia talk, and if they plan to go another four years before a refresh they would loose significant sales from people saying. "the 2013 ninja 250 fi is slower than the honda 250, get the honda 250" and the bike is designed to nab sales back off competitors, so why would they make it slower than the old bike unless it's a massive **** up.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I guarantee it's not sleeved down and you should be pissed at your government and their stupid laws, would you really want to pay $14000 for a ninja 300?

I like their tax system for big bikes, it's to say, "hey, less than (X)hp is all you need in a bike, anything larger we won't stop you from having, but it is a luxury good, and should be taxed as such" and why not add a levy on luxury items? It works both ways, food and mandatory protective gear and tax free here, so I pay no tax on motorcycle helmets and bread and milk.

I've come to realise that the only people that seem to have a problem with it are people not affected by it getting outraged, including myself at one point.

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

You don't ring true, you seem to be forming an opinion on hearsay based on sleeving the engine, when the opinion here is that they don't sleeve they increased the stroke, and I can't see a kludged engine to be benificial to kawasaki in the long run, they rely on numbers sold, year after year, people in the bike community in asia talk, and if they plan to go another four years before a refresh they would loose significant sales from people saying. "the 2013 ninja 250 fi is slower than the honda 250, get the honda 250" and the bike is designed to nab sales back off competitors, so why would they make it slower than the old bike unless it's a massive **** up.

Josh, how can you say David is not true?
He's living there and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about.
Please read here: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...nja-250r-leak/ or here: http://tmcblog.com/2012/08/01/welcom...ki-ninja-250r/
The new 250 engine must be different to the old one, the cr is lower and the hp is less and at least the bike is heavier.
One thing you should know also if you want more power in the CBR250 in US (Europe I don't know) then take the ecu from Thailand.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by Somchai

Josh, how can you say David is not true?
He's living there and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about.
Please read here: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...nja-250r-leak/ or here: http://tmcblog.com/2012/08/01/welcom...ki-ninja-250r/
The new 250 engine must be different to the old one, the cr is lower and the hp is less and at least the bike is heavier.
One thing you should know also if you want more power in the CBR250 in US (Europe I don't know) then take the ecu from Thailand.

I didn't say he was untrue so much that he doesn't ring true, his evidence seems dubious and not enough to draw a conclusion based upon.

Because the figures published show increased power with a slight dip at the very top end, and with a power commander and after market exhaust "etc" you would expect a boost and he claims their is little to none, I also can't imagine the malaysian police force buying 100's of them if they are so guttles, especially since they strap so much gear to them you would expect that to leave them unridable.

Too add to that all the other reviews of the 2013 ninja 250 seem to be favorable to its contemporary, and his low post count, and opinions on fatter tyres being much better for the ninja than thin "cheese cutters", and obcessive post counts on how yoshimura carbs are amazing despite most people saying otherwise to the point where he renounces working for yoshimura, doesn't add much to credulity.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I guarantee it's not sleeved down and you should be pissed at your government and their stupid laws, would you really want to pay $14000 for a ninja 300?

other than stop people from buying bikes, not sure what it does.
high tax because its a luxury good? i would like to see the reason why.

at first i thinking maybe they do it to subsidize road repair, but seems counter intuitive since motorcycle don't really cause much wear to the road surface, and most people wouldn't pay for it.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

I like their tax system for big bikes, it's to say, "hey, less than (X)hp is all you need in a bike, anything larger we won't stop you from having, but it is a luxury good, and should be taxed as such" and why not add a levy on luxury items? It works both ways, food and mandatory protective gear and tax free here, so I pay no tax on motorcycle helmets and bread and milk.

I've come to realise that the only people that seem to have a problem with it are people not affected by it getting outraged, including myself at one point.

You like that if you ever want to ride a different bike it will cost twice as much? You like that??? You also don't need a house over 800 sq. ft. So let's tax that too.

It's really just a moronic philosophy created by fools. A tiered license system is superior and that still sucks too.

[Joshorilla]

Originally Posted by lgk

other than stop people from buying bikes, not sure what it does.
high tax because its a luxury good? i would like to see the reason why.

at first i thinking maybe they do it to subsidize road repair, but seems counter intuitive since motorcycle don't really cause much wear to the road surface, and most people wouldn't pay for it.

It's the same reason why most goverments tax alcohol, perfume and cigarettes, they perceive big bikes as more dangerous, and not a neccisity "a luxury good in economic terms", nobody is saying they can't have a big bike, you just have to pay for the privilage.

My insurance (mandatory) would go up by 100% if I wanted a 600cc and 500% for a 1000cc

Why? Because you're more likely to kill yourself or others or destroy the bike, thats the reason people get 250cc bikes in the west typically.

Plus the demand historically for big bikes in the east with the division of wealth would have meant the demand would have been small and inelastic so why not levy a huge tax?

So yeah it's not a bad idea to make the consumer pay.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

It's the same reason why most goverments tax alcohol, perfume and cigarettes, they perceive big bikes as more dangerous, and not a neccisity "a luxury good in economic terms", nobody is saying they can't have a big bike, you just have to pay for the privilage.

My insurance (mandatory) would go up by 100% if I wanted a 600cc and 500% for a 1000cc

if the luxury tax was 10%, i could kind of understand, but 50-150% seems ridiculous to me.

imagine buying a computer, and having to pay $800 of tax on top of $1200 of hardware, or Caterham r500 for $60k and them getting charged $30k taxes. in this case you pay $6000 for a ninja 300 and then get charged $4000 in taxes. for 50ccs.

might be OK for many people, but it is wrong to me on several levels.

insurance is totally different matter, though.
the purpose of insurance is clear and those fees take into account all types of risks(repairs, litigation, injury, etc.). it provides protection on several different levels,(care, physical, legal).

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

Why? Because you're more likely to kill yourself or others or destroy the bike, thats the reason people get 250cc bikes in the west typically.

Plus the demand historically for big bikes in the east with the division of wealth would have meant the demand would have been small and inelastic so why not levy a huge tax?

it true that most rich eastern people i have met drive cars, the poor drive scooters or ride bikes. i think the taxes are part of the problem, in that there really is no middle ground...

seems like the only success of the tax is that it eliminates an entire market segment nicer bikes. not necessarily faster and more dangerous ones.

if there is never a demand then why tax it and decrease demand further?
this tax system is a foreign concept to me.

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

So yeah it's not a bad idea to make the consumer pay.

i just look at it differently i suppose. a 10% sales tax would have been sufficient and the govt would have collected a lot more revenue, and they could have made a lot more in sales.

and then everyone would be happier riding an r6 after crashing a 250

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Joshorilla

It's the same reason why most goverments tax alcohol, perfume and cigarettes, they perceive big bikes as more dangerous, and not a neccisity "a luxury good in economic terms", nobody is saying they can't have a big bike, you just have to pay for the privilage.

My insurance (mandatory) would go up by 100% if I wanted a 600cc and 500% for a 1000cc

Why? Because you're more likely to kill yourself or others or destroy the bike, thats the reason people get 250cc bikes in the west typically.

Plus the demand historically for big bikes in the east with the division of wealth would have meant the demand would have been small and inelastic so why not levy a huge tax?

So yeah it's not a bad idea to make the consumer pay.

You realize there are different bikes for different purposes yes? Your little 250 is no good for carrying a passenger or long distance rides. There are many more aspects to a bike than simply the CCs of the engine an that is what is so fail about that tax. Imagine being taxed 100% on any car over 1.6L. You really don't need anything bigger, hauling and towing, why that's a luxury my friend, a luxury you must pay double for.

[Somchai]

@Joshorilla

You said: 'Because the figures published show increased power with a slight dip at the very top end, and with a power commander and after market exhaust "etc" you would expect a boost and he claims their is little to none, I also can't imagine the malaysian police force buying 100's of them if they are so guttles, especially since they strap so much gear to them you would expect that to leave them unridable.

Too add to that all the other reviews of the 2013 ninja 250 seem to be favorable to its contemporary, and his low post count,...'


I didn't want to respond anymore, but this I want to say at least.

Do you think that the number of responses or posts reflects the knowledge?
No, because the quantity NEVER beats the quality.

What actually happened to your project? I see no more reaction. http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120167

And finally, if a big company settles in a country, then it also expects financial support of the same and that is the purchase of motorcycles for the police (which is called big business or politics).