Octane, Money and You??? What do you run in your 250 and why? - Page 12

ProdigyRacingLA · March 4th, 2012, 08:01 PM

When I first got the bike, used regular unleaded gasoline. After that been using premium gasoline. Top of the line chevron.
Which do you recommend or use?

Thnx for reading!

nickjpass · March 4th, 2012, 08:01 PM

Manual says to use 87 octane 91 RON.

ProdigyRacingLA · March 4th, 2012, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Manual says to use 87 octane 91 RON.

Thnx bro!
Now to check and see if I've been damaging the engine with different gasoline's. xD

MikeBudd · March 4th, 2012, 08:05 PM

Very debated topic. There was a video floating around that explained octane's and showed why you should use the manufacturer recommended which for the 250's is 87 or 91 ron

As long as your engine is not pinging, you should be fine :O

ProdigyRacingLA · March 4th, 2012, 08:15 PM

Just checked and ive been pumping the correct gasoline. It's premium 91.
Getting better mileage and performance out of higher octane gasoline.

The first time I pumped it, my buddy said I had a little backfire come out of the exhaust. That I shouldn't be worries due to the gasoline I pumped that caused it. Runs just fine, 4 months strong ridden daily.

Alex · March 4th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProdigyRacingLA

Just checked and ive been pumping the correct gasoline. It's premium 91.
Getting better mileage and performance out of higher octane gasoline.

No. All gen's of the ninja 250 are spec'd for 87 fuel.

/merged with main octane thread

MikeBudd · March 4th, 2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

No. All gen's of the ninja 250 are spec'd for 87 fuel.

/merged with main octane thread

What he said^

I told you in my above post (so did nick)... Its 91 RON. 87 Octane.

ProdigyRacingLA · March 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM

Well thanks guys, ill be sure to make the switch to 87.
Hopefully no major damage has been done :/
Sorry for the confusion

MikeBudd · March 4th, 2012, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProdigyRacingLA

Well thanks guys, ill be sure to make the switch to 87.
Hopefully no major damage has been done :/
Sorry for the confusion

Shouldn't have done any major damage. (don't quote me on that

)

Alex · March 4th, 2012, 08:30 PM

Nothing to worry about. The only thing running 91 will hurt is your wallet, there's just no benefit to it on these bikes.

nickjpass · March 4th, 2012, 08:46 PM

Higher octanes are for higher compression engines (not necessarily however). Some cars use 110, but that's race fuel. A common misconception is that the fuel is cleaner, however, there isn't a big difference in that. By using a higher octane, your wasting a small amount of money each time you fill up, since that gas won't be used. The higher the octane number, the more compression the fuel can withstand before detonating. I think I wrote that correctly.

Alex · March 4th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Because it needed to be said again in this thread?

nickjpass · March 4th, 2012, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Because it needed to be said again in this thread?

Sorry.

PsHYk · June 21st, 2012, 05:20 PM

i think this is tech talk but if its not i apologize and should be moved where it should...
ok so i was wondering what octane fuel you guys use in your bike and why?
well why other than prices i use the 91 or whatever it is the most expensive one but i read somewhere...ill try to find again here in a bit...that on bikes its better to use lower octane fuel than higher octane fuel so i thought i would ask you guys...also if its better to use the lower is it bad to use the higher and vice versa? i know its probably not too much difference but again...just thought id ask...

xSean13 · June 21st, 2012, 05:21 PM

87, non-ethanol. I believe the owner's manual recommends 87.

PsHYk · June 21st, 2012, 05:22 PM

Quote:

87, non-ethanol. I believe the owner's manual recommends 87.

oh oh...

cuz · June 21st, 2012, 05:24 PM

yup 87 its in the book

PsHYk · June 21st, 2012, 05:27 PM

i dont remember reading that and im not saying youre lying just i actually read the manual for the most part and the safety tip book...

but cool least thatll save me some money now... =D

cuz · June 21st, 2012, 05:53 PM

page 33

under
General Information
Fuel Requirement:
Fuel type

Boom King · June 21st, 2012, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xSean13

87, non-ethanol. I believe the owner's manual recommends 87.

Yup, if you're lucky to get ethanol free gas where you live. Everything is E10 around here except for Shell V-Power at selected stations. Even then, I question whether it is truly 100% ethanol free. I believe the manual states that gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol is "approved" for use.

Miles_Prower · June 21st, 2012, 09:25 PM

I use regular..87. that is what the bike is rated for..!!! the supersports all need 90+ octane, but not our little ninjette. pumping anything more than that is just a waste of cash, just like in most vehicles rated for 87 (i have a friend who runs his corolla on premium..i think he's a nut lol). my fuel also has ethanol, but the dealership guy said as long as I empty the tank every week or so, it won't really cause any problems... only if you leave the ethanol gas in the tank for an extended period will it cause problems. so far, so good!

Alex · June 22nd, 2012, 04:37 AM

/merged with main octane thread

Renner · June 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM

Holy Crap 12 pages on what gas to use!!!

Alex · June 27th, 2012, 08:14 PM

Change your posts-per-page setting in your options, and you can get it down to 5 pages.

headshrink · June 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM

Do they have these ongoing discussions in car forums?
How about forums for bikes that require premium?

Renner · July 1st, 2012, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Change your posts-per-page setting in your options, and you can get it down to 5 pages.

Yah but then it isn't

....it's more like

I think 12 pages is more dramatic

akcalhoun · July 28th, 2012, 04:48 AM

does it worth?
jk, but seriously is it worth to put this in bike? will it keep the engine cleaner and perhaps last longer or am i just wasting money if i do this?

Motofool · July 28th, 2012, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akcalhoun

does it worth?
jk, but seriously is it worth to put this in bike? will it keep the engine cleaner and perhaps last longer or am i just wasting money if i do this?

Actually, it is the other way around.

Anti-detonation additives tend to create more deposits in the carbs and engine.

Regular gas is good enough for these engines, which can't benefit from the characteristics that the premium gas offers.

http://www.cartalk.com/content/premium-vs-regular-0

dfox · July 28th, 2012, 06:37 AM

There is no benefit to running "premium" gas in an engine designed for "regular".

the designations that stations give gasoline is very misleading. They should simply stick to calling them by their octane number, because in no way is "premium" gas better than "regular" gas. It's simply different.

The higher the octane rating, the more heat/pressure is required to detonate that gasoline. This is especially important in cars/motorcycles with very high compression ratios, or cars with forced induction. By design, those vehicles have excess pressure that can cause the gasoline to prematurely detonate. Premature detonation induces "ping" and is not good for an engine, and reduces performance.

Generally speaking, for street riding, you should use the LOWEST octane rating that your engine was designed for, for the best performance.

track days, aftermarket tunes, etc. all bring in other factors that may change your desired octane, but on our bikes 87 will give you optimum performance.

If you're concerned with keeping the engine cleaner, use "top tier gasoline". You can google that term, and find a list of gasoline stores that are considered "top tier". I choose to only buy gas from these stations unless I'm in an emergency, when I only put in as much gas as I need to get me to a top tier station. They include additives that help clean out your fuel system.

ninja250r81 · July 30th, 2012, 03:23 AM

higher the octane means the fuel takes longer to burn.

so blah blah blah, the fuel will be less prone to pinging.

use the higher octane fuel in summer when the temperature gets hot

choneofakind · July 30th, 2012, 05:23 AM

Kawasaki recommends 87. Just use 87 unless you get knocking, then use a tank of midrange. No reason to blow extra money out your exhaust pipe.
Posted via Mobile Device

broilmebk · July 30th, 2012, 02:09 PM

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15904

Alex · July 30th, 2012, 02:12 PM

/merged

alex.s · July 30th, 2012, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja250r81

higher the octane means the fuel takes longer to burn.

so blah blah blah, the fuel will be less prone to pinging.

use the higher octane fuel in summer when the temperature gets hot

it means it takes more heat to ignite the fuel. it burns at the same rate. higher octane gas is made for higher compression engines that would predetonate regular gas because the heat from compression is enough to ignite the gas. causing the ping.

heres a nice explanation: http://www.rockettbrand.com/techsupp...ationships.pdf

broken neck · July 30th, 2012, 02:29 PM

Once again,

Thanks ninjette.org...

I don't know why, but I was using 91 for mine... Maybe because it's a motocycle with a porty look, so it needed to be fed with some expensive gas...

So I'll try 87 on my next fill up...

Never thought that Ninjette could be less expensive to run...

nakedhunter · July 30th, 2012, 02:40 PM

I run on 91 octane simply because Costco here offers either 85 Octane or 91 Octane. no 87 octane unless I want to pay 15 cents more a gallon down the road

alex.s · July 30th, 2012, 02:44 PM

the greatest thing about the ninjette is how ridiculously cheap it is to own and operate

Jiggles · July 30th, 2012, 02:47 PM

Amen Alex, this bike will save you nearly $0.60 on every fillup

Heffdan · July 30th, 2012, 03:34 PM

I once have put 100 octane in the tank.

ninja250r81 · August 2nd, 2012, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heffdan

I once have put 100 octane in the tank.

you do know 100 at united stations its e85 with 98

March 4th, 2012, 08:01 PM	#441
ProdigyRacingLA ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Red Posts: 93	what kind of gas do you pump? When I first got the bike, used regular unleaded gasoline. After that been using premium gasoline. Top of the line chevron. Which do you recommend or use? Thnx for reading!

March 4th, 2012, 08:01 PM	#442
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Manual says to use 87 octane 91 RON. __________________________________________________

March 4th, 2012, 08:30 PM	#450
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Nothing to worry about. The only thing running 91 will hurt is your wallet, there's just no benefit to it on these bikes. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 4th, 2012, 08:46 PM	#451
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Higher octanes are for higher compression engines (not necessarily however). Some cars use 110, but that's race fuel. A common misconception is that the fuel is cleaner, however, there isn't a big difference in that. By using a higher octane, your wasting a small amount of money each time you fill up, since that gas won't be used. The higher the octane number, the more compression the fuel can withstand before detonating. I think I wrote that correctly. __________________________________________________

March 4th, 2012, 08:58 PM	#452
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Because it needed to be said again in this thread? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 4th, 2012, 08:05 PM	#444
MikeBudd ninjette.org guru Name: Mike Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): RED 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 304	Very debated topic. There was a video floating around that explained octane's and showed why you should use the manufacturer recommended which for the 250's is 87 or 91 ron As long as your engine is not pinging, you should be fine :O

March 4th, 2012, 08:15 PM	#445
ProdigyRacingLA ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Red Posts: 93	Just checked and ive been pumping the correct gasoline. It's premium 91. Getting better mileage and performance out of higher octane gasoline. The first time I pumped it, my buddy said I had a little backfire come out of the exhaust. That I shouldn't be worries due to the gasoline I pumped that caused it. Runs just fine, 4 months strong ridden daily.

March 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM	#448
ProdigyRacingLA ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Red Posts: 93	Well thanks guys, ill be sure to make the switch to 87. Hopefully no major damage has been done :/ Sorry for the confusion

June 21st, 2012, 05:20 PM	#454
PsHYk ninjette.org member Name: Pshyk Location: Fairbanks,AK Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012-250R Posts: 202	Fuel Octane Rating i think this is tech talk but if its not i apologize and should be moved where it should... ok so i was wondering what octane fuel you guys use in your bike and why? well why other than prices i use the 91 or whatever it is the most expensive one but i read somewhere...ill try to find again here in a bit...that on bikes its better to use lower octane fuel than higher octane fuel so i thought i would ask you guys...also if its better to use the lower is it bad to use the higher and vice versa? i know its probably not too much difference but again...just thought id ask...

June 21st, 2012, 05:21 PM	#455
xSean13 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Middle TN Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r (sold) / '03 CBR 600RR Posts: A lot.	87, non-ethanol. I believe the owner's manual recommends 87.

June 21st, 2012, 05:24 PM	#457
cuz cuz Name: Israel Location: Houston (me) Galveston Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	yup 87 its in the book __________________________________________________ THE GOOD LIFE

June 21st, 2012, 05:27 PM	#458
PsHYk ninjette.org member Name: Pshyk Location: Fairbanks,AK Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012-250R Posts: 202	i dont remember reading that and im not saying youre lying just i actually read the manual for the most part and the safety tip book... but cool least thatll save me some money now... =D

June 21st, 2012, 05:53 PM	#459
cuz cuz Name: Israel Location: Houston (me) Galveston Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	page 33 under General Information Fuel Requirement: Fuel type __________________________________________________ THE GOOD LIFE

June 21st, 2012, 09:25 PM	#461
Miles_Prower One Loyal Fox Name: Rahul Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R (RIP), 2011 ZX-6R Posts: 869	I use regular..87. that is what the bike is rated for..!!! the supersports all need 90+ octane, but not our little ninjette. pumping anything more than that is just a waste of cash, just like in most vehicles rated for 87 (i have a friend who runs his corolla on premium..i think he's a nut lol). my fuel also has ethanol, but the dealership guy said as long as I empty the tank every week or so, it won't really cause any problems... only if you leave the ethanol gas in the tank for an extended period will it cause problems. so far, so good!

June 22nd, 2012, 04:37 AM	#462
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	/merged with main octane thread __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

June 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM	#463
Renner Ignoring Jiggles Name: Joe Location: Des Plaines, IL Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250R, '06 Ninja 250R (Sold) Posts: 299	Holy Crap 12 pages on what gas to use!!! __________________________________________________ YouTube And Facebook http://www.youtube.com/RennerVlogs http://www.facebook.com/RennerVlogs

June 27th, 2012, 08:14 PM	#464
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Change your posts-per-page setting in your options, and you can get it down to 5 pages. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

June 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM	#465
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Do they have these ongoing discussions in car forums? How about forums for bikes that require premium? __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

July 28th, 2012, 04:48 AM	#467
akcalhoun ninjette.org member Name: aaron Location: east texas Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 honda shadow phantom Posts: 170	premium plus gas does it worth? jk, but seriously is it worth to put this in bike? will it keep the engine cleaner and perhaps last longer or am i just wasting money if i do this?

July 28th, 2012, 06:37 AM	#469
dfox ninjette.org sage Name: Fox Location: Boston Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 08 250R Posts: 881	There is no benefit to running "premium" gas in an engine designed for "regular". the designations that stations give gasoline is very misleading. They should simply stick to calling them by their octane number, because in no way is "premium" gas better than "regular" gas. It's simply different. The higher the octane rating, the more heat/pressure is required to detonate that gasoline. This is especially important in cars/motorcycles with very high compression ratios, or cars with forced induction. By design, those vehicles have excess pressure that can cause the gasoline to prematurely detonate. Premature detonation induces "ping" and is not good for an engine, and reduces performance. Generally speaking, for street riding, you should use the LOWEST octane rating that your engine was designed for, for the best performance. track days, aftermarket tunes, etc. all bring in other factors that may change your desired octane, but on our bikes 87 will give you optimum performance. If you're concerned with keeping the engine cleaner, use "top tier gasoline". You can google that term, and find a list of gasoline stores that are considered "top tier". I choose to only buy gas from these stations unless I'm in an emergency, when I only put in as much gas as I need to get me to a top tier station. They include additives that help clean out your fuel system.

July 30th, 2012, 03:23 AM	#470
ninja250r81 ninjette.org guru Name: scott Location: australia Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 ninja 250r se Posts: 435	higher the octane means the fuel takes longer to burn. so blah blah blah, the fuel will be less prone to pinging. use the higher octane fuel in summer when the temperature gets hot

July 30th, 2012, 05:23 AM	#471
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Kawasaki recommends 87. Just use 87 unless you get knocking, then use a tank of midrange. No reason to blow extra money out your exhaust pipe. Posted via Mobile Device

July 30th, 2012, 02:09 PM	#472
broilmebk ninjette.org sage Name: Brian Location: Orange County, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): '12 ninja 250r Posts: 762	http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15904

July 30th, 2012, 02:12 PM	#473
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	/merged __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

July 30th, 2012, 02:29 PM	#475
broken neck ninjette.org guru Name: Thomas Location: Montréal Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R Special Edition (sold), 2017 CRF250 Rally Posts: 384	Once again, Thanks ninjette.org... I don't know why, but I was using 91 for mine... Maybe because it's a motocycle with a porty look, so it needed to be fed with some expensive gas... So I'll try 87 on my next fill up... Never thought that Ninjette could be less expensive to run...

July 30th, 2012, 02:40 PM	#476
nakedhunter ninjette.org member Name: Naked Location: Colorado Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (RED) Posts: 59	I run on 91 octane simply because Costco here offers either 85 Octane or 91 Octane. no 87 octane unless I want to pay 15 cents more a gallon down the road

July 30th, 2012, 02:44 PM	#477
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the greatest thing about the ninjette is how ridiculously cheap it is to own and operate __________________________________________________

July 30th, 2012, 02:47 PM	#478
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Amen Alex, this bike will save you nearly $0.60 on every fillup __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

July 30th, 2012, 03:34 PM	#479
Heffdan ninjette.org member Name: Dan Location: Gods Country - Australia Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 SE Posts: 42	I once have put 100 octane in the tank.

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