Finally got mine..er cbr that is

madeuce1006 · July 8th, 2011, 08:07 PM

This is my first bike. Up until about a month ago I was determined to get the ninja then I saw the new CBR in black and I knew I had to have it. It might not be as fast as the ninja but I don't care. It's mine and I love it. I will continue to hang out on the ninjette forum though. The CBR forums just does not have the depth.

Jiggles · July 8th, 2011, 08:10 PM

Just re-decal it to say ninja and no one will ever know

alex.s · July 8th, 2011, 08:16 PM

dang... sorry you made such a rash and ill advised decision...

lol jk

bob706 · July 8th, 2011, 08:18 PM

Congrats

whiteboy · July 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM

to me it's all about what u like on 2 wheels. Congrats maybe you can take what u like about this site and make a new 1 and theycan be sister sites? Just a thought

00NissanNinja · July 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM

Congrats and enjoy the ride

adri99an · July 8th, 2011, 09:34 PM

I'm not a fan of the CBR250 but it did get a BETTER review against the 2011 Ninja 250 in a magazine article I read. I like that the valve adjustment comes like around 12XXX miles or so.

BUTTTTTT..... the Ninja is sportier, badd ass looking and S-E-X-Y!

Congrats on the new ride though! Enjoy it!

Mr.E · July 8th, 2011, 09:59 PM

Hmm... Are those handle on the rear for passengers? If so, I like that.

Yasko · July 8th, 2011, 11:48 PM

Be safe, and have fun...

rusninja · July 9th, 2011, 12:29 AM

i like the rims >.>

ally99 · July 9th, 2011, 05:13 AM

Great looking bike! Congrats!

LoneRonin · July 9th, 2011, 05:43 AM

I still don't understand why its been labelled a CBR...theres nothing CBR about it. Its clearly a baby VFR.

GeorgiaHooligan · July 9th, 2011, 07:16 AM

All the reviews Iv read picked Ninja over Cbr.

adri99an · July 9th, 2011, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgiaHooligan

All the reviews Iv read picked Ninja over Cbr.

Well the folks over at Cycle World magazine think otherwise. In their April 2011- "250 Shootout!" article they sided with the CBR250. I was a little disappointed- they gave a few props to the Ninjette but it sounded as if they like the CBRs handeling and low RPMs when on the freeway as well as the maintenance period for a valve adjustment. What magazine did you read? I'd love to read the article.

LoneRonin · July 9th, 2011, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adri99an

Well the folks over at Cycle World magazine think otherwise. In their April 2011- "250 Shootout!" article they sided with the CBR250. I was a little disappointed- they gave a few props to the Ninjette but it sounded as if they like the CBRs handeling and low RPMs when on the freeway as well as the maintenance period for a valve adjustment. What magazine did you read? I'd love to read the article.

theres more to it than just reading articles...you have to experience it for yourself to truly know what its like.
Handling wise theres not much of a difference and thats something that really depends on the rider, I have clip ons and rearsets so even that makes it a lot more different from a stock bike.
RPMs wise I found the thing redlines way to fast...its redlining when the Ninja is just starting to build up its power, I can assure you on the highway you'd much rather have the Ninja.

Xoulrath · July 9th, 2011, 10:09 AM

Congrats on the bike. I think the Ninjette looks better, but hey, that's just my opinion.

From what I have read, the two bikes are pretty much even in performance, with a slight nod going to the Ninja on top speed and acceleration. The handling, in regards to tossing it around, is apparently slightly sharper on your CBR.

I don't think you can go wrong with either bike, and I think from a beginner/commuter standpoint, the CBR is better, unless you just need to run 95 on the interstate. The Ninjette, with it's aftermarket support, is the better choice for trackday junkies and/or amateur racers. I also think the experienced rider crowd looking for an inexpensive commuter and weekend toy would choose the Ninjette.

Like I said though, you can't go wrong with either, and again congratulations on an excellent bike and the beginning of a great hobby.

adri99an · July 9th, 2011, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

theres more to it than just reading articles...you have to experience it for yourself to truly know what its like.
Handling wise theres not much of a difference and thats something that really depends on the rider, I have clip ons and rearsets so even that makes it a lot more different from a stock bike.
RPMs wise I found the thing redlines way to fast...its redlining when the Ninja is just starting to build up its power, I can assure you on the highway you'd much rather have the Ninja.

Well in the article- they compared apples to apples or stock to stock. As stated earlier it depends on who's doing the riding and their preferences. I think I'm going to have to test ride this cbr to make my own judgements.
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greatwhiteninja · July 9th, 2011, 11:17 AM

i read a few articles and watched some videos of comparing the 2 bikes before i got my ninja.. the slightly lower top end and acceleration pushed me towards the ninja.. also being a prior kawasaki owner and the aftermarket support for the ninja helped too

they are a good looking bike.. cant wait to see what the aftermarket world brings to them and after guys have had them for a while and starting customizing them.

Boom King · July 9th, 2011, 11:21 AM

Nice bike, congrats. Did Honda give you a good deal and how long did you have to wait for delivery?

madeuce1006 · July 9th, 2011, 04:22 PM

As far as deals go I think I am in line with what I have seen others report online. I paid 4500 OTD. Around here, I have heard of people paying 5200. Unfortunately, the dealers have the upper hand here. I didn't have to wait though as there were 3 of these bikes at the dealer 2 black and 1 red/silver. with respect to waiting..the ninja is about as hard to get as the CBR. When found used, they (ninja) are about as much as a new bike!! Maybe a few hundred less.
I get that the ninja is a faster bike but really I could care less. I want to ride it to work on my 10 minute commute, do some jaunts out to the local parks and occasionally take it into town. Freeway is not really necessary in my situation and frankly I would be more inclined to take the ranger than the bike for that.

2011Ninja250R · July 16th, 2011, 12:58 PM

To pick one over the other performance-wise is pointless. I think it comes down to ergonomics, style and maintenance. I thought hard about the CBR250R but just couldn't do it. The Ninja has so much more aftermarket support and looks meaner.

2011Ninja250R · July 16th, 2011, 01:03 PM

There were some really good points to the Honda though- I loved the instrumentation. It just felt so skinny and small.

adri99an · July 16th, 2011, 03:28 PM

Does anyone know what type of aftermarket mods this CBR can handle? That's what I dig about the Ninjette- soooo many aftermarket mods and farkles and so on. I guess time will tell.

2011Ninja250R · July 16th, 2011, 03:31 PM

That's just it- there aren't many ou there yet. Honda offers a handful of stuff but it's all real pricey (the seat cowl is over $200!). I think it'll be a few months before stuff starts coming out...

adri99an · July 16th, 2011, 03:50 PM

Well- then right now the CBR is a bike with "time will tell" factors indicating how well it can/cannot do.....

I have an 08 and even today I'm still playing around with mods and farkles- too much fun and many of the parts are pretty cheap these days

CBR I eny your instrumentation

Kawi I enjoy everything else!

2011Ninja250R · July 16th, 2011, 04:00 PM

I think we will soon see more 250 sport bikes from other japanese manufacturers (Suzuki & Yamaha). In a time when sales are low, these bikes continue to sell like crazy. Triumph is working on there own "Street Single" right now.

caps · July 16th, 2011, 04:01 PM

so scott...

when you gonna let me drive it

Bushmaster11B · July 24th, 2011, 02:00 PM

Congrats on the new bike... sad it wasn't a Ninjette but glad you are happy. My first bike was a CBR 929. Loved the speed, hated the handleing. To me CBRs are stiff rides. But hey, you really don't have a "CBR" do you. LOL & J/K? Just as long as you stay Kawasaki in heart...

TXJ · July 24th, 2011, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011Ninja250R

There were some really good points to the Honda though- I loved the instrumentation. It just felt so skinny and small.

I find them opposite. The ninja feels small to me because I don't fold up on it correctly despite it being "bigger". I fit well on the CBR which makes it feel bigger and roomier. They hit ergonomics on that bike perfectly. It really suits taller riders.

Michaeldphotography · July 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM

I looking to buy a ninja in two weeks. I like everything i have read about it. My friend just got the cbr and i have been riding it a good bit the last couple of weeks and i really do love the way it rides. I dont have much to compare it to the only other bike I have ridden is the suzuki gs500. The cbr handled great and it felt like it had decent power when i was on 50 mph roads. It did seem to red line pretty fast though. Im still hard pressed on the ninja and hope its about the same or better. Im hoping i can find someone in Atlanta that would be willing to let me try it out. Go ninja

madeuce1006 · August 15th, 2011, 05:43 PM

Wow..Been away from this for awhile and did not realize people had been posting long after my last entry. In any case, I have been riding for about a month now and even went on a group ride with some ninjetters this past Sunday 8-14. I can tell you that the Ninja is a faster bike no doubt about it. My bike seemed to struggle to keep up at times while the ninja guys just seemed to rocket off with no problem. You really have to run it on the edge of the red line to get the speed. Don't get me wrong I love the bike. It is comfortable and I could ride it for hours (and did) and not experience a great deal of discomfort (i.e. a sore ass). You definitely feel the pick-up at lower speeds. This is a review from a rider with a month of experience so take it with a grain of salt

caps · August 15th, 2011, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeuce1006

Wow..Been away from this for awhile and did not realize people had been posting long after my last entry. In any case, I have been riding for about a month now and even went on a group ride with some ninjetters this past Sunday 8-14.

YA BUDDY!

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeuce1006

I can tell you that the Ninja is a faster bike no doubt about it. My bike seemed to struggle to keep up at times while the ninja guys just seemed to rocket off with no problem. You really have to run it on the edge of the red line to get the speed.

That's just how us Tampa guys drive

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeuce1006

Don't get me wrong I love the bike. It is comfortable and I could ride it for hours (and did) and not experience a great deal of discomfort (i.e. a sore ass). You definitely feel the pick-up at lower speeds. This is a review from a rider with a month of experience so take it with a grain of salt

I can tell you I was pretty sore.... but I ended up just a hair under 250miles for the day.

madeuce1006 · August 15th, 2011, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the pics caps. Why the f... do you have your light blacked out? does not work from the crash?

caps · August 15th, 2011, 07:01 PM

in my signature the part that says "my bike" is a link. I explained on page 2 with pics, but yea

Snake · August 15th, 2011, 07:11 PM

Congratulations on the new bike.

July 8th, 2011, 08:10 PM	#2
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Just re-decal it to say ninja and no one will ever know __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

July 8th, 2011, 08:16 PM	#3
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	dang... sorry you made such a rash and ill advised decision... lol jk __________________________________________________

July 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM	#5
whiteboy ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: Odessa Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 blue ninja 250r Posts: 223	to me it's all about what u like on 2 wheels. Congrats maybe you can take what u like about this site and make a new 1 and theycan be sister sites? Just a thought __________________________________________________ If you’re going to lead, then lead. If you’re going to follow, get the hell out of my way!

July 8th, 2011, 09:21 PM	#6
00NissanNinja I hate driving... Name: S Location: SW Ohio Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.	Congrats and enjoy the ride __________________________________________________ 09 ninja 2fiddy SE Driving slow things fast

July 9th, 2011, 12:29 AM	#10
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	i like the rims >.> __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

July 8th, 2011, 08:18 PM	#4
bob706 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Mary Esther, FL Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 1998 HD Road King Posts: A lot.	Congrats

July 8th, 2011, 09:34 PM	#7
adri99an ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Donger Location: So CAL Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): "Is that a Ninjer 1000?" Posts: A lot.	I'm not a fan of the CBR250 but it did get a BETTER review against the 2011 Ninja 250 in a magazine article I read. I like that the valve adjustment comes like around 12XXX miles or so. BUTTTTTT..... the Ninja is sportier, badd ass looking and S-E-X-Y! Congrats on the new ride though! Enjoy it!

July 8th, 2011, 09:59 PM	#8
Mr.E That rider dude. Name: Eric Location: Orlando, Fl. Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 White Ninja 250 SE. Posts: A lot.	Hmm... Are those handle on the rear for passengers? If so, I like that.

July 8th, 2011, 11:48 PM	#9
Yasko Texas Newbie Name: John Location: D/FW Texas Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 07 Ninja EX250, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	Be safe, and have fun...

July 9th, 2011, 05:13 AM	#11
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Great looking bike! Congrats! __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

July 9th, 2011, 05:43 AM	#12
LoneRonin ninjette.org sage Name: Jason Location: Mississauga Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 634	I still don't understand why its been labelled a CBR...theres nothing CBR about it. Its clearly a baby VFR.

July 9th, 2011, 07:16 AM	#13
GeorgiaHooligan ninjette.org guru Name: Aaron Location: Gone riding. Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 389	All the reviews Iv read picked Ninja over Cbr.

July 9th, 2011, 10:09 AM	#16
Xoulrath ninjette.org sage Name: T Location: U.S. Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: '11 ZX-6R; Previous: '09 Ninjette; '08 ZX-6R (Ex-Wife '09 TU250X) Posts: 981	Congrats on the bike. I think the Ninjette looks better, but hey, that's just my opinion. From what I have read, the two bikes are pretty much even in performance, with a slight nod going to the Ninja on top speed and acceleration. The handling, in regards to tossing it around, is apparently slightly sharper on your CBR. I don't think you can go wrong with either bike, and I think from a beginner/commuter standpoint, the CBR is better, unless you just need to run 95 on the interstate. The Ninjette, with it's aftermarket support, is the better choice for trackday junkies and/or amateur racers. I also think the experienced rider crowd looking for an inexpensive commuter and weekend toy would choose the Ninjette. Like I said though, you can't go wrong with either, and again congratulations on an excellent bike and the beginning of a great hobby. __________________________________________________ R.I.P EthioKnight (Alex)

July 9th, 2011, 11:17 AM	#18
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	i read a few articles and watched some videos of comparing the 2 bikes before i got my ninja.. the slightly lower top end and acceleration pushed me towards the ninja.. also being a prior kawasaki owner and the aftermarket support for the ninja helped too they are a good looking bike.. cant wait to see what the aftermarket world brings to them and after guys have had them for a while and starting customizing them. __________________________________________________ #1

July 9th, 2011, 11:21 AM	#19
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Nice bike, congrats. Did Honda give you a good deal and how long did you have to wait for delivery?

July 9th, 2011, 04:22 PM	#20
madeuce1006 ninjette.org member Name: scott Location: Lakeland, Florida Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 honda cbr 250r Posts: 21	As far as deals go I think I am in line with what I have seen others report online. I paid 4500 OTD. Around here, I have heard of people paying 5200. Unfortunately, the dealers have the upper hand here. I didn't have to wait though as there were 3 of these bikes at the dealer 2 black and 1 red/silver. with respect to waiting..the ninja is about as hard to get as the CBR. When found used, they (ninja) are about as much as a new bike!! Maybe a few hundred less. I get that the ninja is a faster bike but really I could care less. I want to ride it to work on my 10 minute commute, do some jaunts out to the local parks and occasionally take it into town. Freeway is not really necessary in my situation and frankly I would be more inclined to take the ranger than the bike for that.

July 16th, 2011, 12:58 PM	#21
2011Ninja250R ninjette.org guru Name: Brad Location: Centerville, OH Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE (Green) Previous bikes R1, Daytona 675, GSXR600, Pre-Gen 250R Posts: 330	To pick one over the other performance-wise is pointless. I think it comes down to ergonomics, style and maintenance. I thought hard about the CBR250R but just couldn't do it. The Ninja has so much more aftermarket support and looks meaner.

July 16th, 2011, 01:03 PM	#22
2011Ninja250R ninjette.org guru Name: Brad Location: Centerville, OH Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE (Green) Previous bikes R1, Daytona 675, GSXR600, Pre-Gen 250R Posts: 330	There were some really good points to the Honda though- I loved the instrumentation. It just felt so skinny and small.

July 16th, 2011, 03:28 PM	#23
adri99an ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Donger Location: So CAL Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): "Is that a Ninjer 1000?" Posts: A lot.	Does anyone know what type of aftermarket mods this CBR can handle? That's what I dig about the Ninjette- soooo many aftermarket mods and farkles and so on. I guess time will tell.

July 16th, 2011, 03:31 PM	#24
2011Ninja250R ninjette.org guru Name: Brad Location: Centerville, OH Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE (Green) Previous bikes R1, Daytona 675, GSXR600, Pre-Gen 250R Posts: 330	That's just it- there aren't many ou there yet. Honda offers a handful of stuff but it's all real pricey (the seat cowl is over $200!). I think it'll be a few months before stuff starts coming out...

July 16th, 2011, 03:50 PM	#25
adri99an ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Donger Location: So CAL Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): "Is that a Ninjer 1000?" Posts: A lot.	Well- then right now the CBR is a bike with "time will tell" factors indicating how well it can/cannot do..... I have an 08 and even today I'm still playing around with mods and farkles- too much fun and many of the parts are pretty cheap these days CBR I eny your instrumentation Kawi I enjoy everything else!

July 16th, 2011, 04:00 PM	#26
2011Ninja250R ninjette.org guru Name: Brad Location: Centerville, OH Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE (Green) Previous bikes R1, Daytona 675, GSXR600, Pre-Gen 250R Posts: 330	I think we will soon see more 250 sport bikes from other japanese manufacturers (Suzuki & Yamaha). In a time when sales are low, these bikes continue to sell like crazy. Triumph is working on there own "Street Single" right now.

July 16th, 2011, 04:01 PM	#27
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	so scott... when you gonna let me drive it __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

July 24th, 2011, 02:00 PM	#28
Bushmaster11B Bushmaster11B Name: Jason Location: Ft Campbell Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R "Limited Edition" w/ Metallic, Pearl Essent, Candy Coat 3 Tone Paint Job Posts: 181	Congrats on the new bike... sad it wasn't a Ninjette but glad you are happy. My first bike was a CBR 929. Loved the speed, hated the handleing. To me CBRs are stiff rides. But hey, you really don't have a "CBR" do you. LOL & J/K? Just as long as you stay Kawasaki in heart... __________________________________________________ http://r9.fodey.com/2166/7fddc3a7c75...978e4f3c.0.gif

July 27th, 2011, 07:10 PM	#30
Michaeldphotography ninjette.org member Name: Mook Location: Atlanta Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): SUZUKI GS500 Posts: 62	I looking to buy a ninja in two weeks. I like everything i have read about it. My friend just got the cbr and i have been riding it a good bit the last couple of weeks and i really do love the way it rides. I dont have much to compare it to the only other bike I have ridden is the suzuki gs500. The cbr handled great and it felt like it had decent power when i was on 50 mph roads. It did seem to red line pretty fast though. Im still hard pressed on the ninja and hope its about the same or better. Im hoping i can find someone in Atlanta that would be willing to let me try it out. Go ninja __________________________________________________ Just happy to ride!!!!

August 15th, 2011, 05:43 PM	#31
madeuce1006 ninjette.org member Name: scott Location: Lakeland, Florida Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 honda cbr 250r Posts: 21	Wow..Been away from this for awhile and did not realize people had been posting long after my last entry. In any case, I have been riding for about a month now and even went on a group ride with some ninjetters this past Sunday 8-14. I can tell you that the Ninja is a faster bike no doubt about it. My bike seemed to struggle to keep up at times while the ninja guys just seemed to rocket off with no problem. You really have to run it on the edge of the red line to get the speed. Don't get me wrong I love the bike. It is comfortable and I could ride it for hours (and did) and not experience a great deal of discomfort (i.e. a sore ass). You definitely feel the pick-up at lower speeds. This is a review from a rider with a month of experience so take it with a grain of salt

August 15th, 2011, 06:47 PM	#33
madeuce1006 ninjette.org member Name: scott Location: Lakeland, Florida Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 honda cbr 250r Posts: 21	Thanks for the pics caps. Why the f... do you have your light blacked out? does not work from the crash?

August 15th, 2011, 07:01 PM	#34
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	in my signature the part that says "my bike" is a link. I explained on page 2 with pics, but yea __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

August 15th, 2011, 07:11 PM	#35
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Congratulations on the new bike.

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