Gas mileage poll for the new 300 - Page 2

DougBR · October 1st, 2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

lol... tvs and cameras.... and bikes... \o/

GreenNinja · October 2nd, 2012, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sapper

Frankly most of us in the US don't care. We live in (arguably) the most powerful country in the world. If you want to talk about fuel economy in liters per 100km go create a website for other countries; this one is a US site created by Americans and most of us here are Americans. That's why the website is in English and not Portugese

Boom!

Sapper, you are going over the top with this statement. I see you are from Florida - home of over the top crazies that show up in the news.

Sapper · October 2nd, 2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenNinja

Sapper, you are going over the top with this statement. I see you are from Florida - home of over the top crazies that show up in the news.

Perhaps. I just find it amusing as I wouldn't go to a German website and act confused when things are discussed using the metric system

Sapper · October 2nd, 2012, 03:10 PM

Alex I LOVE that America picture hahahaha we are #1!!!

GreenNinja · October 2nd, 2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Here's what I'm seeing:

Tank 1: 37 mpg (eek, hope it starts to break in)
Tank 2: 46 mpg (ok, it's moving in the right direction)
Tank 3: 49 mpg (ok, this is higher than I've ever seen on my 250 under normal use)

That last tank was at a constant 80 mph (actual) from Marin back to home this morning. In the same exact usage, I would get 37-38 mpg on the 250; the new bike is a huge improvement already.

Alex, what RPMs do you normally keep the bike in?

DougBR · October 2nd, 2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapper

Perhaps. I just find it amusing as I wouldn't go to a German website and act confused when things are discussed using the metric system

I'm sorry if I offended you somehow. It was not my intention. I was only pointing that out because, to me, he was being ironic or sarcastic... and I tryed to play along. If he wasn't, then I apologise to him too... it was probably my bad English. As you pointed out, I speak portuguese.

I had the impression people here use to joke around and didn't take things that seriously...

to the metric system!

Link to original page on YouTube.

Jiggles · October 2nd, 2012, 07:09 PM

Alex, I have an idea, before the youtube button can be used a ninjette member will be prompted to take a training course and pass a series of tests. Once the tests have been completed with a 100% success rate then the youtube button will be enabled.

DougBR · October 2nd, 2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Alex, I have an idea, before the youtube button can be used a ninjette member will be prompted to take a training course and pass a series of tests. Once the tests have been completed with a 100% success rate then the youtube button will be enabled.

I figured it out.... but damn, you are quick!

Jiggles · October 2nd, 2012, 07:16 PM

been seeing a lot of people fail with it lately

Alex · October 2nd, 2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenNinja

Alex, what RPMs do you normally keep the bike in?

I'm running this bike in the 6k to 10k range. It seems happier in these lower ranges compared to the 250, that was really only usable when riding swiftly if you kept it in the 8k - 12k range. I'm finding that the bike seems to have very little engine braking, probably because I am running with the revs a little lower than I used to.

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Originally Posted by DougBR

I had the impression people here use to joke around and didn't take things that seriously...

You have the right impression.

Surferboy120 · October 2nd, 2012, 09:21 PM

Last two tanks now have seen avg of 62-65 mpg since I have commenced flogging tactics. I am sure the mpg will continue to fall at this rate. I have adjusted my vote accordingly.

Zola · October 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM

And it's about time you stopped all this talk about bike made anywhere else but America. Discussions of foreign motorcycles will only confuse real Americans. And what's with all this 250 stuff? What's a cc.? Probably an unAmerican unit of measure that has infiltrated into the lexicon through the devious efforts of linguistic terrorists.

Be afraid. very afraid.

And now, for FoxNews, good night and tune in tomorrow... if were lucky enough to keep the sun revolving round the Earth.

Jiggles · October 2nd, 2012, 09:56 PM

Alex · October 2nd, 2012, 09:58 PM

pic no worky?

Jiggles · October 2nd, 2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

pic no worky?

**** well if ****ing ninjette wouldnt ****ing **** **** bleep all the ****ing **** words in ****ing URL's then ****, I wouldn't ****ing be ****ing having these ****ing problems!

Poop!

Sapper · October 4th, 2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DougBR

I'm sorry if I offended you somehow. It was not my intention. I was only pointing that out because, to me, he was being ironic or sarcastic... and I tryed to play along. If he wasn't, then I apologise to him too... it was probably my bad English. As you pointed out, I speak portuguese.

I had the impression people here use to joke around and didn't take things that seriously...

to the metric system!

Link to original page on YouTube.

I saw Brazil and my best friend is Brazilian so I mentioned Portugese. You would be surprised how many Americans do not know that Brazilians speak Portugese not Spanish.

DougBR · October 5th, 2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sapper

I saw Brazil and my best friend is Brazilian so I mentioned Portugese. You would be surprised how many Americans do not know that Brazilians speak Portugese not Spanish.

I would not! LOL
I was actually surprised that you knew we speak Portuguese
remember Alex's map?! it's all coffee down here... :P

Alex · October 8th, 2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Tank 1: 37 mpg (eek, hope it starts to break in)
Tank 2: 46 mpg (ok, it's moving in the right direction)
Tank 3: 49 mpg (ok, this is higher than I've ever seen on my 250 under normal use)

Tank 4: 42 mpg
Tank 5: 43 mpg

Sapper · October 8th, 2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DougBR

I would not! LOL
I was actually surprised that you knew we speak Portuguese
remember Alex's map?! it's all coffee down here... :P

Whoops I forgot to be a stupid Amercan. Y'all speak Mexican there don't ya?

I have been to Brazil. I love the women and Senna

Sapper · October 8th, 2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Tank 4: 42 mpg
Tank 5: 43 mpg

Yikes I had over 70mpg first then over 50 the next two

Confuzshuz · October 8th, 2012, 11:48 PM

so no 80mpg?

GreenNinja · October 9th, 2012, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Confuzshuz

so no 80mpg?

Anyone out there give me some better news on mpg?

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenNinja

Anyone out there give me some better news on mpg?

Not until we stop flogging these things so I guess never....

tnr4 · October 9th, 2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Surferboy120

Not until we stop flogging these things so I guess never....

Haha, srsly. Maybe we could pull it by short shifting and trying to always keep the eco light on, but... really? Not gonna' happen.

tnr4 · October 9th, 2012, 06:19 AM

Although, Alex, I am beginning to wonder if the difference between the CA version and the 49 state version affects mileage numbers. I honestly can't imagine being much harder on the bike than I was (gas wise) that first tank, and it was well over 50 (54.8). Would that be strange, to have the CA version fare worse?

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tnr4

Although, Alex, I am beginning to wonder if the difference between the CA version and the 49 state version affects mileage numbers. I honestly can't imagine being much harder on the bike than I was (gas wise) that first tank, and it was well over 50 (54.8). Would that be strange, to have the CA version fare worse?

Yup I have been pretty hard on the bike and still see 60+....

Alex · October 9th, 2012, 06:54 AM

CA emissions + CA gas do knock it down a few points, but not as much as one might think.

Bassman · October 9th, 2012, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenNinja

That was hilarious Alex!!!!

Sad how close to the truth that is. Still, too funny Alex

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

CA emissions + CA gas do knock it down a few points, but not as much as one might think.

Best gas you guys get is 91 correct? I do run 93 although 87 is minimum.

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Surferboy120

Best gas you guys get is 91 correct? I do run 93 although 87 is minimum.

93 gets worse mileage and power than 87

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

93 gets worse mileage and power than 87

LMAO right.........

Sapper · October 9th, 2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenNinja

Anyone out there give me some better news on mpg?

Yeah if you ride it without accelerating hard and cruise around the country at 40-55mph this bike gets closer to 100mpg. I prefer riding the piss out of it and getting 50-55mpg

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Surferboy120

LMAO right.........

Would a couple dyno runs on a ninja 1000 with both grades of gas satiate your ignorance?

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Would a couple dyno runs on a ninja 1000 with both grades of gas satiate your ignorance?

Somebody did not or did not know how to tune your bike correctly if results like that exist. Hope that helps your ignorance. Higher octane only helps things.

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Surferboy120

Somebody did not or did not know how to tune your bike correctly if results like that exist. Hope that helps your ignorance. Higher octane only helps things.

I have a question for you, what does higher octane do?

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

I have a question for you, what does higher octane do?

Oh lord here we go....

Increasing octane raises the flashpoint and slows the burning process of gasoline If an engine does not have high enough compression to require higher octane there will be no improvement and it may in fact be harder to start and less effecient. Premium fuel is a waste in an engine that does not require it.

If you have the ability to tune your setup you will be able to run more ign with higher octane levels making for better performance and fuel economy if tuned correctly.

To make a blanket statement that more octane means less performance and fuel economy is ignorant. As stated above if you plan to only add additional octane with no adjustment to the tune then yes you "could" expect to see anywhere from gains, to no gains, to nothing noticeable. All of that depends on the motor setup.

Boom King · October 9th, 2012, 03:53 PM

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Fantastic! You know what you are talking about yet continue to use 93. Mind boggling.

Here's those stats I promised you for a ninja 1000

93 octane no ethanol
112.6hp and 67.1ft lbs

87 octane 10% ethanol
117.5hp and 71.2ft lbs

Now yes they are different engines with similar compression and they both run on 87 but I'd expect a similar result with the ninja 250. Likely the ninja 300 as well.

Surferboy120 · October 9th, 2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Fantastic! You know what you are talking about yet continue to use 93. Mind boggling.

Here's those stats I promised you for a ninja 1000

93 octane no ethanol
112.6hp and 67.1ft lbs

87 octane 10% ethanol
117.5hp and 71.2ft lbs

Now yes they are different engines with similar compression and they both run on 87 but I'd expect a similar result with the ninja 250. Likely the ninja 300 as well.

That's right 93 is perfect! You forget this is a fuel injected bike not carb. The ECU uses a number of factors to adjust AF on a bike. I would hope short and long term fuel trims would be part of that equation on a open loop setup which means the ECU will account for the added octane. You can't expect this to be an instant change after one fill up but the ECU being FI will adjust for 87-93 as long term fuel trims are took into account.

Different engines? I am sure different days, different temps....mods?..... And so on...those stats are worthless sorry.

Making an edit..... I believe your reference to different engines is the 1000 vs 300. If this is the case was the 1000 stats the same bike same day? Or different day...? Temps play a lot with this so seeing that little of margin on a 1000 cc bike is not uncommon. I have run my car on the same Dyno different days but same temps and gotten differences as you have shown. In my opinion it doesn't show a lot although I agree that if the 1000 was not tuned then it "may" make less power but kind of odd it did.

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 06:08 PM

Same bike different day, temperature difference of 5 degrees.

So you're telling me the 5 degree difference killed off 5hp? Das crazy mang

Also, I'd be very surprised if the ECU was capable of such acute changes without an O2 sensor. How exactly would it know?

View Poll Results: Average fuel economy on your Ninja 300?
less than 20 mpg	1	1.75%
21 mpg - 30 mpg	1	1.75%
31 mpg - 40 mpg	0	0%
41 mpg - 50 mpg	13	22.81%
51 mpg - 60 mpg	24	42.11%
61 mpg - 70 mpg	12	21.05%
71 mpg - 80 mpg	3	5.26%
81 mpg - 90 mpg	0	0%
91 mpg - 100 mpg	1	1.75%
more than 100 mpg	2	3.51%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

October 2nd, 2012, 07:09 PM	#47
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Alex, I have an idea, before the youtube button can be used a ninjette member will be prompted to take a training course and pass a series of tests. Once the tests have been completed with a 100% success rate then the youtube button will be enabled. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

October 2nd, 2012, 07:16 PM	#49
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	been seeing a lot of people fail with it lately __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

October 2nd, 2012, 09:56 PM	#53
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	__________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

October 2nd, 2012, 09:58 PM	#54
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	pic no worky? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 2nd, 2012, 03:10 PM	#44
Sapper MSF Instructor Name: Mike Location: Tampa Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300, 2010 Yamaha WR250R, 2008 CBR600RR Posts: 117	Alex I LOVE that America picture hahahaha we are #1!!!

October 2nd, 2012, 09:21 PM	#51
Surferboy120 Finding some curves.... Name: Thomas Location: Hurst,Texas Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 300 Ninja Posts: 268	Last two tanks now have seen avg of 62-65 mpg since I have commenced flogging tactics. I am sure the mpg will continue to fall at this rate. I have adjusted my vote accordingly.

October 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM	#52
Zola 40 on the road Name: Vod Location: Victor, NY Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2012 Ninja 650, 2006 Bonneville, 1990 Sportster Posts: 67	And it's about time you stopped all this talk about bike made anywhere else but America. Discussions of foreign motorcycles will only confuse real Americans. And what's with all this 250 stuff? What's a cc.? Probably an unAmerican unit of measure that has infiltrated into the lexicon through the devious efforts of linguistic terrorists. Be afraid. very afraid. And now, for FoxNews, good night and tune in tomorrow... if were lucky enough to keep the sun revolving round the Earth.

October 8th, 2012, 11:48 PM	#61
Confuzshuz ninjette.org member Name: Confuzshuz Location: SoCal Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2011 ninja 250r Posts: 148	so no 80mpg?

October 9th, 2012, 06:19 AM	#65
tnr4 ninjette.org sage Name: Travis Location: Washington, DC Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki GSX650F! Past: Kawasaki Ninja 300 (Sold); Triumph Street Triple (Sold); Kawasaki Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: 664	Although, Alex, I am beginning to wonder if the difference between the CA version and the 49 state version affects mileage numbers. I honestly can't imagine being much harder on the bike than I was (gas wise) that first tank, and it was well over 50 (54.8). Would that be strange, to have the CA version fare worse?

October 9th, 2012, 06:54 AM	#67
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	CA emissions + CA gas do knock it down a few points, but not as much as one might think. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 9th, 2012, 03:53 PM	#77
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.

October 9th, 2012, 04:02 PM	#78
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Fantastic! You know what you are talking about yet continue to use 93. Mind boggling. Here's those stats I promised you for a ninja 1000 93 octane no ethanol 112.6hp and 67.1ft lbs 87 octane 10% ethanol 117.5hp and 71.2ft lbs Now yes they are different engines with similar compression and they both run on 87 but I'd expect a similar result with the ninja 250. Likely the ninja 300 as well. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

October 9th, 2012, 06:08 PM	#80
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Same bike different day, temperature difference of 5 degrees. So you're telling me the 5 degree difference killed off 5hp? Das crazy mang Also, I'd be very surprised if the ECU was capable of such acute changes without an O2 sensor. How exactly would it know? __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

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