Shift light? - Page 4

EsrTek · August 16th, 2011, 02:09 PM

I don't care about color, just seeing that I don't have to shift to the elusive #7 gear is good with me.
I too can pre-pay if it would help at all!

ninja250 · August 16th, 2011, 02:12 PM

When the first five are finished I will take pre-order payments for the next set.
I may have to... to buy the parts.

Not until the first five are done. This is the test run..

I may also send you guys upgrades later or new gauges. I have tons of ideas but trying to keep it basic for now and make sure it works. Hard enough just to finish a few for now.

It works on my bike. If you guys can install the pick up switches exactly right on the sprocket cover and tap into your harness and neutral lines, it'll work on yours also.

Kevin2109 · August 16th, 2011, 02:14 PM

KC What is the power output of the LED? Or can it be hooked to some sort of relay? I have an Idea for the shift light LEDs!

ninja250 · August 16th, 2011, 02:37 PM

You can hook the output to a transistor pair which can drive a heavier current load, and then to a relay.
The output is ttL level digital signal for that LED.
On off 5V, but it's only like 35mah.

In other words, yes. lol

Navigator · August 16th, 2011, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja250

Off hand does anyone know how many plug fires for one side of the engine (one cylinder) we get per revolution?
Just one right? I suppose it doesn't matter now as I can figure it out after I'm reading pulses. Just would be nice to know ahead of time for the setup.

@KC:

The plug fires 2 times per revolution. The ninja uses a "wasted spark" type ignition wherein both plugs fire at the same time: once at BTDC and another one at BBDC. As such, the plug firing frequency is double the engine rpm and you need to consider this when you do your programming. Proof of this is there's only 1 piece of trigger coil and it's for both cylinders.

The signal going to the tach is a negative-going pulse (from +12v) and it is the same signal going to the ignition coil. Be careful when you tap off of this wire because the flyback voltage of the ignition coil (NOT the voltage to the sparkplug) is a few hundred volts and it will easily fry the input ports of your processor if you connect it directly. Some signal conditioning is required.

Gear indicator: You kept mentioning "switches" and you place these inside the sprocket cover. So do you have a cam mounted on the shifter to activate these switches, or are you using magnetic switches? So 2 switches goes inside the cover, one for upshift and the other one for downshift, right?

Congratulations on the gear indicator!!!

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ninja250 · August 16th, 2011, 03:11 PM

There is already a lobe on the bike outside the sprocket cover that can be sensed when you shift.
The ball attached to the shift rod with a clamp. I sense the clamp with limit switches. I also have a neutral tap so I know when I'm in neutral.

The gauge does not missfire, but if it does it resets next time you hit neutral.
It's a hands free operation. If I add features that you can program, I will make it so you can program by using shifting inputs while the bike is turned off.

So far it already has a potentiometer onboard I can use to select what it does if I want using the programming. That will be used for RPM shift light selection though later. You'll turn the dial, the digit will read the RPM you selected, and then the LED will fire when it's time to shift as the bike hit that RPM.

I have a plan for the input already... it's sort of tricky..
all the hardware is onboard already. I just have to do the program part of the shift light.

People that want to modify or update their program can do so by purchasing the programming kit or send it back to me and I'll do it and send it back. The kit to program these chips is $100... and then needs a custom connector to fit my gauges. the programming package I use is outdated... I'm not even sure how to do it with the new USB system they use but haven't tried. I have a serial system and old software.. but they work just fine obviously.

jdoucet93 · August 16th, 2011, 07:06 PM

my bike is green

ninja250 · August 17th, 2011, 07:33 AM

Here's my Schematic.. Minus the RPM circuit I am working on now and one or two minor changes not shown.
I'll get a wiring diagram up later.

ninja250 · August 17th, 2011, 07:43 AM

Going to get the switches and fuses today. Found the screws last night.. saved some money. Waiting for the final pieces to arrive. Then I'll make the switch brackets and waterproof them.

adri99an · August 17th, 2011, 07:50 AM

Donger likey schematic!
Posted via Mobile Device

Havok · August 17th, 2011, 08:06 AM

If you are still looking to have people test them I am more then happy to put one on my 250.

DjDiablo · August 17th, 2011, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Going to get the switches and fuses today. Found the screws last night.. saved some money. Waiting for the final pieces to arrive. Then I'll make the switch brackets and waterproof them.

Well i was thinkg of puting on the original panel of the bike... just by the fuel indicator (here in brasil is the temperature, since we dont have fuel indicator).

By the way... do u think u could help me get a fuel indicator on my bike?
I got the FI bikes...
and all we got on that model is a light that tels us that u are almost out o f gas!!!!

I also asked if since i am in brasil and we work in km(kilometers) and not miles, if u have to do any changes for the shifting light to work???

Looking forword for testing it!!!

ninja250 · August 17th, 2011, 06:11 PM

I don't think any changes will be necessary for miles or KMh.

Not sure about a fuel gauge.
Do you know if your tank has the sensor on it?

Just picked up all the switches and fuses for each unit.

Quote:

If you are still looking to have people test them I am more then happy to put one on my 250.

We're just past the testing stage. Now we're to the first public trial run!

I tested the second one out today and no problems to speak of!

DjDiablo · August 17th, 2011, 06:14 PM

As far as i know there is a sensor...
dont realy know how it works...
what i know is that when it is almost empty it stat to light a light on the panel warning me that i hava almost no fuel

ninja250 · August 17th, 2011, 10:27 PM

Almost have everything together for 5 kits.
I need to make switch brackets and I'm waiting on digits and processors in the mail. Just about all caught up.

Straight after these are done and shipped I'm going to the RPM addition.
Doesn't look like much but dang that cost me a grip of money to produce. lol
I hope you guys are good at installations. This one will test your patience/skill but I can assure you it works when I install it.. and quite well.

I drove it around today for three hours in 100* weather with no problems even though it runs hot.
I was really pleased with the visibility in the bright sun! I put it down in the fairing some and could see it all day no problem.

headshrink · August 17th, 2011, 11:57 PM

What is the RPM addition?

EDIT: Just re-read a couple posts up.
Does V1.0 still give the ability to adjust the shift point relative to RPM? I gathered V1.0 & V2.0 functionally do the same thing, with 2.0 having an easier way to set the shift point.... Did I get that right?

wellcraft · August 18th, 2011, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja250

The next one will be super bright white.
I have a white LED that is three times as bright as the blue or green. lol 7000mcd vs 2000mcd

The first five people to get them will each get a different color LED and maybe even each some different program lines?

I think I also have amber and yellow after the white I forget.

I can't complete any more until more parts come but I'm working around those parts and finishing up what I can ahead of time. Gotta go get switches pretty soon. I have the switch screws around here too have to find them so I don't have to buy more.

Please, count me in for the first run. I commute every day around 50 miles so I can give you a lot of report.

Very.interested in one.

ninja250 · August 18th, 2011, 05:12 AM

For now the gauge only displays current gear, and the LED fires when the gauge detects a shift. (just a little visual indicator you made a complete shift for now)

Later, the LED will be adjustable to fire when you want to shift at your desired RPM.

The hardware is included already with the gauge onboard, I just have to add a program later for the shift light to work. For now it's just on there looking good and letting you know if you turn the bike on without being in neutral. Will explain more later.

EsrTek · August 18th, 2011, 10:15 AM

Sounds good man.. thanks for the time and effort put into getting these to work !!

key3thermal · August 18th, 2011, 12:38 PM

awesome, i better be the first person on the second run!

ninja250 · August 18th, 2011, 08:38 PM

It looks as though there will be one freed up if anyone is interested.
The question is which one of you.

I believe Alex is going to set up a group buy shift gauge thread but leave this thread here for tech support when you guys get the gauges and need install help. If that's what he decides to do.

Discussion of the selling of the gauges has to be kept to the market place from now on.

Alex · August 18th, 2011, 08:43 PM

For sale thread ---> here

jdoucet93 · August 28th, 2011, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil7153

I might have missed it, but how exactly are these installed? Are they plug and play or have to do some technical wiring?

this should answer just about any questions you have
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=82970

PlaneGuy · September 3rd, 2011, 09:29 PM

Sorry for the late post. I am new to the forum. I build stuff like this too. I have a complete hot air reflow SMD rework bench at home if you need some help getting boards stuffed.

BTW, if you want a clean, reliable source of RPM info, pick off one of the stator windings in the alternator. No potential high-voltage spikes you need to clamp.

I did look through and try to find what you were using as a gear position sensor but must have missed it.

I am interested but have one of the older carbureted ninjettes (2006).

ninja250 · September 7th, 2011, 10:23 PM

Cool!
Perhaps you actually can be of some help at some point.
Sorry, missed your post for a bit there. We can set you up on the pre-gen too, I don't see why not.
I wouldn't mind having a pregen myself now, like the one they tried to sell me back in '05.

I'm in the middle of gathering resources to complete the second step of the programming now but a good chunk of assembly is sure to follow.

I have actually installed a few gauges on bikes by now that work.
Friday I have another appointment to finish up Adrian's In-Dash gauge after which I'll try and get more video.

Tomorrow have to catch up with crap around home and Sat have more work to do on Sixe'rs bike.
I think sunday or Monday I can come back to the gauges to present what I have completed.

Busy Busy Busy.
The fishing club is wondering where I've been!

icbm · January 14th, 2012, 06:10 PM

Are these being made anymore?

ninja250 · January 14th, 2012, 06:26 PM

I haven't made any more of the ones I was making for a while.

For some reason unknown to me, they were working on some people's bikes and not others'.

One of these days, I need to build a more reliable version.
I think it was something to do with my power regulator design on the board.
The program I wrote seemed to work great.

I may get working on them again one day if there is enough interest.
I think there is people making them in China now to fit any bike though and selling them on ebay.
If they work, I can't compete with China.

I put several hundred bucks into this project and ended up getting nowhere with it.
If I could get somebody to help fund a third and better working version, I'd give it a go.

corksil · January 21st, 2014, 03:08 PM

Dead in the water?

headshrink · January 21st, 2014, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corksil

Dead in the water?

He hasn't been heard from since..... hope he's ok.

DuplexUno · February 18th, 2014, 02:08 AM

has this been finished yet because i would be interested in one

headshrink · February 18th, 2014, 02:20 AM

The project was terminated long ago.

He couldn't source parts for less than what the ebay indicator sells for in a smaller package.... with China and all.

DuplexUno · February 18th, 2014, 02:35 AM

Damn

headshrink · February 18th, 2014, 02:57 AM

Get the ebay one. It's a little better for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost (but no shift light).

Hunsy34 · February 19th, 2014, 08:19 PM

Link to the ones on ebay?

August 16th, 2011, 02:12 PM	#122
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	When the first five are finished I will take pre-order payments for the next set. I may have to... to buy the parts. Not until the first five are done. This is the test run.. I may also send you guys upgrades later or new gauges. I have tons of ideas but trying to keep it basic for now and make sure it works. Hard enough just to finish a few for now. It works on my bike. If you guys can install the pick up switches exactly right on the sprocket cover and tap into your harness and neutral lines, it'll work on yours also. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 16th, 2011, 02:14 PM	#123
Kevin2109 KThanksBye Name: Kevin Location: Orange County Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 zx636r Posts: A lot.	KC What is the power output of the LED? Or can it be hooked to some sort of relay? I have an Idea for the shift light LEDs! __________________________________________________ ----> My Youtube! <---- Unregistered, watch my youtube page!

August 16th, 2011, 02:37 PM	#124
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	You can hook the output to a transistor pair which can drive a heavier current load, and then to a relay. The output is ttL level digital signal for that LED. On off 5V, but it's only like 35mah. In other words, yes. lol __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 16th, 2011, 03:11 PM	#126
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	There is already a lobe on the bike outside the sprocket cover that can be sensed when you shift. The ball attached to the shift rod with a clamp. I sense the clamp with limit switches. I also have a neutral tap so I know when I'm in neutral. The gauge does not missfire, but if it does it resets next time you hit neutral. It's a hands free operation. If I add features that you can program, I will make it so you can program by using shifting inputs while the bike is turned off. So far it already has a potentiometer onboard I can use to select what it does if I want using the programming. That will be used for RPM shift light selection though later. You'll turn the dial, the digit will read the RPM you selected, and then the LED will fire when it's time to shift as the bike hit that RPM. I have a plan for the input already... it's sort of tricky.. all the hardware is onboard already. I just have to do the program part of the shift light. People that want to modify or update their program can do so by purchasing the programming kit or send it back to me and I'll do it and send it back. The kit to program these chips is $100... and then needs a custom connector to fit my gauges. the programming package I use is outdated... I'm not even sure how to do it with the new USB system they use but haven't tried. I have a serial system and old software.. but they work just fine obviously. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 17th, 2011, 07:33 AM	#128
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Here's my Schematic.. Minus the RPM circuit I am working on now and one or two minor changes not shown. I'll get a wiring diagram up later. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 16th, 2011, 02:09 PM	#121
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	I don't care about color, just seeing that I don't have to shift to the elusive #7 gear is good with me. I too can pre-pay if it would help at all!

August 16th, 2011, 07:06 PM	#127
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	my bike is green

August 17th, 2011, 07:43 AM	#129
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Going to get the switches and fuses today. Found the screws last night.. saved some money. Waiting for the final pieces to arrive. Then I'll make the switch brackets and waterproof them. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 17th, 2011, 07:50 AM	#130
adri99an ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Donger Location: So CAL Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): "Is that a Ninjer 1000?" Posts: A lot.	Donger likey schematic! Posted via Mobile Device

August 17th, 2011, 08:06 AM	#131
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	If you are still looking to have people test them I am more then happy to put one on my 250.

August 17th, 2011, 06:14 PM	#134
DjDiablo ninjette.org member Name: Djalma Location: Curitiba-PR BRASIL Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2010 - FI - Blue Posts: 90	As far as i know there is a sensor... dont realy know how it works... what i know is that when it is almost empty it stat to light a light on the panel warning me that i hava almost no fuel

August 17th, 2011, 10:27 PM	#135
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Almost have everything together for 5 kits. I need to make switch brackets and I'm waiting on digits and processors in the mail. Just about all caught up. Straight after these are done and shipped I'm going to the RPM addition. Doesn't look like much but dang that cost me a grip of money to produce. lol I hope you guys are good at installations. This one will test your patience/skill but I can assure you it works when I install it.. and quite well. I drove it around today for three hours in 100* weather with no problems even though it runs hot. I was really pleased with the visibility in the bright sun! I put it down in the fairing some and could see it all day no problem. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 17th, 2011, 11:57 PM	#136
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	What is the RPM addition? EDIT: Just re-read a couple posts up. Does V1.0 still give the ability to adjust the shift point relative to RPM? I gathered V1.0 & V2.0 functionally do the same thing, with 2.0 having an easier way to set the shift point.... Did I get that right? __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

August 18th, 2011, 05:12 AM	#138
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	For now the gauge only displays current gear, and the LED fires when the gauge detects a shift. (just a little visual indicator you made a complete shift for now) Later, the LED will be adjustable to fire when you want to shift at your desired RPM. The hardware is included already with the gauge onboard, I just have to add a program later for the shift light to work. For now it's just on there looking good and letting you know if you turn the bike on without being in neutral. Will explain more later. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 18th, 2011, 10:15 AM	#139
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	Sounds good man.. thanks for the time and effort put into getting these to work !!

August 18th, 2011, 12:38 PM	#140
key3thermal ninjette.org member Name: Wajeeh Location: Toronto, Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Blue Posts: 55	awesome, i better be the first person on the second run!

August 18th, 2011, 08:38 PM	#141
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	It looks as though there will be one freed up if anyone is interested. The question is which one of you. I believe Alex is going to set up a group buy shift gauge thread but leave this thread here for tech support when you guys get the gauges and need install help. If that's what he decides to do. Discussion of the selling of the gauges has to be kept to the market place from now on. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

August 18th, 2011, 08:43 PM	#142
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	For sale thread ---> here __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 3rd, 2011, 09:29 PM	#144
PlaneGuy Annoying gadfly Name: Brian Location: Cameron Park, CA Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja EX250R Posts: 52 Blog Entries: 5	Sorry for the late post. I am new to the forum. I build stuff like this too. I have a complete hot air reflow SMD rework bench at home if you need some help getting boards stuffed. BTW, if you want a clean, reliable source of RPM info, pick off one of the stator windings in the alternator. No potential high-voltage spikes you need to clamp. I did look through and try to find what you were using as a gear position sensor but must have missed it. I am interested but have one of the older carbureted ninjettes (2006). __________________________________________________ Brian -- World domination through science!

September 7th, 2011, 10:23 PM	#145
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Cool! Perhaps you actually can be of some help at some point. Sorry, missed your post for a bit there. We can set you up on the pre-gen too, I don't see why not. I wouldn't mind having a pregen myself now, like the one they tried to sell me back in '05. I'm in the middle of gathering resources to complete the second step of the programming now but a good chunk of assembly is sure to follow. I have actually installed a few gauges on bikes by now that work. Friday I have another appointment to finish up Adrian's In-Dash gauge after which I'll try and get more video. Tomorrow have to catch up with crap around home and Sat have more work to do on Sixe'rs bike. I think sunday or Monday I can come back to the gauges to present what I have completed. Busy Busy Busy. The fishing club is wondering where I've been! __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

January 14th, 2012, 06:10 PM	#146
icbm ninjette.org member Name: Steve Location: New Mexico Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, 2006 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R, 2004 Kawasaki ZRX1200R, 1985 Kawasaki 750 Turbo Posts: 118	Are these being made anymore?

January 14th, 2012, 06:26 PM	#147
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	I haven't made any more of the ones I was making for a while. For some reason unknown to me, they were working on some people's bikes and not others'. One of these days, I need to build a more reliable version. I think it was something to do with my power regulator design on the board. The program I wrote seemed to work great. I may get working on them again one day if there is enough interest. I think there is people making them in China now to fit any bike though and selling them on ebay. If they work, I can't compete with China. I put several hundred bucks into this project and ended up getting nowhere with it. If I could get somebody to help fund a third and better working version, I'd give it a go. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

January 21st, 2014, 03:08 PM	#148
corksil ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: TC Location: Hawaii Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): A lot. Posts: A lot.	Dead in the water?

February 18th, 2014, 02:08 AM	#150
DuplexUno ninjette.org member Name: Arno Location: New Zealand Join Date: Feb 2014 Motorcycle(s): CharlesdiubsOB Posts: 12	has this been finished yet because i would be interested in one

February 18th, 2014, 02:20 AM	#151
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	The project was terminated long ago. He couldn't source parts for less than what the ebay indicator sells for in a smaller package.... with China and all. __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

February 18th, 2014, 02:35 AM	#152
DuplexUno ninjette.org member Name: Arno Location: New Zealand Join Date: Feb 2014 Motorcycle(s): CharlesdiubsOB Posts: 12	Damn

February 18th, 2014, 02:57 AM	#153
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Get the ebay one. It's a little better for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost (but no shift light). __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

February 19th, 2014, 08:19 PM	#154
Hunsy34 ninjette.org member Name: Jason Location: Doylestown, PA Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 2016 Ninja 300 1994 KTM 300 EXC Posts: 123	Link to the ones on ebay?

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