Body armor in (A) star jacket.

[fishdip]

So taking a leather (A) jacket removing the crapy foam pad and replacing with this.
http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armo...l#.VTMGu03wufA


Id think it work just as well as the hard plastic bionic armor they have but will also stop bullets.

[fishdip]

Any one?

[csmith12]

I got nothin' brah. No experience with the product.

[Ghostt]

My 2¢,

I wouldn't, it's just a trauma plate, no energy absorption properties, useless in a motorcycle accident.

There is a reason for CE rating system, part of which is absorbing, and dissipating the impact energy.

I personally have this installed in a number of my jackets

https://www.bohnarmor.com/catalog/pr...?prod=KAJACKET

[ninjamunky85]

It's only a 1/4" thick, weighs 5 lbs, and is designed to stop bullets. Why do you think this would make good motorcycle armor?

[Ghostt]

I would suggest you and other members read this, it might help,

CE "Certified" vs. "Approved"? There Is a Difference.
by Rick K. for webBikeWorld.com

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

It's only a 1/4" thick, weighs 5 lbs, and is designed to stop bullets. Why do you think this would make good motorcycle armor?

I live around a lot of shity areas with car jacking and robbery happens often. If I start shooting and they shoot back id like to have some impact protection. Id but id still like it to stand up to a crash.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

I wouldn't, it's just a trauma plate, no energy absorption properties

I dunno man... energy absorption and displacement is 99% how these types of products work to stop a bullet. However, there may be some merit to what you are saying in terms of how they deform upon impact. Cone shape vs. mushroom.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

My 2¢,

I wouldn't, it's just a trauma plate, no energy absorption properties, useless in a motorcycle accident.

There is a reason for CE rating system, part of which is absorbing, and dissipating the impact energy.

I personally have this installed in a number of my jackets

https://www.bohnarmor.com/catalog/pr...?prod=KAJACKET

The way its stopping around is absorbing and displacing the impact energy. They also make a flex one.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by csmith12

I dunno man... energy absorption and displacement is 99% how these types of products work to stop a bullet. However, there may be some merit to what you are saying in terms of how they deform upon impact. Cone shape vs. mushroom.

True.

[Ghostt]

It's a trauma plate, plain and simple, it just slows down and hopefully stops the bullet, the energy is not dissipated one bit. Pit a steel plate on you chest the have someone hit it with a hammer, etc....

A trauma plate is used in soft body armor, like Kevlar vests, which it is installed on the outside of the vest, leaving the underlying Kevlar to dissipate the energy, somewhat.

Being from a law enforcement background myself, having worn a Kevlar vest with trauma plate installed, having taken a few hits, I can tell **** really hurts, bruising, broken ribs, etc... I know it's beats then taken the bullet without protection, but remember any decent rifle is going thru it, best you can hope for is it slows it down enough, which in most cases it doesn't.

If your truly worried about getting shot, etc.... Go buy a level III vest, but remember you head does make a nice target too.

Why do you think some agencies train for head shots.

BTW nothing is bulletproof, it's all bullet resistance, I just need a bigger and better bullet, take my word on that.

[csmith12]

Hmmm.... off to do some homework.

[ninjamunky85]

Originally Posted by fishdip

I live around a lot of shity areas with car jacking and robbery happens often. If I start shooting and they shoot back id like to have some impact protection. Id but id still like it to stand up to a crash.

I suggest you move to another area.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

BTW nothing is bulletproof, it's all bullet resistance, I just need a bigger and better bullet, take my word on that.

I assure you... you don't need to tell me this. There is always a bigger bullet.

[Ghostt]

Originally Posted by csmith12

I assure you... you don't need to tell me this. There is always a bigger bullet.

Told ya'

I did an impromptu demonstration on a NYC subway token booth one night, the "Bulletproof" Lexan lost to my H&K G3.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by Ghostt

It's a trauma plate, plain and simple, it just slows down and hopefully stops the bullet, the energy is not dissipated one bit. Pit a steel plate on you chest the have someone hit it with a hammer, etc....

A trauma plate is used in soft body armor, like Kevlar vests, which it is installed on the outside of the vest, leaving the underlying Kevlar to dissipate the energy, somewhat.

Being from a law enforcement background myself, having worn a Kevlar vest with trauma plate installed, having taken a few hits, I can tell **** really hurts, bruising, broken ribs, etc... I know it's beats then taken the bullet without protection, but remember any decent rifle is going thru it, best you can hope for is it slows it down enough, which in most cases it doesn't.

If your truly worried about getting shot, etc.... Go buy a level III vest, but remember you head does make a nice target too.

Why do you think some agencies train for head shots.

BTW nothing is bulletproof, it's all bullet resistance, I just need a bigger and better bullet, take my word on that.

I spent 4 years in the army as a B13 you nothing more impressive then feeling the ground move with artillery fire.

[Ghostt]

Originally Posted by fishdip

I spent 4 years in the army as a B13 you nothing more impressive then feeling the ground move with artillery fire.

True dat, and thank you for your service.

[cadd]

At least if someone hits you with a 762 round (AK47?), you'll live to talk about it. I don't know man. It just looks really uncomfortable and hot for the summer.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by cadd

At least if someone hits you with a 762 round (AK47?), you'll live to talk about it. I don't know man. It just looks really uncomfortable and hot for the summer.

Yes 7.62 Is a AK round and a few other guns.

[tfkrocks]

I've worn plates. I would never want to wear them on a motorcycle. I feel like impact-wise, hitting the plates upon crashing would hurt as much as just hitting the ground.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by tfkrocks

I've worn plates. I would never want to wear them on a motorcycle. I feel like impact-wise, hitting the plates upon crashing would hurt as much as just hitting the ground.

True. They do offer a soft plate for a lot more.

[fishdip]

And this is why: Not one but two states I travel in. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ooting-n424921

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...-berthoud-exit

[asdfman]

If you're worried about getting shot on your bike, maybe you can get a motorcycle back protector insert for your jacket and then wear the trauma plate over it? Carry it in a backpack or something lol.

[spooph]

I would THINK that the soft plate would be a reasonable alternative to the back protector in the jacket, however, your front wouldn't be covered, which would mean getting a vest anyway. Wearing a vest then, it might be a better idea to simply remove the back protector out of the motor jacket. I mean, it's there to protect your spine if in case you hit something with your back while crashing. The soft plate would absorb that energy to some extent, but not as much as CE armor. On the other hand, CE armor obviously isn't tough enough to handle a bullet.

I'm sure this is what everybody meant, but just to set the records straight, body armor does absorb the energy of a bullet. Not all, but that which it does is transferred into heat. The rest remains kinetic energy that transfer through the plate into the wearer's body and that breaks bones and such.

To apply this to a motorcycle crash, whether the force comes from sliding and hitting a pole and is dissipated by a CE spine protector, or from a bullet and is dissipated by a soft armor plate, they are both going to be better than nothing. Obviously a hard plate comes with it's own risks as it could get caught on something and the jacket's ability to retain it might not be enough, turning it itself into a projectile.