Saw someone go down

Old Lemon · September 23rd, 2012, 12:31 PM

Today I went riding with like 6 other bikes. I was 2nd in line and we were coming around a pretty sharp left hander with a truck pulling a trailer in the on coming lane. Of course he is already on the double yellow. I was close to the double yellow but not on it, enough to make me go o sheet and try to widen my turn.

I pushed the right handle bar and i guess because of the counter steering effect the bike first went more left and i scraped my peg. After that im thinking this truck is gonna make someone crash. I look in my mirror and see someone go down.

He said that he saw me wobble and stopped looking through the turn and looked at me, noticed he was going a bit wide and leaned a bit more. He then said that he ran over something like dirt or leaves and it made his tire slip out from under him like he was on ice. He was fine, almost all of us had suits on, he was one of them. The bike hit the guard rail but im not sure if he did or not. Lost his gear shift peg, front brakes, and just a lot of plastics were scraped and flown off.

I didnt have my gopro today because i kinda broke it yesterday. but he had his gopros but it was the first time ive met him and i probably wont be able to find it.

Jiggles · September 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM

A truck on the double yellow is very detrimental to motorcycles, I mean, its not like you have an entire lane or anything

ryan.chin · September 23rd, 2012, 01:26 PM

God you're a huge dick. Lol.

Motofool · September 23rd, 2012, 03:22 PM

Good that everyone is OK.

Priority in street blind turns is to see as far ahead as possible; everything else is secondary.

For left turns, we should stick to the right curb until we can see that it is safe going for that apex.

Sometimes conditions make us just follow the exterior radius all the curve until the end (no apex but no fall), nothing wrong with that.

Luvninja · September 23rd, 2012, 04:08 PM

To the OP, glad you were able to react and glad the other rider was OK. What was the downed rider riding?

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

A truck on the double yellow is very detrimental to motorcycles, I mean, its not like you have an entire lane or anything

Biggest TROLL on ninjette, rarely funny, consistently an asshole.

Jiggles · September 23rd, 2012, 04:13 PM

Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow"

Little Green Machine · September 23rd, 2012, 04:21 PM

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Biggest TROLL on ninjette, rarely funny, consistently an asshole.

lowdown112 · September 23rd, 2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvninja

To the OP, glad you were able to react and glad the other rider was OK. What was the downed rider riding?

JIGGLES

Biggest TROLL on ninjette, rarely funny, consistently an asshole.

Agree!

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DennyV · September 23rd, 2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow"

Troll... if you read the guy didnt cash because of the truck.. he lost focus because he saw Michael wobble, this is the same reason why no brake lights are allowed on the track. Michael was this Garry's ride? I read on FB that a guy named Jose crashed

Alex · September 23rd, 2012, 06:37 PM

Michael - it's not your fault anyone else crashed. If a rider loses focus for any reason, it's on them. We all need to be 100% aware of the conditions that our own bike is going through, and while it's interesting what's happening to the bikes in front of us, nothing they do should in any way increase the risk of us crashing. If anything, we should have a small bit of advance warning of some hazards, as long as we leave enough space to the rider ahead to have enough time to react.

The rider in this case crashed because of inexperience. The OP here was lucky not to crash, but if it took a last minute swerve and a lean that put pegs to the asphalt to save at the last second, it sounds like your lane position wasn't great. Jiggles leaves out the subtlety, but like it or not, his point is sound. In all corners, you need to prepare for what could be around your sightline, and position the bike locationally and speedwise in a place that minimizes the risk until you can see further. Because every once in awhile, there will be a truck on that yellow line.

wdhansewd · September 23rd, 2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow"

Sorry to say this but I currently drive rigs and I am a 3rd generation driver, been around them all of my life and I can speak from experience the trailer on a rig has a mind of its own. They can off track on any kind of curve or "dog leg", doesn't matter if its empty or loaded. So no matter how much lane the opposing
traffic has a slight bump can cause the trailer to move over and clip people.

Jiggles · September 23rd, 2012, 07:04 PM

^ Yes but as a motorcycle you have the entire lane to use, this is stressed in the MSF. If you are riding in the twisties at a pace that would make your heart jump if you see a car on the double yellow then you are outriding your skill level and should slow down. It's not a track, don't treat it like one.

When I ride alone I slow down because I can't see around that next corner, I don't know if theres a car stopped or there was an accident or poor akima had her brains splattered across the road making it slippery, so I ride at a pace that allows me to react to the circumstances. In a group when there's people in front of me I will ride a lot faster and use their "sight" I prefer to ride behind someone who is more experienced and can handle unforeseen circumstances at that speed, they act as a buffer for me.

It's clear that Captain Lay It Down here was outriding his comfort zone. Same with the guy behind him. You need to be prepared for that truck around the corner, or that deer, or oil spill

Old Lemon · September 23rd, 2012, 07:17 PM

@Luvninja he was riding a gsxr 600 @DennyV yes this was garys ride

I guess i should point out i was past the truck it self, and the back corner of the trailer was poking out more than the truck itself. I knew it was there, i was kinda close to the truck already, didnt really bother me, but then the trailer came up and did bother me a little. I appreciate everyones advice (even jiggles) and i think none of this would have happened had i entered the turn more in the right of the lane. I entered it in like the middle rightish part if that makes sense.

Old Lemon · September 23rd, 2012, 08:01 PM

and i just saw on the face books that he did indeed get some crash footage. he had a go pro on the left side of his front fender, and one on his wrist looking outwards. idk why he has it on his wrist soooooo dont ask me

Gurk · September 24th, 2012, 12:24 AM

Sorry to admit but Jigglet has a point. Us riders tend to blame everything but ourselves most of the time. I know the rider in question isn't the OP. But then again that rider crashed cause of his own mistake too anyway.

Domagoj · September 24th, 2012, 01:10 AM

I have great respect for big truck drivers. In 99% of cases they do nothing wrong. Those things are huge, and on some roads it takes a lot of skill to keep them in the lane. When I see it with 3 inches of "spare" space from both sides, all I can say is respect.

Among other things, this is why speed limits are set so low at some spots.

In any case, this is a perfect example of the stuff which made me stop riding on public roads for fun. There is simply no fun in it. Either you are near death constantly, or you are riding like a granny.

And this is why I dislike group rides. It is my belief that whenever there is more than one person present, that "shared responsibility" effect kicks in. When you are alone, you have eyes everywhere and you are careful. In groups you believe in the guy in front. That's not the way to go.

psych0hans · September 24th, 2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow"

speak the truth, he does. the force is strong in this boy...

P.s. I'm glad it wasn't worse... It's very easy to panic due to oncoming traffic, especially when you aren't expecting it.... Ask me how I know

ai4px · September 26th, 2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow"

Well gee... when the car is right on the double yellow, where the hell am I supposed to lean? I mean, really my tires remain on my side of the road, but in a left turn, they have got to leave room for my torso and head in their lane.

psych0hans · September 27th, 2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ai4px

Well gee... when the car is right on the double yellow, where the hell am I supposed to lean? I mean, really my tires remain on my side of the road, but in a left turn, they have got to leave room for my torso and head in their lane.

That's the point bro, you aren't supposed to ride the roads like the track... If you wanted to lean your line should have been the centre of YOUR side of the road, just to take into account oncoming traffic. I almost had a head on with some asshole overtaking in my lane. I was taking a sharp blind left hander. But that's what happens on the street and you have to anticipate that. It's your ass on the line, not the cage's

Alex · September 27th, 2012, 06:24 AM

(I believe he was kidding)

psych0hans · September 27th, 2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

(I believe he was kidding)

Now that you mention it...

I'm an idiot...

Minikin_Jo · September 27th, 2012, 08:58 AM

I don't particularly care to ride with this group.

I guess you keep up fine with them @Old Lemon but they are not my style for group riding.

Old Lemon · September 27th, 2012, 09:09 AM

not on the highway i dont, they completely lost me and the guy on the red cbr. but the cbr guy wasnt trying to go that fast and he stayed with me.

Minikin_Jo · September 27th, 2012, 09:14 AM

That's my friend's husband. He just started riding this summer. Sounds like he was looking out for you. I'm glad to hear that at least.

September 23rd, 2012, 12:31 PM	#1
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Saw someone go down Today I went riding with like 6 other bikes. I was 2nd in line and we were coming around a pretty sharp left hander with a truck pulling a trailer in the on coming lane. Of course he is already on the double yellow. I was close to the double yellow but not on it, enough to make me go o sheet and try to widen my turn. I pushed the right handle bar and i guess because of the counter steering effect the bike first went more left and i scraped my peg. After that im thinking this truck is gonna make someone crash. I look in my mirror and see someone go down. He said that he saw me wobble and stopped looking through the turn and looked at me, noticed he was going a bit wide and leaned a bit more. He then said that he ran over something like dirt or leaves and it made his tire slip out from under him like he was on ice. He was fine, almost all of us had suits on, he was one of them. The bike hit the guard rail but im not sure if he did or not. Lost his gear shift peg, front brakes, and just a lot of plastics were scraped and flown off. I didnt have my gopro today because i kinda broke it yesterday. but he had his gopros but it was the first time ive met him and i probably wont be able to find it.

September 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM	#2
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	A truck on the double yellow is very detrimental to motorcycles, I mean, its not like you have an entire lane or anything __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 23rd, 2012, 01:26 PM	#3
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September 23rd, 2012, 03:22 PM	#4
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Good that everyone is OK. Priority in street blind turns is to see as far ahead as possible; everything else is secondary. For left turns, we should stick to the right curb until we can see that it is safe going for that apex. Sometimes conditions make us just follow the exterior radius all the curve until the end (no apex but no fall), nothing wrong with that. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

September 23rd, 2012, 04:13 PM	#6
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Not trolling at all. Motorcyclists like to blame cars for being too close to the yellow line. You have an entire lane if you are hugging the double yellow and aren't ready for a car coming around that blind corner then its your own fault. You want to ride the twisties like a track you better be ready for the obstacles that are associated with it and not blame an accident on "A car that was too close to the double yellow" __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 23rd, 2012, 06:37 PM	#10
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Michael - it's not your fault anyone else crashed. If a rider loses focus for any reason, it's on them. We all need to be 100% aware of the conditions that our own bike is going through, and while it's interesting what's happening to the bikes in front of us, nothing they do should in any way increase the risk of us crashing. If anything, we should have a small bit of advance warning of some hazards, as long as we leave enough space to the rider ahead to have enough time to react. The rider in this case crashed because of inexperience. The OP here was lucky not to crash, but if it took a last minute swerve and a lean that put pegs to the asphalt to save at the last second, it sounds like your lane position wasn't great. Jiggles leaves out the subtlety, but like it or not, his point is sound. In all corners, you need to prepare for what could be around your sightline, and position the bike locationally and speedwise in a place that minimizes the risk until you can see further. Because every once in awhile, there will be a truck on that yellow line. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 23rd, 2012, 07:04 PM	#12
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	^ Yes but as a motorcycle you have the entire lane to use, this is stressed in the MSF. If you are riding in the twisties at a pace that would make your heart jump if you see a car on the double yellow then you are outriding your skill level and should slow down. It's not a track, don't treat it like one. When I ride alone I slow down because I can't see around that next corner, I don't know if theres a car stopped or there was an accident or poor akima had her brains splattered across the road making it slippery, so I ride at a pace that allows me to react to the circumstances. In a group when there's people in front of me I will ride a lot faster and use their "sight" I prefer to ride behind someone who is more experienced and can handle unforeseen circumstances at that speed, they act as a buffer for me. It's clear that Captain Lay It Down here was outriding his comfort zone. Same with the guy behind him. You need to be prepared for that truck around the corner, or that deer, or oil spill __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 23rd, 2012, 07:17 PM	#13
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	@Luvninja he was riding a gsxr 600 @DennyV yes this was garys ride I guess i should point out i was past the truck it self, and the back corner of the trailer was poking out more than the truck itself. I knew it was there, i was kinda close to the truck already, didnt really bother me, but then the trailer came up and did bother me a little. I appreciate everyones advice (even jiggles) and i think none of this would have happened had i entered the turn more in the right of the lane. I entered it in like the middle rightish part if that makes sense.

September 23rd, 2012, 08:01 PM	#14
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	and i just saw on the face books that he did indeed get some crash footage. he had a go pro on the left side of his front fender, and one on his wrist looking outwards. idk why he has it on his wrist soooooo dont ask me

September 24th, 2012, 12:24 AM	#15
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	Sorry to admit but Jigglet has a point. Us riders tend to blame everything but ourselves most of the time. I know the rider in question isn't the OP. But then again that rider crashed cause of his own mistake too anyway.

September 24th, 2012, 01:10 AM	#16
Domagoj ninjette.org guru Name: Domagoj Location: Rijeka, Croatia Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r 2009 Posts: 396	I have great respect for big truck drivers. In 99% of cases they do nothing wrong. Those things are huge, and on some roads it takes a lot of skill to keep them in the lane. When I see it with 3 inches of "spare" space from both sides, all I can say is respect. Among other things, this is why speed limits are set so low at some spots. In any case, this is a perfect example of the stuff which made me stop riding on public roads for fun. There is simply no fun in it. Either you are near death constantly, or you are riding like a granny. And this is why I dislike group rides. It is my belief that whenever there is more than one person present, that "shared responsibility" effect kicks in. When you are alone, you have eyes everywhere and you are careful. In groups you believe in the guy in front. That's not the way to go.

September 27th, 2012, 06:24 AM	#20
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	(I believe he was kidding) __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 27th, 2012, 08:58 AM	#22
Minikin_Jo ninjette.org sage Name: Jo Location: Howard County, MD Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 528	I don't particularly care to ride with this group. I guess you keep up fine with them @Old Lemon but they are not my style for group riding. __________________________________________________ I'm not short, I'm concentrated AWESOME!

September 27th, 2012, 09:09 AM	#23
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	not on the highway i dont, they completely lost me and the guy on the red cbr. but the cbr guy wasnt trying to go that fast and he stayed with me.

September 27th, 2012, 09:14 AM	#24
Minikin_Jo ninjette.org sage Name: Jo Location: Howard County, MD Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 528	That's my friend's husband. He just started riding this summer. Sounds like he was looking out for you. I'm glad to hear that at least. __________________________________________________ I'm not short, I'm concentrated AWESOME!