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October 17th, 2012, 06:22 AM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Ross
Location: NoVA
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Adrenaline starts rushing...
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Knee guards on... Rain pants on... Boots on... Jacket on... ear plugs in... helmet liner on... helmet on... gloves on... START YOUR ENGINE! (Adrenalin rush stops briefly due to the pathetic sound) visor down... I feel I'm heading to a race everyday and I just can't get enough! On a side note, I'm somehow delaying my purchase of Subaru BRZ because I feel it will just sit in my garage with little use. I used to be a real sports car type but somehow lost interest in them due to riding. I'm being called a hard-core rider at work now because I ride all year long. Only ice can stop me.
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October 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM
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October 17th, 2012, 06:51 AM
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Name: Scott
Location: Atlanta
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October 17th, 2012, 07:25 AM
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Name: Fox
Location: Boston
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i hear ya. I own an 09 wrx that i've dumped quite a bit of money into. It just sits in my garage, because I ride every day.
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October 17th, 2012, 08:30 AM
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Name: Hernan
Location: Florida
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October 17th, 2012, 08:42 AM
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Fighting Texas Aggie '05
Name: Neil
Location: Hutto, TX
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October 17th, 2012, 02:31 PM
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Get the BRZ!!! It's always a nice backup to have a sporty little car for the nasty, cold, rainy days when you don't want to get out of bed and put the leathers on.
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October 17th, 2012, 02:39 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Rick
Location: Napa, CA
Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2005 ZX6R, 2011 Sprint GT Posts: A lot.
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Yeah I used to be really into my car too, and now it's so dusty and covered in spiderwebs practically lol. I love this bike, but I go trough phases where I will prefer one or the other more.
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October 17th, 2012, 02:44 PM
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I hate driving...
Name: S
Location: SW Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.
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Haha I had thoughts of selling my bike for a BRZ since I wanted one so bad from the day the concept was announced. But I'll just get one next year sometime. I think the BRZ would be the kind of car to get me to drive it from time to time.
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October 17th, 2012, 02:52 PM
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ninjette.org guru
Name: Eric
Location: Concord, NC
Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 1976 CB550 Cafe, 2011 Ninja 250, 1999 Honda CR125 Posts: 264
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One of my neighbors has (maybe had, I think he might have traded it off already) a BRZ. I wasn't even sure what it was the first time I saw it, so I put the googles to work. Me likey.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:14 PM
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Are the BRZ/FRS any different at all? Like different suspension tune at all? Because I like them, I'm just wondering which one I should get once I graduate and get a big-boy job.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:25 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Scott
Location: Boston, MA
Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 56
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I believe the only differences in the two are that the BRZ has nicer options (GPS, leather, stereo, etc.) but nothing performance related. I'd stick with the Scion and save a few grand.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:27 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Rick
Location: Napa, CA
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You all know you're going to throw on coilovers anyways. I would go for the Toyoter personally.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:33 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Drew
Location: Florida
Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 194
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I am fairly certain that the FRS only comes in one trim. The only option you can pick is the color. Correct me if i am wrong.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:45 PM
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I hate driving...
Name: S
Location: SW Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.
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The FR-S's suspension is tuned for more oversteer whereas the BRZ is tuned to be more neutral. Other than that not much difference between them besides the cosmetics and interior. Scion offers a better incentive for graduates so I might end up with an FR-S over the BRZ, but I like the look of the BRZ more and its options.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:47 PM
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So, where's the reverse?
Name: Anson
Location: Ontario, Canada
Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.
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There is a difference in suspension between the FRS and BRZ. Toyota tuned their version to resemble a FWD car while the Subaru understeers more like their AWD cars.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:48 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Rick
Location: Napa, CA
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Nothing that can't be fixed with a new sway bar set.
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October 17th, 2012, 03:56 PM
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I hate driving...
Name: S
Location: SW Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.
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Neither of them understeers. There were maybe a couple reviews saying that but most say both are easy to get to oversteer. Every person that I've spoken with says they both are easy to get some oversteer. BRZ just needs a little more encouragement to get side ways.
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October 17th, 2012, 04:00 PM
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So, where's the reverse?
Name: Anson
Location: Ontario, Canada
Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.
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I have no first-hand experience driving either car so had to rely on what I read from Car and Driver.
"Go screaming into a turn or hop on the gas too early exiting one, and the Subaru simply understeers—perhaps for the benefit of drivers familiar with the brand’s all-wheel-drive products. The Scion uses softer springs and stiffer shocks, and it has a sensitivity to driver inputs that makes it feel alive. Too much or too little throttle upsets the Scion’s balance, sending the car into an easily controlled drift." ... and in Motor Trend. "the initial understeer that transitions gently and predictably to controllable oversteer" It might be one of those characteristics that only show up when the car is being pushed hard at the track. |
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October 17th, 2012, 04:10 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Casey
Location: West Virginia
Join Date: Jan 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Triumph Street Triple R, 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 55
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or...
You could go with Ken Block and switch to a Ford Fiesta lol
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October 17th, 2012, 04:18 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the only thing Ken Block's Fiesta shares with a real Fiesta is the outward appearance
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October 17th, 2012, 04:19 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Rick
Location: Napa, CA
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Yeah I think its 750 AWHP
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October 17th, 2012, 04:37 PM
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I hate driving...
Name: S
Location: SW Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.
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@Boom King I did say a couple reviews. What you wrote made it sound like all you get is understeer from the Subiyota and that's it. Obviously you want some understeer else you end up with some tail happy car that's a PITA. Different reviews and different people YMMV.
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October 17th, 2012, 04:51 PM
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So, where's the reverse?
Name: Anson
Location: Ontario, Canada
Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.
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I agree some initial understeer isn't that bad and it does seem that it's easily correctable. I just remember reading reviews a while ago and noted that understeer was a common theme in more than a couple of reviews. Here's a few others...
Road and Track. "...and its neutral to slight understeering attitude." 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited vs. Route Napoléon "It will understeer if thrown too quickly into a turn, but a lift of the throttle tucks the nose back in line." Autoguide "Subaru has used softer spring rates and firmer dampers, the result being a car that has a touch of turn-in understeer." I wasn't surprised at this if Subaru's goal was to tune the suspension to give it a feel similar to their AWD cars which have the slight understeer feel on turn in. It makes sense since the Toyota designers decided at the last minute to change the suspension setup on the FR-S from the initial Subaru design. |
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October 17th, 2012, 06:46 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jono
Location: Memphis, TN
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Looks fun!
 But I probably won't ever buy a new vehicle. Used it the way to go. And when you start looking at used cars, well, the S2000 is better than the BRZ/FRS.  I'd even get a MX-5 before I bought a FR-S/BRZ.  Drop-tops are just that much more fun! |
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October 17th, 2012, 06:57 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Scott
Location: Boston, MA
Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 56
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I've owned 5 Miatas and 1 S2000 in my life and would probably agree with you but I have to say, the Subaru/Scion is pretty ****ing sweet. And if you live in a place that gets cold in the winter, it may be a really tough choice. Has anyone here actually driven one yet?
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October 17th, 2012, 07:00 PM
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I would never buy a convertible in NE Ohio. Just saying. Not to mention, the car is my place to not have symptoms of riding a motorcycle (like sunburn, sweat, and general wind-deafness) when I don't want to. I don't want a soft-top. Sure they look sexy, but that S2000 would be perfect if it was a coupe instead of a roadster. Prolly be stiffer too...
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October 17th, 2012, 07:06 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Scott
Location: Boston, MA
Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 56
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Yeah, I used to live in South Florida so it was never an issue there. They make removable hardtops for the S2000 but I've always thought that would be a huge pain in the ass when the weather got nice and you needed to store it somewhere.
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October 17th, 2012, 08:14 PM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Jono
Location: Memphis, TN
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I'm jealous!! I hope to someday own a S2000 or Miata. And I can see why folks in the north would not be as likely to own a convertible. But here in the south there are plenty of days for topless fun! I went and looked at the FR-S in person when it first came out. But I haven't driven one. I figured no dealership would let an almost 21 year old take one for a spin. Haha. But the one I looked at in front of the dealership disgusted me. It was an automatic!! Shame! One reason why the S2000 will always be better than the BRZ/FRS. It only came with a manual transmission. The only way a sports car should come. |
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October 18th, 2012, 04:43 AM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Scott
Location: Boston, MA
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Agreed, putting an automatic in any of those cars is ridiculous, I'll never understand who would want that. Personally, my favorite is the 1st gen Miata (early 90's). They are noticeably lighter and way easy to slide around corners. They don't have as much power as the later ones but it's not like even the new ones are fast, you buy these cars for the handling anyway. If you could find one of those in good shape, that would be a really fun and inexpensive ride. I kinda look at it as the closest car equivalent to the Ninjette.
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October 18th, 2012, 07:29 AM
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hates stupid people
Name: Mark
Location: Oklahoma City
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I used to be really into cars too. I've got a Genesis Coupe 3.8 that only my wife drives now because I prefer the bike. It was a personal choice for me though. I always wanted more power and speed and with a car, that's expensive. Bikes are faster for cheaper. I also feel more engaged on the bike. My car is manual because I love being active in the drive and the bike kinda amplifies that experience imo.....and Please don't buy a rear-wheel drive Subaru. Don't encourage them...
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October 18th, 2012, 08:05 AM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
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Yup! NA is my favorite as well. Then the NC's. I have never liked the looks of the NB. They just look weird, I think it's the front end. Idk. With a little love, the NA's can be such an awesome looking car.   
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October 18th, 2012, 08:08 AM
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ninjette.org certified postwhore
Name: Rick
Location: Napa, CA
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plus miatas have a huge aftermarket following, especially for F/I.
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October 18th, 2012, 01:29 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Chase
Location: California
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you make me wish I could ride that much more!
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October 18th, 2012, 02:39 PM
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ninjette.org member
Name: Scott
Location: Boston, MA
Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 56
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Kinda makes me miss mine but in here in Boston a Miata isn't much more practical than the Ninjette. Speaking of which, it's looking like winter storage isn't that far off. Sucks.
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