Motorcyclist dies after rescue workers drop car on him

[pmason718]

so so sad


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...cU9s2mNnnR6HEP

[ungluck]

that is ****ING HORRIBLE...video is intense...condolences to that families tragic loss

[Shaol1n Monk]

damn thats horrible! it was a ninjette too.
it looks like the rescue workers didnt check the e brake or if the car was in park cuz when they jack it up it just rolls forward off the jack! terrible mistake that cost a young man his life. that and a 70 year old woman behind the wheel of a car not following traffic laws.

condolences to his poor family.

i would also say this post is VERY motorcycle related and should be moved to another area. riders should see this and be reminded what we have to deal with on the roads.

[ungluck]

ebrake is in the rear..they jacked the rear up..the hydraulic lift they used wasnt secured under the car..it fell off...


****** ****** deal. what a tragedy

[ally99]

Damn. Heartbreaking. :-( Poor guy.

[jamesio]

gosh this is tragic

no offense to old people but elderly drivers make me extremely nervous for this very reason

[rockNroll]

A police source said both departments had put chocks in place, that kept the car from crushing him. They said he died of injuries from the crash.

[pmason718]

Originally Posted by rockNroll

A police source said both departments had put chocks in place, that kept the car from crushing him. They said he died of injuries from the crash.

Yep, but I'm not sure I believe that. I posted this b/c I saw the bike was a ninjette and wanted to make sure it wasn't anyone on here.

[Alex]

/moved to General.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by rockNroll

A police source said both departments had put chocks in place, that kept the car from crushing him.

I'm not sure if that source reviewed the video. The car clearly moved forward a foot or two when it came down, so if there were chocks in place they were insufficient to keep the car stable while lifting it.

Originally Posted by pmason718

I posted this b/c I saw the bike was a ninjette and wanted to make sure it wasn't anyone on here.

I wondered the same thing. Nobody has signed up using that first name in their profile, but sometimes people don't enter their name there.

[rockNroll]

They look like landscape timbers in the video, under the car, not actual wheel chocks at the wheels.

[austexjg]

That is truly a shame...

[Lou]

heart goes out to the family, whatch those intersections!!!

[Lil_Green_Demon]

RIP


This might offend someone but I'll post it any way:

Elderly people should not be allowed to drive...


Or if they truly still can, they should take another driver's test to see if they have the capabilities to handle a car at such an old age.

[KawiKid860]

I certainly hope that if I'm ever in an accident, the rescue workers are more competent than these excuses. That young man who had so much going for him is now dead because of the FDNY's incompetence. R.I.P. my heart goes out to his family and friends.

[Mazakawi]

She was later give a summons for failure to yield.

So all she gets is a ticket after she nearly killed a guy and as a result of them trying to save him from under her car he died?

Sounds fair to me.

R.I.P. Rider.

[Shaol1n Monk]

Originally Posted by Mazakawi

So all she gets is a ticket after she nearly killed a guy and as a result of them trying to save him from under her car he died?

Sounds fair to me.

R.I.P. Rider.

well according to the police and rescue workers (who i suspect are just trying to dodge a lawsuit) he died as a result of his injuries sustained during the initial crash.

now i believe the rescue workers incompetence is what killed this poor kid, but if they claim the above doesnt that make her guilty of vehicular manslaughter?

she should be tried for her negligent actions that inevitably cost someone their life, and the police/rescue workers should be sued for incompetence.
what good is a justice system that doesnt protect lives and punish those who take them. i dont care how old she is... JAIL

[Fly'in Ninja]

So sad...rip

[Zombiphone]

Well, before everyone villainizes the big evil fire department and their dirty, malicious cover up schemes- from another article about this incident:

The chaotic scene unfolded about 8:45 a.m. after Rampersaud, 21, smashed his bike into the Taurus, which turned in front of him on Loring Ave. at Forbell St.

The young man was wedged under the car and dragged almost 30 feet before the 70-year-old driver stopped, witnesses said.

"He was wiggling his hands like he wanted help," said witness Javanna Lewis, 25. "He was all broken up underneath. His legs were twisted."

You can take from that what you will. Terrible, terrible way to go. RIP indeed.

[rz3r0]

That's no way to go for any rider. RIP fellow nijette rider.

[Malicious Logic]

Hard to believe something like that happened. Watched the video and its just heart wrenching everytime I see the car roll forward and drop back down. Such a terrible way to go...

RIP

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Shaol1n Monk

well according to the police and rescue workers (who i suspect are just trying to dodge a lawsuit) he died as a result of his injuries sustained during the initial crash.

now i believe the rescue workers incompetence is what killed this poor kid, but if they claim the above doesnt that make her guilty of vehicular manslaughter?

she should be tried for her negligent actions that inevitably cost someone their life, and the police/rescue workers should be sued for incompetence.
what good is a justice system that doesnt protect lives and punish those who take them. i dont care how old she is... JAIL

The rescue workers screwed up for sure, but they aren't the cause of the accident. They were just trying to help the kid and things went bad. The kid would have still died if the firemen had stayed back at the firehouse. The old lady OTOH is the true criminal here. Once she pulled in front of him, it was a no-win situation.

You're right, she should be charged with vehicular manslaughter. She should have stopped the instant he hit her, but instead she rolled him under the car for 30 feet.

Be glad she at least got a ticket for failure to yield the right of way. Most of the time the cagers who cause these fatalities don't even get that much.

[LazyMaxy]

Where's the video? Can't seem to find it. Very sad. They say he had just went back to his home because he had forgotten something for school.

[Gurk]

I get so friggin angry when I see 70+ year olds driving. It takes literally 2 minutes for them to backoff their parking spots let alone react to something that takes place in split seconds. Irresponsible idiots.

[Mocha Man]

Wow... it's kind of hard to believe how uneducated (I'm just assuming, here) these paramedics/firemen were about cars

[kaiserz]

That's just sad.

[LazinCajun]

Ugh, that is sickening. RIP

[ally99]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. This privilege should be earned. Everyone, regardless of age, should have to prove their driving ability every time the DL is renewed whether through a clean driving record or by taking a driving test. Everyone in society feels entitled to the "right" to drive...that sense of entitlement is the foundation of the issue here. Most 70+ year olds would not pass another driving test.

[LoD575]

Sad incident.

I had an elderly female driver pull out of a church parking lot in front of me yesterday.
Threshold braking saved me from a crash.

[CThunder-blue]

RIP

Ditto on what Ally said.

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by KawiKid860

I certainly hope that if I'm ever in an accident, the rescue workers are more competent than these excuses.

Have you EVER worked an extrication? No, so be quiet and quit assuming the ESU and FDNY were incompetent. Extrications are very fluid situations, often without the luxury of time. It is SO easy to Monday morning quarterback what should or should not have been.


Depending on the status of the patient, you make the decisions between safety and speed. You can't have both, and you hardly have the luxury of time to decide which is better. If a car is on fire, I don't give a damn about possibly causing paralysis. If a patient is not breathing, I don't take the slower route to extricate them from a situation.

The FDNY was attempting to use airbags, which, while arguably "safer", are also slower than using spreaders. The ESU was using the spreaders. It's a compromise.


So honestly, before you or anyone else attempts to call the ESU or FDNY in this situation "incompetent", you need to be quiet and take part in a few extrications yourself. Until you've done an extrication, until you've lost a patient due to a mangled wreck, you have absolutely NO room to talk about what these guys did or why they did it.




The only person at fault here is the old bag who ran over the rider in the first place.

Originally Posted by rockNroll

They look like landscape timbers in the video, under the car, not actual wheel chocks at the wheels.

That's what chocks are in emergency services.

[azimmer11]

Thats whats up

[Linuss]

PS... here's a "better" video of the whole incident, from right after the accident until after the ambulance leaves.

Look at 4:55 when the car is dropped. It's clearly evident that the chocks are in place and the car doesn't drop all the way back down, and infact is still a decent ways above the riders head.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj00M...layer_embedded

[CThunder-blue]

I saw the car begin to roll forward maybe 2-4 inches, which is easily enough to make a car slide off an emergency jack. Is the spreader they were using designed to be used in jacking a car up? It would seem that the spreader collapsed just as the car moved. Is it designed to snap shut like that if it loses grip?

Edited after seeing Linuss's youtube video. It doesn't seem they could have done much except what they did. Using an airbag to lift it might have been the safer choice though. I feel sorry for the guy who was handling the spreader. I'm sure he feels terrible .

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

I saw the car begin to roll forward maybe 2-4 inches, which is easily enough to make a car slide off an emergency jack. Is the spreader they were using designed to be used in jacking a car up? It would seem that the spreader collapsed just as the car moved. Is it designed to snap shut like that if it loses grip?

The spreader didn't collapse/ shut. It lost it's center and leaned to one side, which brought the car straight down. The spreader is the same width before and after.


Trust me, a small car like that doesn't have enough weight to shut spreaders. Spreaders can usually spread around 25,000 pounds, and shuts with well over 5,000lbs.

[CThunder-blue]

OK, I see it better now. So that leads it back to improper placement of the spreader and that brings it back to the user's fault. I'm not condemning anyone. The guy did what he thought was best under the situation. It just turned out to be a bad choice.

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

OK, I see it better now. So that leads it back to improper placement of the spreader and that brings it back to the user's fault. I'm not condemning anyone. The guy did what he thought was best under the situation. It just turned out to be a bad choice.

Unfortunate =/= bad.


Using only one spreader, they chose the best place to put it: Not on a side, but at the rear, closest to the patient.

[CThunder-blue]

It's just my opinion

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

It's just my opinion

An opinion that's never been in such a situation

[Shaol1n Monk]

that second vid def shows alot more of what happened. the car didnt really roll forward at all, the spreader or jack they were using just gave out or slipped. idk the specifics of the device to know if it could have been improperly used or whatever, it does look like they are trying to get more wooden chocks under the sides of the car to hold it up but they dont get them under in time and the car drops.

either way you look at it the woman driver should be held accountable. if she followed the laws of the road and yeilded to traffic like she was supposed to the guy wuld not have been under her car in the first place. also, she dragged him 30 feet???