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Old March 27th, 2018, 08:43 AM   #41
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I have a non oring chain as well and regularly run 200 miles in a stint. I should lokk into an auto oiler as well.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 09:58 AM   #42
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Why a non-O-ring chain on a streetbike? What is the perceived advantage in performance, chain life, or something else?
Non-O-ring chains do spin with noticeably less friction than O-ring chains, which might give a slight performance advantage. Not sure if it would be noticeable on the street or not.

I have seen (somewhere...) dyno tests that show a significant increase in power transmitted to the rear wheel with just lubricating the chain.

Non-O-ring chains typically cost half as much and last half as long - but probably longer if you really attend to them.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 10:45 AM   #43
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Yeah, frees up some power, but only when you're at max-throttle would the extra power make a difference (otherwise on street bike, you can just open throttle more). Weight savings of a couple pounds also really only affects a race-bike.

All the guys I've talked to on track says their 415 lasts about 1-season before needing replacement. That's with regular cleaning and oiling, but the average load is much, much higher than a street-bike.

I prefer my 428 conversion with X-ring chain. Almost as much weight-savings as 415, but lasts much, much longer. Longer than stock even.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 10:50 AM   #44
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Why a non-O-ring chain on a streetbike? What is the perceived advantage in performance, chain life, or something else?
Why a non-"O"-ring chain on anything. I did something this past Spring I NEVER would have done in the past, I installed new sprockets on an "O" ring chain with 9,700 miles on it. There was no perceived wear on the sprockets and there is still none at 11,700 miles. I used to joke about "O" ring chains being junk - that's when I would change my entire chain/sprocket set at 18,000 miles. I no longer joke about "O" ring chains. I wouldn't be surprised to see 25-30,000 miles on the current chain and sprockets. I lube my chain every 235 miles.

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Old March 27th, 2018, 10:55 AM   #45
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this question has been thrown around quite often. granted o ring chains are great but they have drawbacks too. since i will be using motobriz oiler i don't think its a problem.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 10:56 AM   #46
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I think X-ring chains are happy medium in between!
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Old March 27th, 2018, 11:46 AM   #48
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Yeah, frees up some power, but only when you're at max-throttle would the extra power make a difference (otherwise on street bike, you can just open throttle more). Weight savings of a couple pounds also really only affects a race-bike.

All the guys I've talked to on track says their 415 lasts about 1-season before needing replacement. That's with regular cleaning and oiling, but the average load is much, much higher than a street-bike.

I prefer my 428 conversion with X-ring chain. Almost as much weight-savings as 415, but lasts much, much longer. Longer than stock even.
where did you get the 428 conversion package?
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Old March 27th, 2018, 01:11 PM   #49
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I have a non oring chain as well and regularly run 200 miles in a stint. I should lokk into an auto oiler as well.
i will do a install thread
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Old March 27th, 2018, 01:50 PM   #50
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this question has been thrown around quite often. granted o ring chains are great but they have drawbacks too. since i will be using motobriz oiler i don't think its a problem.
Oh yeah, retaining lubricant and needing minimal maintenance is such a downside for a streetbike.

sorry about the sarcasm. But you get my point. I get it though. It's the principle of making it great instead of stopping at good. Just gotta make sure you can experience proper feedback.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 02:02 PM   #51
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Old March 27th, 2018, 02:25 PM   #52
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I lube my chain every 235 miles.
There's an interesting interval.
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this question has been thrown around quite often. granted o ring chains are great but they have drawbacks too.
What are the drawbacks? Weight? Cost? I understand that racing chains that you're replacing every 100 track miles can eke out a fraction of a percent better performance by being lighter and perfectly oiled prior to hitting the track. I understand on dirtbikes the stresses on the chain are low enough and you're cleaning them often enough that dirt will get them before bad oiling does. While I don't mean to be intentionally dense, I just can't understand the benefits on a streetbike. Losing the internal oiling, and now relying on a secondary system that is bound to work OK at best, seems like something most people would pay to avoid, not to gravitate to.

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I think X-ring chains are happy medium in between!
Which are just cool-shaped O-rings with a snazzier name, right?
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There's an interesting interval.
That's when I hit reserve. I mistakenly said I hit reserve in a previous post at 135 miles - duh - senior moment. I also check oil level, coolant, lights and look for loose bolts.

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where did you get the 428 conversion package?
Sprocket Specialists. Info and part# here: http://www.rcramer.com/bikes/ex250/428.shtml
I run 18/59t sprockets to reduce chain-wrap angle as much as possible.
So far, I've gotten past 2-seasons from chain, about 70 track days total.
Changed it and flipped sprocket for this season.
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the day has arrived! motobriz install! oh no! i'm putting on a non o ring chain too!
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