Highway Riding

[Snake]

Here are some highway riding tips I have learned through the years. If you have more please post them and I will add to the list on the original post.

1. Do not follow to close to the vehicle in front of you. -
Following too close lessens your reaction time when an obstacle (tire tread from big rig, dead animal,etc.) passes underneath the vehicle in front of you.

2. Stay to the left or right of the lane never in the middle. -
For the same reason as in #1. Obstacles tend to be in the middle of the lane.

[Snake]

You can also ask a question about highway riding and through a discussion of past experience of myself and others we will come up with the best answer and add it to the list.

[rockNroll]

Always use your signals when changing lanes while riding a wheelie

[wvninja]

Originally Posted by rockNroll

Always use your signals when changing lanes while riding a wheelie

^^^^LOL ..

3) Never try to race the guy that keeps trying to get you to race.
This seems pretty straight forward. Seems like almost everytime I'm on the highway someone tries to race me (speed up slow down speed up slow down) right beside me as if edging me on to just floor it. Most of the time I ignore them but sometimes when I see a problem that could occur i speed up and lose them then resume normal speeds.
4) Always pass a simi in a lane position furthest from it so that your seen "better"
Moving to the side of the lane furthest from the truck not only allows you to see more around you and the vehicle your passing. You don't receive as much pull from the air passing around the truck and you are more visible to everyone around you.
5) Never sit to long beside a big truck or van on the highway.
Sometimes this cannot be avoided and in stop and go traffic it maybe less of a risk. I feel (as most prob) that sitting beside a big truck or van is uncomfortable and it would seem that you can easily fall into a blind spot and find yourself being pushed out of your lane.

[JeffM]

6) Try to use the far right lane for entering and exiting only.
Too many people flying around trying to get on and off the freeway.

[CThunder-blue]

7.) When lane splitting (where allowed):

Slow down and check ahead before beginning to lane split. Many times, when traffic slows down it's because someone up ahead is trying to merge into a lane in medium/heavy traffic.

Keep a steady pace and not much faster (maybe +5mph) than surrounding traffic.

Make sure you have a space to slip into in case of emergency.

[Bleak21]

8) If stuck in crawling or bumper to bumper traffic all around, follow a tractor trailer.
Since they drive manual too, they don't annoyingly fake you out by braking to the next car. Instead, like you the motorcyclist, they give it some gas and let the engine do its thing. Only at the very end do they use brakes, so you know when to actually stop.

Not to mention, they make great sunscreens in warmer weather or in glare if the position of the sun is right.

[tjkamper]

The CARPOOL/HOV lane allows motorcycles for a reason. USE IT!

[Bleak21]

Originally Posted by tjkamper

The CARPOOL/HOV lane allows motorcycles for a reason. USE IT!

Oh wow... I didn't know this. I've sat in traffic for 30+ minutes while an HOV lane was beside me. THANKS!

edit** I may never follow my tractor trailer tip again! lol

[Flashmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bleak21

Oh wow... I didn't know this. I've sat in traffic for 30+ minutes while an HOV lane was beside me. THANKS!

edit** I may never follow my tractor trailer tip again! lol

Will this vary from state to state? You may wanna look into that haha.

[JMcDonald]

9) Try to go slightly faster than traffic.

If you maintain speeds slightly faster than traffic, you pretty much only have to worry about what is between 11 and 1 O'clock. Also, especially on our bikes, you can stop much faster than you can accelerate at highway speeds. That means, if bad traffic is catching up to you or is surrounding you, it is much more difficult to quickly accelerate to get out of the way. Staying faster than traffic gives you that momentum to make those quick decisions. It also keeps soccer moms in their 6000lb SUVs off your butt.

I range from +5mph over the fastest traffic, to... more :P .

As far as Point 6), I would go even further and say stay in the leftmost lane possible (but only if going slightly faster). This keeps you from being surrounded by traffic and blending in. It also gives you one less point of threat. Of course, if you live in a city with several lanes on each side of the highway, and you will only be on for a mile, it might be an unnecessary headache (and risk) to try to get all the way over and back. But if you will be staying on there any length of time, I say stick to the left lane if traffic is anything more than leight.

[Bleak21]

Originally Posted by Flashmonkey

Will this vary from state to state? You may wanna look into that haha.

Actually I researched this a bit and it looks like a federal law in 1991 lets motorcyclists use HOV lanes in ALL states! @@@

Feds <3 motorcycles???

[Flashmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bleak21

Actually I researched this a bit and it looks like a federal law in 1991 lets motorcyclists use HOV lanes in ALL states! @@@

Feds <3 motorcycles???

Ah you lucky bastards! They don't let us use the HOV lanes up here

[CThunder-blue]

There are still many places that don't have HOV/ Carpool lanes tho. I don't think St Louis has any, but it's been a year since I've been back.

[Domagoj]

10) Always be aware of things behind you.
Even if you do go faster than most of other vehicles around you, there is a chance that someone is sitting on your tail. And when they do, they come very quickly. Move away and let them pass. You dont need someone so close to you at those speeds, because if it comes to hard braking, its you who gets creamed.

11) Beware of "forming" of jams.
Right lane usually gets stuck sooner, and you always have those wise guys who decide to go to left from standstill without checks or blinkers.

[tjkamper]

Originally Posted by Flashmonkey

Will this vary from state to state? You may wanna look into that haha.

This is from the DOT Website:

"Motorcycles are permitted by federal law to use HOV lanes, even with only one passenger. The rationale behind allowing motorcycles to use HOV lanes is that it is safer to keep two-wheeled vehicles moving than to have them travel in start-and-stop traffic conditions. States can choose to override this provision of federal law, if they determine that safety is at risk."

http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freewaymgmt/faq.htm

So the feds says yes. Check with the HighWay Patrol in your area to be curtain they have not overridden this law in curtain areas.

[Blackwidow]

great thread...thanks Rick!

[Snake]

Those are all great tips everyone. As soon as I can I will be adding some but not all to the original list. Some have some very good points but either they clash with exsisting laws or go against MSF training.

[JMcDonald]

Originally Posted by Domagoj

10) Always be aware of things behind you.
Even if you do go faster than most of other vehicles around you, there is a chance that someone is sitting on your tail. And when they do, they come very quickly. Move away and let them pass. You dont need someone so close to you at those speeds, because if it comes to hard braking, its you who gets creamed.

Ah, yeah I meant to clarify that I meant while there are fewer surprises if going faster than traffic, and this eliminates most from the rear, always keep an eye on traffic and such in all direction. Good call on my omission.

[Bleak21]

Hey all, I just wanted to confirm that the HOV thing is TRUE!!!! I tried it out for the first time today and was in the lane but got stopped by a cop near the end (the end was the geroge washington bridge). I gave him my license and registration as he asked but said "sir I don't mean to disrespect your authority, but a federal law [written in the early 90's] stipulates I can use HOV lanes". He went in his car, said a word to his partner who confidently shook his head, then handed me my stuff back and said have a nice day!

WOOOOOOOT!!! 30 minute commute to midtown in rush hour from now on!!!!

[SVBS]

Originally Posted by Bleak21

.... he asked but said "sir I don't mean to disrespect your authority, but a federal law [written in the early 90's] stipulates I can use HOV lanes". He went in his car, said a word to his partner who confidently shook his head, then handed me my stuff back and said have a nice day!

WOOOOOOOT!!! 30 minute commute to midtown in rush hour from now on!!!!

nice , show the copper who's boss

[caliente103]

Originally Posted by Bleak21

Hey all, I just wanted to confirm that the HOV thing is TRUE!!!! I tried it out for the first time today and was in the lane but got stopped by a cop near the end (the end was the geroge washington bridge). I gave him my license and registration as he asked but said "sir I don't mean to disrespect your authority, but a federal law [written in the early 90's] stipulates I can use HOV lanes". He went in his car, said a word to his partner who confidently shook his head, then handed me my stuff back and said have a nice day!

WOOOOOOOT!!! 30 minute commute to midtown in rush hour from now on!!!!

was it a NY cop or NJ cop
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[Bleak21]

oh sorry,

it was a port authority (neither) since it was at the gwb

[Cab305]

12) Wear clean underwear so you have a record of the days events.

[bluepoof]

13) If it's a long freeway trip, stop more often than you think you need to.
For all-day trips on the interstate, it' easy to fall into a zoned-out hypnotic trance as you pound mile after mile. Stop early and often for snacks, water (or refill a Camelbak), and to stretch/walk around. It'll keep you physically and mentally fresh.

[Snake]

Great tips everyone!

[Apex]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

9) Try to go slightly faster than traffic.

I range from +5mph over the fastest traffic, to... more :P .

I live in Houston, my bike doesn't go fast enough to do that.

[ninja3575]

Originally Posted by Snake

Here are some highway riding tips I have learned through the years. If you have more please post them and I will add to the list on the original post.

1. Do not follow to close to the vehicle in front of you. -
Following too close lessens your reaction time when an obstacle (tire tread from big rig, dead animal,etc.) passes underneath the vehicle in front of you.

2. Stay to the left or right of the lane never in the middle. -
For the same reason as in #1. Obstacles tend to be in the middle of the lane.

for that second tip... at least here in California, the motorcycle handbook says to stay in the middle unless there is some heavy oil stains.. then of course you would ride to the right or left of center... Otherwise when following a car... you give them the minimum 2 second lead and you follow in the MIDDLE of the lane since the car in front of you can see you best from the rear view mirror as opposed to the side view mirrors... Also, if you tend to stick to the left side of the lane that can potential lead to cars coming into your lane thinking theres room...

So basically, when riding, occupy that portion of the lane that makes you most visible to everyone... which is near the CENTER... and thats my

[tapdiggy]

Originally Posted by ninja3575

for that second tip... at least here in California, the motorcycle handbook says to stay in the middle unless there is some heavy oil stains.. then of course you would ride to the right or left of center... Otherwise when following a car... you give them the minimum 2 second lead and you follow in the MIDDLE of the lane since the car in front of you can see you best from the rear view mirror as opposed to the side view mirrors... Also, if you tend to stick to the left side of the lane that can potential lead to cars coming into your lane thinking theres room...

So basically, when riding, occupy that portion of the lane that makes you most visible to everyone... which is near the CENTER... and thats my

I think if you use enough following distance, the most visible place to ride is to the inside of whatever lane you are occupying. On highways that have much big rig traffic, the asphalt gets rutted and the middle of the lane is higher than the outer sub-lanes. That makes stability an issue, having to constantly balance on a hump.

[Snake]

Originally Posted by ninja3575

for that second tip... at least here in California, the motorcycle handbook says to stay in the middle unless there is some heavy oil stains.. then of course you would ride to the right or left of center... Otherwise when following a car... you give them the minimum 2 second lead and you follow in the MIDDLE of the lane since the car in front of you can see you best from the rear view mirror as opposed to the side view mirrors... Also, if you tend to stick to the left side of the lane that can potential lead to cars coming into your lane thinking theres room...

So basically, when riding, occupy that portion of the lane that makes you most visible to everyone... which is near the CENTER... and thats my

Very good points Jimmy. The rest of you please comment on this and I will change the tip accordingly.

[JMcDonald]

That is the first time I've ever seen anyone advocate riding in the center. I sure as hell won't be doing it, though. I can't stand not being able to see the road ahead. If you think someone is going to try to "share" your lane, then ride on the inside of that lane. That, or put your boot through their window when they try :P . But, being on the left side of the lane (assuming there is a left-side shoulder) gives you time to glide over (and requires you to only move a foot or two to avoid a collision, rather than several feet) if someone tries to pull in. I did have to go on the shoulder once when someone changed lanes without signaling when I was passing them. But I had intentionally moved to the opposite side of the lane when passing them, a set-up which made avoiding them that much easier. Had I been in the middle, it would have been a much closer call.

In almost 5000 city and in-city highway miles this season I have only ever once had someone pull out in front of me when I wasn't doing anything legally wrong. I was in the right lane of a 2&2-lane road, and there was a car ahead of me in the left lane. A left-turner from opposing traffic tried to turn behind the car ahead of me, almost taking me out. The thing is, I KNEW where I was riding was a dangerous place, but I was being lazy since I was turning right in a half mile. Never again.

Since then, it's all about seeing and being seen. In the MSF course, they show an example video of how riding to one side actually increases visibility to the driver in front of you. A LOT of this is because your headlight hits their mirror, whereas with most any truck or SUV it is too low to be seen in the interior rear-view mirror. If nothing else, you have to consider that relying on the rear-view mirror is not as safe because 1) vehicle's aren't technically required to have an interior rear-view mirror, and 2) again in many larger vehicles (and even a lot of smaller cars) they might barely be able to make out a section of your jacket and handlebars due to poor visibility in that mirror. In the side mirror they will be able to see much more, INCLUDING your headlight (which should be on bright during the day).



And following 2-seconds behind a car in the middle, good luck dodging that shattered chair in the road that pops out from under that car's bumper! Yeah, if you are robotically alert 100% of the time, I'm sure it would be fine. But we are all human and counting on one's own reaction time as the only saving grace, rather than taking advantage of simple environmental benefits to add to safety, is not a good idea. At least when riding on one side of the lane, you have at least one of two guarantees if an object ahead is directly in your path. First, the driver will swerve if he feels whatever is in the road will damage his tires, giving you a larger lead time to react. Or, second, his tires will hit the object, largely destroying it or moving it out of the way. I've seen these things happen on multiple occasions, and early on I've run over small things (like books and stuff) from absentmindedly riding in the center (even with 2 or more seconds behind).

Further, being on one side of the lane gives you an easy out should the car ahead quickly stop. This is not only to keep you from hitting that car, but more importantly it is you let you squeeze by while the car behind you skids into the exact location you would have found yourself.

Finally, even assuming the driver directly ahead can see you well in his rear-view mirror, nobody else can. The cars to his sides can't see you in any of their mirrors. The cars ahead of him can't see you in any of their mirrors. Remember, they can't see you if you can't see their faces in their mirrors. In heavy traffic I can look at the faces of people several cars ahead in their side mirrors.


The only time I am even momentarily in the center is when I am crossing to the other side of the lane to be seen. I am in the left side of the lane a good 95% of the time so I can see ahead and be seen by opposing left-turners (which, statistically, is the most common type of wreck between a car and motorcycle). However, if a car is trying to pull into traffic from the right side of the road, I will weave over there for a second or two to make sure they see I am there.

[bluepoof]

I always ride to the lefthand side of the lane, unless there's an obvious obstacle there. I was taught that in the MSF and it's worked very well for me over the years.

I firmly believe that it gives you more space in the lane and makes it easier for drivers to see you (when I'm in a car and a motorcyclist is behind me in the righthand part of the lane, it can be difficult for me to see him/her).

I've never before seen anyone advocate riding in the center, either.

Note that when I say "lefthand side", I mean pretty much behind the driver -- NOT over on the very lefthand lane divider stripe. I see people riding on the freeway sometimes that are so far to the left or right that they're basically in the driver's blind spots...wtf?

[Snake]

Thanks for the input. I think I will keep it as is.

[JMcDonald]

To me, riding behind the driver still puts you to the "inside" of their car, in which case they might still not be able to see you in the left side mirror. I often ride far enough to the left that I could reach my leg over and drag it on the center line if I wanted to. This again ensures I am quite visible to that driver, and gives me all the other advantages I mentioned.

I don't feel like you could be in their blindspot if you are still inside their lane and keeping an appropriate following distance. Even the most poorly-adjusted side mirrors will still allow the driver to see down the side of his or her car which, in my case, puts my headlight right in their vision.

But I am far more concerned about people turning across my lane from ahead, again in which case being to the outside of the car ahead makes me the most visible. I know that last bit is not really applicable to interstate riding, but still.

[revstriker]

Great thread.

I never ride in the center of a lane. I always ride on the left or the right of the lane depending on the situation. Too many issues with the center of the lane.

[bluepoof]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

To me, riding behind the driver still puts you to the "inside" of their car, in which case they might still not be able to see you in the left side mirror.

I checked on my ride today (admittedly not on the interstate, so my following distance was a bit closer than it would be on the highway) -- every time I rode behind a driver, I could see his face in both his rearview and lefthand sideview mirror. That means he could see me in both of those mirrors.

[nate-bama]

#3) Never try to race the guy that keeps trying to get you to race.
This seems pretty straight forward. Seems like almost everytime I'm on the highway someone tries to race me (speed up slow down speed up slow down) right beside me as if edging me on to just floor it. Most of the time I ignore them but sometimes when I see a problem that could occur i speed up and lose them then resume normal speeds.

most mininvans can beat a ninja on the high way lol

[JMcDonald]

Ive only ever had one car try to race me, and thats because i was already riding "with spirit" on my own :P. But yeah youd have a hard time outrunning most cars on the highway heh.

And yeah you are prolly right, blue. But like I said, being seen by the driver in front of me is not a large concern of mine. However, being seen by several cars ahead and, more importantly, several cars behind, is much more likely if you are positioned well to the side.
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[bluepoof]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

And yeah you are prolly right, blue. But like I said, being seen by the driver in front of me is not a large concern of mine. However, being seen by several cars ahead and, more importantly, several cars behind, is much more likely if you are positioned well to the side.

From what I can tell from what you've posted, you and I are in violent agreement.

[TrueFader]

i ride in the tire tracks so debris cant sneak up on me from under the car in front of me. also keeps me close to an escape route if needed.