Dog vs Motorcycle

Ralgha · April 21st, 2016, 07:22 AM

Check these lucky guys out:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Second view:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Slow down for animals, and don't follow your buddy too close!

DEFY · April 21st, 2016, 08:03 AM

Every time I watch it I concentrate on the guy who jumps out of the way of the tractor trailer. That second angle makes it look like he might have been already out of range, not that I would want to be skidding towards an 18 wheeler.

UFOmoplata · April 21st, 2016, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEFY

Every time I watch it I concentrate on the guy who jumps out of the way of the tractor trailer. That second angle makes it look like he might have been already out of range, not that I would want to be skidding towards an 18 wheeler.

Believe it or not, bobtail trucks are harder to stop on a whim like that because there's less weight on the drive wheels. But, in that situation not having the trailer saved both parties. Tractor/Trailer could've easily jack-knifed and take out the rest of the crew.

allanoue · April 21st, 2016, 01:46 PM

I don't think the dog lived.

chemist · April 28th, 2016, 07:58 AM

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread...e-been-avoided

Good insight on a crash situation

greg737 · April 28th, 2016, 08:21 AM

One item that goes either completely ignored or gets glossed over is that they were on a group ride. A group ride is like a formation flight for airplanes, it's a complicated and dynamic situation.

I flew in the Air Force for 20 years and whenever the flight profile included formation flight the mission planning session would include a special briefing that covered formation procedures. Flying in formation without briefing it beforehand (covering the procedures and safety issues) was forbidden.

In this particular article the writer does mention that if the lead rider had made an effort to signal the riders behind it might have helped.

CaliGrrl · April 28th, 2016, 08:36 AM

The group we ride with generally signals to riders behind them of hazards. I find it odd that the riders behind the ones braking didn't slow until things started crashing. There's a reason they hit the brakes.... it's like passing a car that's stopped in the lane next to you. We have had pedestrians get hit that way. One car stops to let them cross, and the car in the next lane over just blows past the stopped one.

Thanks for posting the analysis.

chemist · April 28th, 2016, 09:37 AM

That is a good point about group ride. Not something i do but it makes a lot of sense to point things out. Just like we do when we are riding as a group of bicyclists

Panda · April 28th, 2016, 09:47 AM

Holy crap. I didn't see the video the first time b/c of the warning about the dog but I watched it after reading the after action report.

Situational awareness issues aside this video is yet another reason why I'm a firm believer in ABS for street bikes.

Also, somebody needs to buy that trucker a beer.

cbinker · April 28th, 2016, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda

Holy crap. I didn't see the video the first time b/c of the warning about the dog but I watched it after reading the after action report.

Situational awareness issues aside this video is yet another reason why I'm a firm believer in ABS for street bikes.

Also, somebody needs to buy that trucker a beer.

abs would not have saved either rider. being on the brakes while hitting something will result in a crash.

Panda · April 28th, 2016, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

abs would not have saved either rider. being on the brakes while hitting something will result in a crash.

- abs will save you from tucking the front. not tucking the front keeps you upright and gives you options like swerving out of the way.

- an upright bike on the brakes decelerates faster than a bike on its side. the 2nd rider might not have had to crash at all.

cbinker · April 28th, 2016, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda

- abs will save you from tucking the front. not tucking the front keeps you upright and gives you options like swerving out of the way.

- an upright bike on the brakes decelerates faster than a bike on its side. the 2nd rider might not have had to crash at all.

yeah, if you don't collide with anything. like a dog or another bike, abs for the second rider would have resulted in him hitting the bike or rider.

Panda · April 28th, 2016, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

yeah, if you don't collide with anything. like a dog or another bike, abs for the second rider would have resulted in him hitting the bike or rider.

so your supposition is that despite reacting in time by hitting the brakes a bike with abs would decelerate slower than a bike sliding on its side.

allanoue · April 28th, 2016, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda

so your supposition is that despite reacting in time by hitting the brakes a bike with abs would decelerate slower than a bike sliding on its side.

Expert riders can decelerate faster without ABS but for the average person, ABS will help them stay upright and brake faster, barring stuff on the road knocking them down.

allanoue · April 28th, 2016, 01:45 PM

The people in the vid are not experts: maybe the truck driver.

VaFish · April 28th, 2016, 01:49 PM

Anyone else notice the R6 rider is carrying a Glock?

akima · April 28th, 2016, 04:26 PM

The "take away" comments from that article are fantastic:

Quote:

Situational awareness is 9/10ths of all accident avoidance.

Warn following riders of potential hazards

We say, “Watch where you’re going!” but the truth is, you’ll go where you’re looking. Whether it’s a dog or a motorcycle in your path, focus on the empty space around the hazard, not the hazard itself.

If there’s one safety skill that track days or racing can really help with, it’s hard braking leading into aggressive changes of direction. Watch any experienced racer go through a chicane and put one knee down and then half a second later have the other one down. You shouldn’t ride like that in traffic, but it’s sure nice to have that ability in your skill set when you need it.

If your bike has modern brakes and tires, you definitely don’t want to just grab the brake lever with four fingers and suddenly squeeze it.

In most panic braking situations, the best escape route is probably not a completely straight line. But finding an exit lane is only possible if you’ve been trained to look for gaps, not fixate on the hazard.

If you are upright and on the brakes, you can slow down a lot faster than a bike (or rider) that is just sliding down the road ahead of you. Many motorcyclists will at some point or another say, “I just had to lay it down.” That ex post facto rationalization makes them feel better, but situations in which you should actually just lock up a wheel and crash on purpose are vanishingly rare. Don’t embed that idea in your subconscious. Your default setting should always be to slow down and find that escape route.

toEleven · April 28th, 2016, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaFish

Anyone else notice the R6 rider is carrying a Glock?

Sure, but what's significant about that?

I personally think they have the least comfortable grip and worst stock sights of any polymer pistol I've ever touched, but I respect his right to carry whatever works for him.

chemist · April 28th, 2016, 06:08 PM

very good point akima!

The whole gist for me is situational awareness! Braking aside, had the rider anticipated the dog better, the situation would have been much "easier".

cbinker · April 28th, 2016, 10:45 PM

Had the second rider been paying attention and not following so closely, he would have no incident.

akima · April 29th, 2016, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist

The whole gist for me is situational awareness! Braking aside, had the rider anticipated the dog better, the situation would have been much "easier".

Agreed.

cadd · April 29th, 2016, 12:47 PM

The difference between following too close vs giving yourself ample room

Link to original page on YouTube.

Brother Michigan · April 29th, 2016, 01:04 PM

That makes me pucker just looking at it! Looks like he was only carrying about a second of following distance; definitely not a full two!

Omarel · June 13th, 2016, 11:58 AM

Main video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI9VDlwWF0Q

Angle 2: (Key angle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q6mRPP1_58

Part of me feels like that the dog shouldn't have brought the bike down. Was he too hard on the front brakes causing the highside?

Also, I think the formation is wrong and the guy from behind accelerated up way too close giving himself no time to brake.

The second guy put himself in even more danger with the oncoming Truck.

DEFY · June 13th, 2016, 12:01 PM

little late to the game, been discussed

/merged @Alex

Now where is that other discussion

Found it: 264465

Edit: This one is the same however more detailed to your original post request 265183

Omarel · June 13th, 2016, 12:33 PM

woops. Let's delete this one

NevadaWolf · June 13th, 2016, 01:51 PM

FYI @Omarel

If you type
[youtube]jI9VDlwWF0Q[/youtube]

You will embed the video like so:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Motofool · June 13th, 2016, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarel

.......Part of me feels like that the dog shouldn't have brought the bike down. Was he too hard on the front brakes causing the highside?

Also, I think the formation is wrong and the guy from behind accelerated up way too close giving himself no time to brake.

The second guy put himself in even more danger with the oncoming Truck.

The mistakes began when they decided going for a ride.

Alex · June 13th, 2016, 04:52 PM

/merged

Alex · June 13th, 2016, 04:54 PM

/merged again

SLOWn60 · June 13th, 2016, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

/merged again

�� Baby; do it to me one more time!��

Alex · June 13th, 2016, 06:11 PM

April 21st, 2016, 07:22 AM	#1
Ralgha ninjette.org sage Name: Kevin Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R, Tiger 800 XRT Posts: 828	Dog vs Motorcycle Check these lucky guys out: Link to original page on YouTube. Second view: Link to original page on YouTube. Slow down for animals, and don't follow your buddy too close!

April 21st, 2016, 08:03 AM	#2
DEFY ᗧ•••ᗣ•ᗣᗣ•••ᗣ Name: Nick Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R and 2014 Triumph 675R Posts: A lot.	Every time I watch it I concentrate on the guy who jumps out of the way of the tractor trailer. That second angle makes it look like he might have been already out of range, not that I would want to be skidding towards an 18 wheeler. __________________________________________________ Spoiler for topic: It might just be the [you] tag

April 21st, 2016, 01:46 PM	#4
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	I don't think the dog lived. __________________________________________________ Keep calm and ride on -Motofool Never quit on a rainy day -ally99

April 28th, 2016, 07:58 AM	#5
chemist ninjette.org member Name: Jonathan Location: tennessee Join Date: Mar 2015 Motorcycle(s): gsxr 600 2012 Posts: 120	crash analysis from revzilla http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread...e-been-avoided Good insight on a crash situation __________________________________________________ Motorcycles are stable, I am not. RELAX-Keith code
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April 28th, 2016, 08:21 AM	#6
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	One item that goes either completely ignored or gets glossed over is that they were on a group ride. A group ride is like a formation flight for airplanes, it's a complicated and dynamic situation. I flew in the Air Force for 20 years and whenever the flight profile included formation flight the mission planning session would include a special briefing that covered formation procedures. Flying in formation without briefing it beforehand (covering the procedures and safety issues) was forbidden. In this particular article the writer does mention that if the lead rider had made an effort to signal the riders behind it might have helped.
	2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

April 28th, 2016, 08:36 AM	#7
CaliGrrl ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kerry Location: Ventura, CA Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): Ninja650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '18, Apr '17, Apr '16	The group we ride with generally signals to riders behind them of hazards. I find it odd that the riders behind the ones braking didn't slow until things started crashing. There's a reason they hit the brakes.... it's like passing a car that's stopped in the lane next to you. We have had pedestrians get hit that way. One car stops to let them cross, and the car in the next lane over just blows past the stopped one. Thanks for posting the analysis.

April 28th, 2016, 09:37 AM	#8
chemist ninjette.org member Name: Jonathan Location: tennessee Join Date: Mar 2015 Motorcycle(s): gsxr 600 2012 Posts: 120	That is a good point about group ride. Not something i do but it makes a lot of sense to point things out. Just like we do when we are riding as a group of bicyclists __________________________________________________ Motorcycles are stable, I am not. RELAX-Keith code

April 28th, 2016, 09:47 AM	#9
Panda not an actual panda Name: dan Location: philadelphia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2009 CBR600RR (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Holy crap. I didn't see the video the first time b/c of the warning about the dog but I watched it after reading the after action report. Situational awareness issues aside this video is yet another reason why I'm a firm believer in ABS for street bikes. Also, somebody needs to buy that trucker a beer.

April 28th, 2016, 01:45 PM	#15
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	The people in the vid are not experts: maybe the truck driver. __________________________________________________ Keep calm and ride on -Motofool Never quit on a rainy day -ally99

April 28th, 2016, 01:49 PM	#16
VaFish ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Tom Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Jul 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2001 Ninja 250, 2019 Harley Ultra Classic, 2001 Suzuki SV650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '16	Anyone else notice the R6 rider is carrying a Glock?

April 28th, 2016, 06:08 PM	#19
chemist ninjette.org member Name: Jonathan Location: tennessee Join Date: Mar 2015 Motorcycle(s): gsxr 600 2012 Posts: 120	very good point akima! The whole gist for me is situational awareness! Braking aside, had the rider anticipated the dog better, the situation would have been much "easier". __________________________________________________ Motorcycles are stable, I am not. RELAX-Keith code

April 28th, 2016, 10:45 PM	#20
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	Had the second rider been paying attention and not following so closely, he would have no incident. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com
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April 29th, 2016, 12:47 PM	#22
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April 29th, 2016, 01:04 PM	#23
Brother Michigan ninjette.org sage Name: Aaron Location: Winder, GA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 718	That makes me pucker just looking at it! Looks like he was only carrying about a second of following distance; definitely not a full two! __________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: I generally have no idea what I'm talking about.

June 13th, 2016, 11:58 AM	#24
Omarel ninjette.org member Name: O Location: New Jersey Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: 96	Let's analyze this crash to gain insight. Main video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI9VDlwWF0Q Angle 2: (Key angle) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q6mRPP1_58 Part of me feels like that the dog shouldn't have brought the bike down. Was he too hard on the front brakes causing the highside? Also, I think the formation is wrong and the guy from behind accelerated up way too close giving himself no time to brake. The second guy put himself in even more danger with the oncoming Truck.

June 13th, 2016, 12:01 PM	#25
DEFY ᗧ•••ᗣ•ᗣᗣ•••ᗣ Name: Nick Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R and 2014 Triumph 675R Posts: A lot.	little late to the game, been discussed /merged @Alex Now where is that other discussion Found it: 264465 Edit: This one is the same however more detailed to your original post request 265183 __________________________________________________ Spoiler for topic: It might just be the [you] tag

June 13th, 2016, 12:33 PM	#26
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