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Old May 31st, 2019, 04:06 AM   #1
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Question NEW tires available in sizes for our 16" wheels?

I appreciate the wealth of experience that has gone into the FAQ at https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_t...fit_the_250%3F on tire models that will fit our classic first generation Ninjettes, but it hasn't been updated in 6 years.

Many of the tires recommended there have been discontinued (and I'm not fond of buying new old stock when it comes to tires.). Some of the tires are no longer available in our sizes.

It seems that some new tires have been released in our sizes, even a few that include an option for our front wheels and a few that aren't designed for heavy cruisers.

Can people share their experiences with newer tire options?

Is there a good thread or place that's compiled data updating the old FAQ that I've missed?

Is there a place with good motorcycle tire tests or reviews? Even for tires in our old, now outdated or rare, sizes? For car tires I like tirerack.com, tyrereviews, caranddriver, and consumerreports. I haven't found anything comparable for motorcycle tires yet.
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Old May 31st, 2019, 03:27 PM   #2
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Yeah, I agonised about this for couple weeks. Solved that issue by swapping in newgen rear-swingarm+shock and front-end along with 17" wheels.

Staying with 16", following are decent tyres:

100/80-16 = Shinko SR740, decent tyre, much better than originals
100/90-16 = Pirelli Sport Demon
110/90-16 = Bridgestone BT45, really good dual-compound tyre

130/80-16 = Shinko SR741, better than original tyres and in stock size too!
130/90-16 = Shinko 777, heavy-duty tyre
130/90-16 = Pirelli Sport Demon
139/90-16 = Bridgestone BT45, can't go wrong with this one.
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Old June 1st, 2019, 12:41 AM   #3
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Thank you.

The SR740, SR741 are original equipment tires on the Hyosung GT250 and widely derided by the GT250 riders, so I had hoped our OEM Dunlops might be a bit better, at a worse price. Then again I've seen repeatedly that original equipment car tires are reviewed much more poorly than tires that manufacturers don't choose to equip new cars with, even when those original equipment tires test well. I guess that we know our own individual preferences best. That and we feel more comfortable criticizing tires chosen by the manufacturers' engineers and accountants and less comfortable criticizing tires we choose as harshly. It's good to hear the SR740/SR741 aren't too bad for the price given our more limited options.

The richer tire options was the only thing (and how the bike's frame fit my 6 foot frame) I miss about the GT250 that I left in Seattle. Don't judge me too harshly; it was free. Rather the price was taking it away on a trailer, a pretty fair price for a Hyosung. I got it running but could never get it to run as well as our Ninjas. I was tempted when I saw the write up on the 17" wheel conversation, but then I looked at the alternative of making do with the limited 16"options now and planning to pick up a very affordable used 300ABS or even a less aggressively discounted 400ABS or z400.

Does anyone have experience with any of Continental's newer tires, especially the TKV 11/12 or ContiGo?
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Old June 4th, 2019, 09:44 AM   #4
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Thank you.

The SR740, SR741 are original equipment tires on the Hyosung GT250 and widely derided by the GT250 riders, so I had hoped our OEM Dunlops might be a bit better, at a worse price. Then again I've seen repeatedly that original equipment car tires are reviewed much more poorly than tires that manufacturers don't choose to equip new cars with, even when those original equipment tires test well. I guess that we know our own individual preferences best. That and we feel more comfortable criticizing tires chosen by the manufacturers' engineers and accountants and less comfortable criticizing tires we choose as harshly. It's good to hear the SR740/SR741 aren't too bad for the price given our more limited options.
I would say that this has more to do with the abilities of these riders who are complaining. I used the 17" versions of SR740/741 on my street newgen after wearing out factory BT45 tyres. I'd say they are just as good for grip, just won't last as long. Have enough traction for stoppies and can easily let you grind kickstand bracket on one side and muffler on other. Which is going way, way faster than anyone should be riding on street safely.

I don't think you can go wrong with those tyres. I'm on my 4th set of Shinko radials on my CBR600RR. Shinko are made in the former Yokohama plants, so lots of experience in those tyres. Shinko 003 tyres are exact same as Yokohama 003, they didn't even bother to change model name! They're way more capable then most riders' demands on street.

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...13#post1001513
http://vfrworld.com/threads/shinko-t...-review.15098/ - also read 2nd UPDATE review 1/2-way down too
http://xjrider.com/viewtopic.php?t=6630
http://www.ex-500.com/15-suspension-...s/27122?page=1
https://www.bikebandit.com/tires-tub...e-tire/p/19582 - check out reviews

Here's video of some guys I've ridden with; we all love Shinko tyres.

Link to original page on YouTube.


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Old June 7th, 2019, 02:30 PM   #5
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Thank you.

Yeah, it must be people's typical complaining about OEM tires or an OEM specific version for Hyosung with longer wear.

The most common complaint was wet traction, but the larger 150/70-17 rear tire on a similar bike with a dry weight of 330 pounds could be partly to blame.

With the attractive price and your recommendation, I think I'll go with Shinko's 741 on the rear. I had wanted something grippier, but worried about creating a traction imbalance with the relatively new OEM Dunlop in front, and I can't afford to replace both tires at this time.
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Old July 5th, 2019, 09:04 AM   #6
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Question New Metzeler Roadtec 01 in our size, rear 130/90-16

Apparently Metzeler makes its newest sport touring tire, the Roadtec 01, in sizes for our bikes, 100/90-16 54H or 110/90-16 59V for the front and 130/90-16 67V for the rear. Unfortunately I can't find anyone who sells out size for the rear in the US. It is on their website at https://www.metzeler.com/en-us/produ...res/roadtec-01 and in their pdf catalog or 'technical data book' with a product or IP code 3241800.

Has anyone found a way to get this tire in the US?

Has anyone used this tire on their classic Ninjette 1988-2007?

At least we can get the front tire in our size, but I currently need a rear.
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Old July 5th, 2019, 05:21 PM   #7
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This is World market now, you can get anything everywhere! https://www.ebay.com/itm/362618782967

One of my pre-gens came with those oversize tyres (Pirelli). It made bike really heavy-feeling with slow handling due to extra weight and more inertia from larger diameter. Really took all fun out of Ninjette as compared to my other exact bike with factory-sized tyres. When I wore those out, I put on factory-sized tyres on, 100/80-16 and 130/80-16
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Old July 6th, 2019, 08:44 AM   #8
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Similarly is a 120/80-16 rear tire more fun with less inertia and easier lean in?

I imagine putting 17" wheels and tires would really add spinning unsprung mass and seriously say the bike, even if they give a broader choice of new sport and sport touring tire technology.
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Old July 6th, 2019, 10:31 AM   #9
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If I may suggest, find your local area Metzeler dealer using their website which you posted, contact them for availability for the M1 in your required size would answer the availability question. If anyone can get them, they should be able. For all you know, they may even have em.

I'm currently running their M7RR on a couple of my rides, good stuff.
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Old July 6th, 2019, 03:15 PM   #10
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Thanks. I called all 5 official (on Metzeler's website dealer finder) Metzeler dealers anywhere nearby. None of them could get it. I called a couple of their distributers and they said they can't do special orders but they'd recommend getting this size to their buyers, when I pointed out how many 1988-2007 Ninjas are still on the road and that this would be the only good fit using technology that isn't 10 to 30 years old.

It seems that Danno's suggestion is the best, to order overseas at a higher cost, or get a different tire. I don't know if receiving a large parcel from Europe might require me to pay excise tax.
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Curious....odd that Metzeler own authorized dealers unable to provide.

I'd be compelled to jump rank and call their US headquarters, perhaps they can offer another domestic source. If not, I'd be curious to hear their explanation as to why their product is advertised, meanwhile proclaimed "unobtainable" by their dealer network.

Pirelli Tire LLC
100 Pirelli Drive Rome, Georgia 30161-7000
tel.:1-800-PIRELLI (800-747-3554) ;

Hey, an 800 number, not costing but little time. Some interest may prompt them into action, actually stocking their own, current, advertised product listed for the rare 16" size market.
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I don't know if receiving a large parcel from Europe might require me to pay excise tax.
Depends upon who's working customs desk that day. I've had international packages delivered to my door and an invoice mailed for import fees. In other cases, package was held at customs and I had to fetch at Oakland docks and pay fees before release. In yet other instances, package arrived on doorstep and no notice of any fees due ever showed up.

Not sure what relationship dealers have with manufacturers. I tried getting Dunlop Alpha-13 & 13-SP in 140/70-17 sizes as they were made in that size. The one and only single importer/dealer in U.S. market said flatly that no such size existed. At exact same time I'm on phone and looking at Dunlop website showing that size is made. And UK, Italian and Japanese sites had them for sale too! I suspect it's some of monopoly thing.

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Old July 11th, 2019, 08:20 AM   #13
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Import tires missing DOT codes and approval?

One helpful dealer pointed out that imported tires may not come with DOT codes and approval, making them illegal for street use in the US. My state requires an annual safety inspection in which the inspector is supposed to check the tires, so they, any police officer, or an accident investigator could take issue. I don't know if any other countries require US DOT codes. Some tires sold in other countries come from the same production batches with DOT codes, but a tire bought from another country may not have the codes.

Does anyone know of any other countries that require US DOT codes on tires sold there?
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Old July 11th, 2019, 09:10 AM   #14
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New ContiScoot: are 'performance' scooter tires really performance tires?

Continental has a new premium scooter tire with some loose connection to their latest ContiRoadAttack 3 sport touring tire. The Conti Scoot rear 120/80-16 tire is extremely affordable at less than $70 locally and less than $60 online. Continental talks it up (surprise) and refers to internal tests against two unspecified benchmark tires https://www.contimotousablog.com/con...-scooter-tire/ and one German online retailer ranks it highest among all maxi scooter tires https://bikereifen24.de/maxi-scooter...fen-test-2019/, but it's too new to find trustworthy reviews or tests. It will be interesting to see how this performs on our 16" wheel Ninjas.

Has anyone taken their Ninja to the track on sporty scooter tires? How have they performed? It concerns me that all the scooter tires in our sizes are only P speed rated for speeds up to 93mph. That's lower than the Q rating for car snow tires. I can stay below 93, but don't want to risk a blowout at lower high speeds or make my Ninja handle or feel like a fast scooter.
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