New 2012 but dies in neutral!

Kruger127 · March 20th, 2013, 06:35 PM

Hello everyone, ok so I did a bit of searching to see if anyone else might be experiencing the same problem as me or not.. but I saw some similar problems but nothing like mine.

I bought a 2012 Ninja 250r from a dealership with 2 miles on it. The day I bought her she was all warmed up and ready to ride. (I live in NJ and our weather here has been in the 40's).

Now this is where the problem begins.. I took her out 2 days later and pulled the choke down, turned her on and get her going... Soon enough the rpm's went above 2,000. I lowered the choke a little every time till she was idling around 1,000 to 1,100.... NOW I gave her a little gas and she just died. This happened a few times... It feels like a rough idle or kind of sluggish. The bike is brand new with less than 12 miles on it. I cannot for the life of me figure out what is happening. I called the dealer and he said to adjust the Idle a little higher which i did. But still when i give her some gas she just dies, unless i wait like 10 minutes of warming her up.

I did however take her out and in first gear she didn't quite pull... it was sluggish and felt like she was about to die and all of a sudden POWER and PULL! It's really hard to explain... I will bring her back to the dealer soon when the weather is a little better but wanted to know what I could possibly even do. I will have to ride her to the dealer so I don't want to have any incidents on the road...

Help? Please?

Thanks!

Motofool · March 20th, 2013, 07:16 PM

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_is..._at_startup%3F

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_is_carburetor_ice%3F

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_is...I_adjust_it%3F

Alex · March 20th, 2013, 08:17 PM

It probably just needs to be ridden. Leave the choke completely on, so it's revving at 3k or more. Engage first gear, and go for a ride. While in motion, start moving the choke down to fully off, but there's no rush. If it takes 3 - 5 minutes of riding, that's OK.

Odds are, there's nothing at all wrong with the bike.

outasight20 · March 20th, 2013, 08:22 PM

Sounds normal to me. Especially in colder temperature, these bikes like to be warmed up for a good 5 minutes with the choke on. If you're gonna ride off after a minute you'll need to keep the choke on until the engine comes up to normal operating temperature.

msebastian · March 20th, 2013, 08:40 PM

My bike did the same thing when I purchased it a couple months back. I just did what has been mentioned riding with the choke for a few and never had any problems once warmed up. Plus if you end up looking through your sight glass and it is foggy inside while the bike is warming up that will go away with the same procedures above.

tubarney · March 20th, 2013, 09:58 PM

Your the second person from NJ that has complained about this issue in the last month.

Alex is spot on.

sLick415 · March 20th, 2013, 10:07 PM

Definitely sounds like youre not letting the bike warm up enough. I usually ride the first 3-5mins at ~2k rpm idle, adjusting the choke as I go, then close the choke completely. That normally works for me at ~55F.

redsuns03 · March 20th, 2013, 10:40 PM

I used to have the similar problem and a friend is currently having this problem. It's mainly carb icing. The faq above explains in more detail and helps you prevent it from happening. it only takes 70 degrees Fahrenheit for the air to build ice (air flow temp not outside temp). Keeping your bike warm before riding helps.

YunMing · March 20th, 2013, 10:50 PM

Ride it like you stole it once you get a couple miles on it. Break in periods are important.

alex.s · March 20th, 2013, 11:56 PM

cold engine is cold

msebastian · March 21st, 2013, 04:03 AM

My bike sits in a cozy 72 degree garage and I still had this issue. Definently needs to be warmed up more before you release the choke fully.

Alex · March 21st, 2013, 06:52 AM

OP hasn't been back to the thread since initially posting the question; hope he finds his way back here.

LoD575 · March 21st, 2013, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

OP hasn't been back to the thread since initially posting the question; hope he finds his way back here.

Hopefully the OP does find his way back here.

A lot of useful information compiled in one location.

Kruger127 · March 21st, 2013, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

OP hasn't been back to the thread since initially posting the question; hope he finds his way back here.

Hahaha, I posted this last night before going to bed and now checking this during lunch, You guys are awesome. I was worried because this is the first time I bought a brand new bike and had this problem. My CBR is usually good to go within a minute or two with no choke.

The dealer has me all scared for breaking in the engine the right way and not letting the RPM's sit too high during idle. (I just checked the site for properly breaking in the engine and it doesn't sound anything like what the manual or what the dealer told me)

I'll try it out with the choke and see how she does.

Thank you once again!

Kruger127 · March 21st, 2013, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

It probably just needs to be ridden. Leave the choke completely on, so it's revving at 3k or more. Engage first gear, and go for a ride. While in motion, start moving the choke down to fully off, but there's no rush. If it takes 3 - 5 minutes of riding, that's OK.

Odds are, there's nothing at all wrong with the bike.

I did this the one time I took it to my campus and with the choke one the bike died at the light as soon as i gave it some gas before even releasing the clutch.

That's why I've been a bit worried. (note: the temp outside was around 40)

BRad704 · March 21st, 2013, 10:08 AM

I'm in the habit of starting on full choke while I finish putting on gloves, helmet, glasses, etc. by then, it's been a couple of minutes and I can take the choke down and ride. Haven't had any issues through the end of winter in Memphis. Hope you can figure out what you warm up process works best for you soon.

Enjoy the new ride!

vman1313 · March 21st, 2013, 10:16 AM

1 big reason I bought 300...and I dont even live in super cold place (GA) but choking your chic

...I mean...messing with the choke every time you wanna ride gets old after a while!

Just MY

lgk · March 21st, 2013, 10:46 AM

i started and rode off in 15F weather for a month before i installed the EFI kit.

i did rejet my bike before it got real cold though.

Kruger127 · March 27th, 2013, 03:41 PM

Thank you all! I ended up taking the bike to the dealer and they weren't able to find much they did replace the gas they gave me with the bike and flushed it, and we believe it was just the gas.

Now after 3-5 minutes of warmup in 45 degree weather I am able to ride off with the choke on for the first take off and then I'm good for the ride.

Thank you so much for all the help guys! (You're all awesome!)

LoD575 · March 27th, 2013, 03:45 PM

Glad it was figured out. Dealer seems to have taken care of you.

Kruger127 · March 27th, 2013, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoD575

Glad it was figured out. Dealer seems to have taken care of you.

Yup, they know that this is my first new bike so I was scared so they took care of me.

March 20th, 2013, 06:35 PM	#1
Kruger127 ninjette.org newbie Name: Kruger Location: Clifton, NJ Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r, 1995 Honda CBR 600 F3 Posts: 5	New 2012 but dies in neutral! Hello everyone, ok so I did a bit of searching to see if anyone else might be experiencing the same problem as me or not.. but I saw some similar problems but nothing like mine. I bought a 2012 Ninja 250r from a dealership with 2 miles on it. The day I bought her she was all warmed up and ready to ride. (I live in NJ and our weather here has been in the 40's). Now this is where the problem begins.. I took her out 2 days later and pulled the choke down, turned her on and get her going... Soon enough the rpm's went above 2,000. I lowered the choke a little every time till she was idling around 1,000 to 1,100.... NOW I gave her a little gas and she just died. This happened a few times... It feels like a rough idle or kind of sluggish. The bike is brand new with less than 12 miles on it. I cannot for the life of me figure out what is happening. I called the dealer and he said to adjust the Idle a little higher which i did. But still when i give her some gas she just dies, unless i wait like 10 minutes of warming her up. I did however take her out and in first gear she didn't quite pull... it was sluggish and felt like she was about to die and all of a sudden POWER and PULL! It's really hard to explain... I will bring her back to the dealer soon when the weather is a little better but wanted to know what I could possibly even do. I will have to ride her to the dealer so I don't want to have any incidents on the road... Help? Please? Thanks!

March 20th, 2013, 07:16 PM	#2
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March 20th, 2013, 08:17 PM	#3
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	It probably just needs to be ridden. Leave the choke completely on, so it's revving at 3k or more. Engage first gear, and go for a ride. While in motion, start moving the choke down to fully off, but there's no rush. If it takes 3 - 5 minutes of riding, that's OK. Odds are, there's nothing at all wrong with the bike. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 20th, 2013, 10:40 PM	#8
redsuns03 ninjette.org member Name: Rand Location: Gilbert, AZ Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Kawasaki Ninja 250r Posts: 37	I used to have the similar problem and a friend is currently having this problem. It's mainly carb icing. The faq above explains in more detail and helps you prevent it from happening. it only takes 70 degrees Fahrenheit for the air to build ice (air flow temp not outside temp). Keeping your bike warm before riding helps. __________________________________________________ Always gets stuck in the neighborhood gate like a bird in a cage

March 20th, 2013, 11:56 PM	#10
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	cold engine is cold __________________________________________________
	2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

March 20th, 2013, 08:22 PM	#4
outasight20 ninjette.org member Name: Weezy Location: Massachusetts Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2005 Yamaha FZ6 Posts: 169	Sounds normal to me. Especially in colder temperature, these bikes like to be warmed up for a good 5 minutes with the choke on. If you're gonna ride off after a minute you'll need to keep the choke on until the engine comes up to normal operating temperature.

March 20th, 2013, 08:40 PM	#5
msebastian ninjette.org guru Name: Michael Location: Dayton, Ohio Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 262	My bike did the same thing when I purchased it a couple months back. I just did what has been mentioned riding with the choke for a few and never had any problems once warmed up. Plus if you end up looking through your sight glass and it is foggy inside while the bike is warming up that will go away with the same procedures above.

March 20th, 2013, 09:58 PM	#6
tubarney ninjette.org sage Name: Brad Location: Sydney Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r 2010 SE Posts: 573	Your the second person from NJ that has complained about this issue in the last month. Alex is spot on.

March 20th, 2013, 10:07 PM	#7
sLick415 ninjette.org guru Name: Danny Location: San Francisco, CA Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 263	Definitely sounds like youre not letting the bike warm up enough. I usually ride the first 3-5mins at ~2k rpm idle, adjusting the choke as I go, then close the choke completely. That normally works for me at ~55F.

March 20th, 2013, 10:50 PM	#9
YunMing ninjette.org member Name: Alexander Location: Santa Rosa Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): (Sold) 2007 Red Ninja 250r, 2003 Cbr 600 F4i Posts: 137	Ride it like you stole it once you get a couple miles on it. Break in periods are important.

March 21st, 2013, 04:03 AM	#11
msebastian ninjette.org guru Name: Michael Location: Dayton, Ohio Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 262	My bike sits in a cozy 72 degree garage and I still had this issue. Definently needs to be warmed up more before you release the choke fully.

March 21st, 2013, 06:52 AM	#12
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	OP hasn't been back to the thread since initially posting the question; hope he finds his way back here. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 21st, 2013, 10:08 AM	#16
BRad704 Big Dreams, Small Wallet Name: Brad Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R (Sold), 93 VFR750F (In Pieces) Posts: 508	I'm in the habit of starting on full choke while I finish putting on gloves, helmet, glasses, etc. by then, it's been a couple of minutes and I can take the choke down and ride. Haven't had any issues through the end of winter in Memphis. Hope you can figure out what you warm up process works best for you soon. Enjoy the new ride! __________________________________________________ ~BRad

March 21st, 2013, 10:16 AM	#17
vman1313 ninjette.org sage Name: Tony Location: Buford, GA Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): '14 Honda NC700X; '14 Honda CRF250L; '07 Lifan 200 Posts: 623	1 big reason I bought 300...and I dont even live in super cold place (GA) but choking your chic...I mean...messing with the choke every time you wanna ride gets old after a while! Just MY __________________________________________________ www.northgariders.com NuBe4Life!!!

March 21st, 2013, 10:46 AM	#18
lgk ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.	i started and rode off in 15F weather for a month before i installed the EFI kit. i did rejet my bike before it got real cold though. __________________________________________________ Ethioknight Memorial Fund- Sticker sale http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111700

March 27th, 2013, 03:41 PM	#19
Kruger127 ninjette.org newbie Name: Kruger Location: Clifton, NJ Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r, 1995 Honda CBR 600 F3 Posts: 5	FIXED!! Thank you all! I ended up taking the bike to the dealer and they weren't able to find much they did replace the gas they gave me with the bike and flushed it, and we believe it was just the gas. Now after 3-5 minutes of warmup in 45 degree weather I am able to ride off with the choke on for the first take off and then I'm good for the ride. Thank you so much for all the help guys! (You're all awesome!)

March 27th, 2013, 03:45 PM	#20
LoD575 ninjette.org sage Name: Steve Location: Valdosta GA, US Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 2006 Ninja ZX6R-636 Posts: 661	Glad it was figured out. Dealer seems to have taken care of you.

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