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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:42 PM   #1
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Beginner Jacket Help

I'm going to purchase my bike tomorrow and am trying to get started on gear. I already picked out a helmet and gloves but I've been stuck on which jacket to get. I want one that is more suitable for the warmer months but still has some solid protection.
I narrowed it down to this one
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com...l.bok?no=12942
and this one
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...textile-jacket
both of which i really like.
Anybody have any advice and/or experience on either of these that could aid in my decision? Or any other jackets that you could recommend?

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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:00 PM   #2
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Go into a shop & try both on, see if the armour feels right in them, you want it just cupping around your elbow. shoulder armour is more adjustable, but different brands may have different arm lengths. try it on with your gloves too, to make sure you have a full range of motion.

Mesh trades abrasion resistance for lightness & airflow, I personally wouldn't consider it (but I don't live in a very hot climate)
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Maybe I will consider perforated leather. I just noticed that the price can get pretty steep (like that richa). $300 is really pushin my limits but I suppose if I can manage to find one that is within that range I'd go for it.
Hows about somethin like this
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...ry-Jacket.aspx
And are they tolerable even in pretty high temps? 90-100 degrees max.
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Here's a simple rule: The more you spend, the better the gear will perform. This applys for almost every brand, except Icon.
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Here's a simple rule: The more you spend, the better the gear will perform. This applys for almost every brand, except Icon.
This is simply not true. If I spend $1200 on a one piece Dianese racing suit that's too large for me, it won't protect me any better than my correctly sized mesh jacket and pants. Gear will perform best when it fits you correctly. And applys is not a word.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 06:43 AM   #8
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Nick and his great knowledge..again. lol
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This is simply not true. If I spend $1200 on a one piece Dianese racing suit that's too large for me....
Then to clarify: assuming that you're buying gear that actually fits you, the more you spend will generally result in more protection.
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Final decision
this one
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/a...leather-jacket
or this one
http://www.revzilla.com/product/tekn...leather-jacket
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Of those 2 the Teknic looks the better spec. Knox armour is great (their gloves apparently are not) the full way round zip means that with a set of leathers you should be track legal.

I'd switch out the spine protector to a Knox Aegis or similar (if & when funds allow)

However I'd make sure it fit right before buying it, find it in a shop & try it on there

Leather jackets should fit a little tight at first, they loosen up a bit once they're broken in
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This is simply not true. If I spend $1200 on a one piece Dianese racing suit that's too large for me, it won't protect me any better than my correctly sized mesh jacket and pants. Gear will perform best when it fits you correctly. And applys is not a word.
You're...um...nevermind.

Obviously you need proper fitting gear. That's common sense.
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Well perhaps you should leave it up to the original posters to pass on the relevant nuggets of wisdom
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Of those 2 the Teknic looks the better spec. Knox armour is great (their gloves apparently are not) the full way round zip means that with a set of leathers you should be track legal.

I'd switch out the spine protector to a Knox Aegis or similar (if & when funds allow)

However I'd make sure it fit right before buying it, find it in a shop & try it on there

Leather jackets should fit a little tight at first, they loosen up a bit once they're broken in
Alright I'll see if I can find it. Thanks for the input.
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It was completely relevant. You get what you pay for. Sometimes.
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Nick do you always have to have an answer for every post on here? Sometimes it is best to leave it to people that have experience in the topic, not just reading about it.
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You usually do get what you pay for, but that doesn't mean you need to go out and spend $2000 on high end gear. Any gear designed for motorcycles is better than no gear. You're dressing for that one crash, those two or three seconds sliding down the pavement bouncing your head off the ground and slamming your limbs into the concrete. You're gonna get hurt. Cheap gear will make it less painful for sure, expensive gear might make it even less painful, but you can be fairly sure it's gonna hurt.

I wear a Tour Master leather jacket with shoulder, elbow, and back armor, Scorpion pants with knee and hip armor, AGV gauntlet gloves, and an HJC helmet. Total cost: about $600. I'm still scared shitless of crashing, and wouldn't be any less scared wearing a full Dianese racing suit. I know I'll probably get hurt, so I use a special piece of protective equipment that I got for free from my parents...

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Here's a simple rule: The more you spend, the better the gear will perform. This applys for almost every brand, except Icon.
So what are you saying about Icon? The cheap ICON does a better job than the other expensive brand gear?
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Nick is pulling facts out of his arse. Get gear that fits you that you like and enjoy the ride.
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I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for providing a simplistic approach.
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Leather is hot, takes forever to dry if it gets wet, is very expensive and heavy, however it is more protective. This all said I HATE my leather jackets. I've enjoyed my textile much more, and haven't ever had to say "its too hot or cold to ride". At the end of the day personally I'd take a textile jacket for street riding over a leather any day. I bought this one last week and have done around 600-700 miles in it and love it. Of course you don't have to spend that much for a good textile jacket. This was my 1st motorcycle jacket, and it was a VERY nice jacket that served me well for 2 years and around 6000-7000 miles. I used it as hot as 100 degrees in a parking lot for MSF and as low as 37 degrees commuting and it performed well.

Personally don't think its the smartest idea to spend much more than $150 on your 1st jacket, simply because if you're a new rider you don't know what you want or need. I wouldn't want to spend $500 on a jacket that is too hot, or too cold, or has a racing cut/fit that's not comfortable etc and be stuck with that or squiding. While getting the most protection you can afford is a good thing, I also think getting something that's more versatile is important for the rider with only one jacket.
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37 degrees? you weren't cold?
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Nick is pulling facts out of his arse. Get gear that fits you that you like and enjoy the ride.
But doc, this guy on the Internet said my tank top was the best thing to ride in!

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37 degrees? you weren't cold?
Honestly - I've used my textile jacket with a liner down to 30 degrees and was perfectly fine. I've also used it without the liner up to about 85 degrees so far (as hot as it's been this spring...) and felt fine.

My hands at 30 degrees with vented gloves? Not so fine.
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The gloves may become an issue for me then... I'll have to reconsider.
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me being as smart as i think i am i got full leather jacket off of ebay rode in april in texas and thought i was going to die at all times also got stuck sitting in traffic for an hour with it on. i have a tourmaster intake that has 2 liners if its cold or raining it's a nice jacket in my opinion. and it's not to expinsive also i don't suggest getting a cheap jacket off ebay the zipper fell off after about 200 miles of using it

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When I saw beginner jacket I thought something inexpensive. I'm thinking about getting one of these until I can find something better.

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37 degrees? you weren't cold?
The liner that comes with it just blocks wind, which by itself isn't enough. I add a thermal shirt as a under layer which does a lot of good since theres no wind. As the other guy said, the problem was mainly in my hands and neck.

Matter of fact heres a crappy vlog I did about it :P
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The gloves may become an issue for me then... I'll have to reconsider.
If you're talking about leather gloves I do suggest getting some of those however. Generally I would say anything other than leather on your hands isn't protective at all, just make sure they're vented. Alpinestar has just released a bunch of 2012 replacements for a lot of their models, so you should be able to find a good price of older SP-2s or Octanes if you want a shorty. If not the Speed and strength Moment of Truth (1.0 or 2.0) gloves are pretty good and cheaper.
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If you're talking about leather gloves I do suggest getting some of those however. Generally I would say anything other than leather on your hands isn't protective at all, just make sure they're vented. Alpinestar has just released a bunch of 2012 replacements for a lot of their models, so you should be able to find a good price of older SP-2s or Octanes if you want a shorty. If not the Speed and strength Moment of Truth (1.0 or 2.0) gloves are pretty good and cheaper.
Gloves are the 3rd most important piece of kit after helmet & spine protector

27 bones in each hand, break enough of them & they'll never heal correctly. But honestly what do you really need your hands for...











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If you're talking about leather gloves I do suggest getting some of those however. Generally I would say anything other than leather on your hands isn't protective at all, just make sure they're vented. Alpinestar has just released a bunch of 2012 replacements for a lot of their models, so you should be able to find a good price of older SP-2s or Octanes if you want a shorty. If not the Speed and strength Moment of Truth (1.0 or 2.0) gloves are pretty good and cheaper.
Yeah i got perforated leather gloves. My concern is riding with them when it begins to get colder out.
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Gloves are the 3rd most important piece of kit after helmet & spine protector

27 bones in each hand, break enough of them & they'll never heal correctly. But honestly what do you really need your hands for...
Yeah I'll definitely have to look into investing in a good back protector. Money's depleting rapidly but I think I should be able to manage soon enough.
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yeah I'll do that. I can worry about that later though.
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Yeah I'll definitely have to look into investing in a good back protector. Money's depleting rapidly but I think I should be able to manage soon enough.
Knox Aegis is what I wear, it's reasonably priced, pretty comfortable & I trust it to do it's job



This is the cheapest place I've seen for one (Don't know what postage to the USA would be tho)

EDIT: Scratch that link, they're advertising it with the kid's size price, adult sizes are £99, same as everywhere else
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Yeah i got perforated leather gloves. My concern is riding with them when it begins to get colder out.
Heres what I suggest. Get summer gloves now. (it is about to be summer after all) and if you find yourself even needing winter gloves, take a look at these. However like I said, you're a new rider, don't spend all your money on stuff you might not even need or want. Your going to ride your bike in summer, thats a given. So worry about summer gear now and upgrade as you feel is needed.

Also another side note. I suggest getting A* gear a lot if you haven't noticed. Reason is because their stuff is protective, parts are replaceable and upgradeable and imo its the best gear out there.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Protector.aspx

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Chest-Pad.aspx

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...or-Insert.aspx

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...ction-Kit.aspx

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...est-Guard.aspx

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I don't know if you've bought one yet, but here's my experience with AGV Sport. I bought a pair of gloves that started to have quality issues within the first month. I contacted them when the issues got so bad that I couldn't wear the gloves about 2 months later. Although they seemed nice and whatnot on the phone, their response time was quite slow ("Email up photos and we'll call you back" turned into weeks). On top of all of that, the replacement gloves have begun to have the same issues. I don't know if my experience with them is the rule or the exception, but take it as you may.

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Leather is hot, takes forever to dry if it gets wet, is very expensive and heavy, however it is more protective. This all said I HATE my leather jackets. I've enjoyed my textile much more, and haven't ever had to say "its too hot or cold to ride". At the end of the day personally I'd take a textile jacket for street riding over a leather any day. I bought this one last week and have done around 600-700 miles in it and love it. Of course you don't have to spend that much for a good textile jacket. This was my 1st motorcycle jacket, and it was a VERY nice jacket that served me well for 2 years and around 6000-7000 miles. I used it as hot as 100 degrees in a parking lot for MSF and as low as 37 degrees commuting and it performed well.
How do you like that new A*s jacket? I've pretty much decided on that as my next jacket unless you talk you me out of it
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How do you like that new A*s jacket? I've pretty much decided on that as my next jacket unless you talk you me out of it
I like it so far. Only "problem" is the liner imo. While I don't expect much in terms of a liner when it comes to a summer jacket, the wind blocking liner actually tends to blow up the jacket allowing air the pass through easily. I did however buy this jacket for summer riding, so its a no **** issue for me.

The jacket fits me much better than the American cut I've been use to from brands like speed and strength, tour master and shift. While it might not have a few bells and whistles that other textile jackets might at its price point, I'm not put off at all due to the over all quality feel of the jacket. A few things I feel it could of had was a belt loop strap and the ability to open and close the vents so in the morning I could close off some of the air on the way to work. Again however, its a summer jacket.

This was my first Alpinestar jacket, and I have to say I really like the chest armor you don't find in many others. It makes me feel just that much safer when riding, and it doesn't make the jacket bulky like you would expect. I do plan to replace the back and chest armor with the upgrades (back, chest) when I save up a little more money. I think its also worth noting that this is one of the most comfortable jackets I've owned. The only jacket I've used that could hold a candle to it would be the SSgear Moment of truth mesh jacket I own that does have a better liner but less protection.

Over all very happy with this as a summer geared jacket. Looking forward to many more miles using it.


Heres my general gear setup I use for about everything atm.

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I like it so far. Only "problem" is the liner imo. While I don't expect much in terms of a liner when it comes to a summer jacket, the wind blocking liner actually tends to blow up the jacket allowing air the pass through easily. I did however buy this jacket for summer riding, so its a no **** issue for me.

The jacket fits me much better than the American cut I've been use to from brands like speed and strength, tour master and shift. While it might not have a few bells and whistles that other textile jackets might at its price point, I'm not put off at all due to the over all quality feel of the jacket. A few things I feel it could of had was a belt loop strap and the ability to open and close the vents so in the morning I could close off some of the air on the way to work. Again however, its a summer jacket.

This was my first Alpinestar jacket, and I have to say I really like the chest armor you don't find in many others. It makes me feel just that much safer when riding, and it doesn't make the jacket bulky like you would expect. I do plan to replace the back and chest armor with the upgrades (back, chest) when I save up a little more money. I think its also worth noting that this is one of the most comfortable jackets I've owned. The only jacket I've used that could hold a candle to it would be the SSgear Moment of truth mesh jacket I own that does have a better liner but less protection.

Over all very happy with this jacket as a summer style of jacket. Looking forward to many more miles using it.


Heres my general gear setup I use for about everything atm.

EXO 500 helmet
T-GP-R Jacket
2012 model SP2 gloves
Street cargo pants from A*
SMX-5 boots
Thanks for the well thought out response kind sir

Now I just have to save up some cash
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Old April 3rd, 2012, 05:50 PM   #40
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Knox Aegis is what I wear, it's reasonably priced, pretty comfortable & I trust it to do it's job



This is the cheapest place I've seen for one (Don't know what postage to the USA would be tho)

EDIT: Scratch that link, they're advertising it with the kid's size price, adult sizes are £99, same as everywhere else
Then would I still keep the little back cushion that comes with my jacket in there or is that ok to take out?

Also, I just got my jacket, the teknic (quick shipping), and the sleeves seem to fit well while holding my arms down at my side but the length of the jacket itself only comes down to about my waist in the front and just to my tailbone in the back. I know it's suppose to fit a little different but does that sound about right?
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